Nuclear matters trumps all other matters. The Royal Navy regained it's place as the "wooden walls" defending "the realm" through deterrence. The RAF had it's moment in the sun, in 1940, time to go back to the time honoured preference for the Senior Service. You know you'll be in safe hands with their hands on the tiller...
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Maybe in ussr could be useful in peacetime too given the terrain in Siberia
Another thought about a long range patrol fighter that can hunt down enemy MPA
Probably useful to ussr given their heavy reliance on subs , having no ship based aviation and extreme threat of MPA to their fleet
They can loiter long hours and be called once a MPA is encountered and can zoom in to dispatch it
Western MPA I doubt operated with fighter escorts , could be wrong though
Probably useful to ussr given their heavy reliance on subs , having no ship based aviation and extreme threat of MPA to their fleet
They can loiter long hours and be called once a MPA is encountered and can zoom in to dispatch it
Western MPA I doubt operated with fighter escorts , could be wrong though
That would neccessitate some increadibly long loiter time and range in combination with a fairly good top speed to catch up to the MPA if its detected a way out. Sovjet "Bastion" doctrine would be conductive to the development of such a plane but I still think the requirements are very steep. Maybe try to modify one of the fast strategic bombers? A Tu-22 or -160?
Otherwise know as the United States Air Force, Strategic Air Command.
And somehow HM government managed to bungle their navy, shatter much of their shipbuilding industry, and make generally crap decisions there.
How about a modified tu128 , loiter on low power but can engage more powerful engines when target is sighted also maybe with inflight refueling
Im realy not an expert on jet aircraft, so I didnt even now that plane existed until now
From what I can gather it should make for a decent candidate, though you might want even more than the ~3 hours of loitertime you get from the -128.Its also a pretty early design but in this role its realy not going to have to content with many air superior fighters or dogfight so that should be fine.
Could this also be used also as a dedicated antiAWACS aircraft?Im realy not an expert on jet aircraft, so I didnt even now that plane existed until now
Its also a pretty early design but in this role its realy not going to have to content with many air superior fighters or dogfight so that should be fine.
1 it is fast enough to catch them
2 It can carry the ARM which can be used against AWACS homing in on their radars
3 has enough endurance
Problem is if it’s the 70s , these tu128 would be easy meat for any defending F4s so possibly the Soviets can distract the F4s by mig21 s and then send in the fiddlers against the AWACS ?
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A point though, we didn't get our "Orion Battleship" Deep Space Deterrence Force so...
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So random question which came to mind with plenty of answers. Say a made up minor state in a previously quiet geographical neighborhood that is heating up (plenty of those) decides it needs to totally replace and overhaul its obsolete inventory of cold war Soviet/NATO types with new, but off the shelf existing designs which would be some decent platforms for this state to look towards? Assuming the following.
1) Nation does not want, or cannot afford the very latest cutting edge stuff, and does not want surplus airframes on their way to retirement with major airforces.
2) Nation does not want to cherry pick its purchases and would prefer to buy all their stuff from a single source, USA, EU, France, Russia, China, Sweden, Japan for examples. Furthermore said nation is on good enough terms with the east and west that it can buy designs from either without serious consequence.
3) Nation wants its new kit delivered in a timely manner without huge delay. Ten years is established as a baseline.
4) Nation is reasonably sized, with several large urban centers, coastline, and long land frontiers.
With this in mind which nation do you source from for the following categories?
Fighter
Light fighter, advanced trainer
General purpose utility helicopter
light helicopter
Patrol plane (Maritime or otherwise)
Cargo transports
UAV
I know its easy to just go with USA or China (Maybe Russia if you ignore goings on in their neighborhood) but c'mon have some sympathy for style points here people.
1) Nation does not want, or cannot afford the very latest cutting edge stuff, and does not want surplus airframes on their way to retirement with major airforces.
2) Nation does not want to cherry pick its purchases and would prefer to buy all their stuff from a single source, USA, EU, France, Russia, China, Sweden, Japan for examples. Furthermore said nation is on good enough terms with the east and west that it can buy designs from either without serious consequence.
3) Nation wants its new kit delivered in a timely manner without huge delay. Ten years is established as a baseline.
4) Nation is reasonably sized, with several large urban centers, coastline, and long land frontiers.
With this in mind which nation do you source from for the following categories?
Fighter
Light fighter, advanced trainer
General purpose utility helicopter
light helicopter
Patrol plane (Maritime or otherwise)
Cargo transports
UAV
I know its easy to just go with USA or China (Maybe Russia if you ignore goings on in their neighborhood) but c'mon have some sympathy for style points here people.
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The problem with not using one of those 3 is getting more than a single aircraft type on your list from the same source. You could for example go with a swedish Saab Gripen for the fighter role but would be more or less unable to procure anything else on the list from another swedish source.
The same would be true for many of the other "second tier" manufacturers like Turkey, Israel (both great for UAVs but not much else) or even France.
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As mentioned, the thought to get the entire air fleet from one source while avoiding the big three is unlikely to work. Generally you either go withhold one of those for commonality, or cherry pick from designs from all over and take your chances with smaller nations technical support (or your own).
So, in that vein I will break that part of the requirement and suggest one for a single category:
Alternatively you could go for the Italian Fiat.222 for similar STOL performance.
So, in that vein I will break that part of the requirement and suggest one for a single category:
Canada: DHC-5 Buffalo. Its hauling capacity is not as high as some (less than half a C-130). But it can take off from airfields that light bush aircraft would struggle with.
Alternatively you could go for the Italian Fiat.222 for similar STOL performance.
Plenty of bizjets with the potential to have a MP radar stuck on them.
Edit - Embraer could supply a fair number of the slots on the list.
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Fighter Saab Gripen Sweden
Light Fighter- Advanced Trained KAI T-50 Golden Eagle South Korea
Utility Helicopter Eurocopter Cougar (Stretched Puma) EU
Light Helicopter AugustaWestland Wildcat EU
Patrol Plane Kawasaki P1 Japan
Cargo Transport Kawasaki C2 Japan
UAV IAI Heron Israel
That may be, but modifying a business jet into a maritime patrol aircraft still requires years of development work. The Boeing P-8 Poseidon is based on the Boeing 737-800ERX and still took five years from its selection in 2004 to its first flight in 2009. The systems used in MPAs are not plug and play after all.
Nope:
The "Sea Sultan" Long Range Maritime Patrol Aircraft Joins The Pakistan Navy
On September 2, the Pakistan Navy launched their first new long-range maritime patrol aircraft, the "Sea Sultan", in Karachi, the Sindh province's center.
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Embraer R-99 - Wikipedia
As for the AEW mission, if you don't want to use a 145: