Yeah, Stennis definitely won the white vote in his race, and I don't think it was particularly close. as for Carter in that scenario, the white vote would be much closer, as you can tell by his under-performance compared to Stennis in most of the whitest areas of the state. Carter probably wins it somewhat narrowly though solely due to his nearly 30% margin of victory statewide.
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Yeah, Stennis definitely won the white vote in his race, and I don't think it was particularly close. as for Carter in that scenario, the white vote would be much closer, as you can tell by his under-performance compared to Stennis in most of the whitest areas of the state. Carter probably wins it somewhat narrowly though solely due to his nearly 30% margin of victory statewide.
I see. I might as well follow this up with another question. Which other Southern states in 1976 do you think Carter won white voters in? This was a question which was asked on Atlas previously. I'm pretty certain he won it in Georgia and Arkansas, and possibly in Tennessee, but I'm not sure otherwise.
I know this is a wiki infobox but it includes an election map as well so I think its appropriate for this thread as well
Pretty awesome tbh, I'd love to see more! Btw, did the United States lose Kansas and Missouri to the CSA?
Thank you and It did, Im not too sure of the back story yet but basically the British and French decided it would be in their best interest to help the Confederacy out and they helped the CSA overwhelm America to the point of America just wanting to do anything to end the war, so ended up giving the Confederacy its maximum desired extent, which included Kansas and Missouri of course
He definitely won the white vote in Georgia, Arkansas, and West Virginia (if it counts). Alabama, the Carolinas, and Tennessee are also plausible depending on black turnout.
The U.S. also gave up Washington D.C. to the Confeds, does that mean that the Confeds will try to claim themselves as the "True America"? Will there be a desire among both nations to conquer one another and unite America in their image? I imagine the North will want revenge at some point.
Oh no doubt, that's actually one of the things Fremont takes advantage of in his campaign, basically both claim to be the true America, saying the other one does not represent American values, but for that reason neither truly wishes to annex the other, but this competing idea of nationalism will lead to both sides being in a sort of cold war, for influence yes but more in an imperialist mindset, each one just constantly wanting more land then the other, right now Im thinking this leads to a union controlled Canada, as well as states in Africa and the pacific, while the Confederates focus on achieving the Golden Circle and maybe some African colonization.
The biggest domestic difference between the two is on equality, with the north becoming a nation which embraces equality in all its forms, wanting to spread it everywhere, which is another driver of the imperialism, it becomes to the point that rights are equal across the board for men and women of all races by the end of the century, this is because Fremont has so much influence and is able to campaign so well, plus his powerful and intelligent first lady showed how good for society an educated woman could be. The south on the other hand just gets more opressive over time, so not only are they in a power based cold war, they also hate each other to the point of wanting to be as different from one another a humanly possible.
Building upon my Rutherford Scenario, I've created clickable maps of the results by state for the presidential election, gubernatorial elections, and Senatorial elections. The maps can be found at these links:
1) https://createaclickablemap.com/map.php?id=76848&maplocation=&online=true" width="900" height="525" style="border: none/. (Presidential)
2) https://createaclickablemap.com/map.php?&id=77829&maplocation=false&online=true" width="900" height="525" style="border: none; (Senatorial)
3) https://createaclickablemap.com/map.php?&id=77830&maplocation=false&online=true" width="900" height="525" style="border: none; (Gubernatorial)
Also, this folder includes files with the results by congressional district and Senate seat, the results by Electoral Group, and the results by state, in regards to the white vs. non-white vote:
1) https://drive.google.com/open?id=1R2HmIuz5CjVxucxz9WGt6IgRXNOWmBIM
The maps are very similar to those on US Election Atlas, except that they do not include the overall results tables, nor do they include county-by-county results.
@Temeraire and @Tex Arkana, what do you think of the maps?
1) https://createaclickablemap.com/map.php?id=76848&maplocation=&online=true" width="900" height="525" style="border: none/. (Presidential)
2) https://createaclickablemap.com/map.php?&id=77829&maplocation=false&online=true" width="900" height="525" style="border: none; (Senatorial)
3) https://createaclickablemap.com/map.php?&id=77830&maplocation=false&online=true" width="900" height="525" style="border: none; (Gubernatorial)
Also, this folder includes files with the results by congressional district and Senate seat, the results by Electoral Group, and the results by state, in regards to the white vs. non-white vote:
1) https://drive.google.com/open?id=1R2HmIuz5CjVxucxz9WGt6IgRXNOWmBIM
The maps are very similar to those on US Election Atlas, except that they do not include the overall results tables, nor do they include county-by-county results.
@Temeraire and @Tex Arkana, what do you think of the maps?
So basically the USA are the good guys while the CSA are the bad guys? Pretty fascinating.
Here's another addition to the Rutherford Scenario. I've created a map showing my best guesses as to how the white vote by county would go in this scenario:
For reference, here's the original white vote by state map that I posted:
As I established previously, Rutherford wins the white vote in 39 states and D.C., carrying it in every non-Southern state except for Arizona, and in the Southern states of Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland, Oklahoma, Texas, and West Virginia (the South here including the former Confederate States, the Border States bar Missouri, and Oklahoma). As the county map makes clear (especially when compared to the actual results by county map: https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/novelas/images/e/ed/United_States_presidential_election_results_by_county,_2016_(plain).png/revision/latest?cb=20181010050544), Rutherford would not have won Arkansas, Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia without nonwhite voters. He would have suffered landslide losses in Alabama and Mississippi, while several other states (i.e. Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Nebraska, Texas, Oklahoma) would have been closer. The map, however, also displays the vast difference between Southern and Northern whites in this election. Leach wins Southern whites 53-47%, while Rutherford carries Northern whites 60-40%. He wins whites 64-36% in the Northeast, 59-41% in the Midwest, and 57-43% in the West.
Non-white voters handed Rutherford some major counties (i.e. Staten Island and Queens in New York; Essex in New Jersey; Lancaster and Dauphin in Pennsylvania; Hamilton in Ohio; DuPage and Kendall in Illinois; Waukesha in Wisconsin; Bexar, Dallas, Fort Bend, Harris, and El Paso in Texas; Orange, Riverside, and San Bernardino in California; Prince William and Virginia Beach in Virginia; Charleston and Richland in South Carolina; Orange, Osceola, Seminole, St. Lucie, and Manatee in Florida; Caddo and Jefferson in Louisiana; Fulton, Cobb, Chatham, and Richmond in Georgia; Hinds in Mississippi; Washoe in Nevada; Fayette in Kentucky; Sedgwick and Wyandotte in Kansas; Douglas in Nebraska; Oklahoma and Canadian in Oklahoma; Shelby in Tennessee; etc.) and pushed him over the 60% mark in California, Illinois, New Jersey, Ohio, Texas, and Wisconsin.
Overall, I think this map is relatively plausible. In some states, the county map is exactly the same, and Rutherford wins whites in every county in New England, Delaware, Alaska, and Hawaii. As always, comments are welcome.
For reference, here's the original white vote by state map that I posted:
Non-white voters handed Rutherford some major counties (i.e. Staten Island and Queens in New York; Essex in New Jersey; Lancaster and Dauphin in Pennsylvania; Hamilton in Ohio; DuPage and Kendall in Illinois; Waukesha in Wisconsin; Bexar, Dallas, Fort Bend, Harris, and El Paso in Texas; Orange, Riverside, and San Bernardino in California; Prince William and Virginia Beach in Virginia; Charleston and Richland in South Carolina; Orange, Osceola, Seminole, St. Lucie, and Manatee in Florida; Caddo and Jefferson in Louisiana; Fulton, Cobb, Chatham, and Richmond in Georgia; Hinds in Mississippi; Washoe in Nevada; Fayette in Kentucky; Sedgwick and Wyandotte in Kansas; Douglas in Nebraska; Oklahoma and Canadian in Oklahoma; Shelby in Tennessee; etc.) and pushed him over the 60% mark in California, Illinois, New Jersey, Ohio, Texas, and Wisconsin.
Overall, I think this map is relatively plausible. In some states, the county map is exactly the same, and Rutherford wins whites in every county in New England, Delaware, Alaska, and Hawaii. As always, comments are welcome.
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Here’s a literal fascist vs an unpopular moderate in 2016
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Don’t get triggered it’s just a joke....
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Who are the candidates?A literal communist versus a literal fascist in 1968.
The communist does way better than I expected.
none, I made them up.
Imagine an extremely annoyingly pro-Socialist/Soviet radical hippie pacifist professor from Berkeley versus the most racist authoritarian militaristic and dispicable man (who is likely a member of the KKK) in Alabama.
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