Ellis MacVey
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How could France come to be ruled by the Habsburgs and what would Hapsburg France look like?
Louis XIV was half Hapsburg and married to a Hapsburg. Have any of his sons survive and you get 75% Hapsburg on the French throne.How could France come to be ruled by the Habsburgs and what would Hapsburg France look like?
Bout to get real technical here but wouldn’t Le Grand Dauphin be half Habsburg, seeing as two of his four grandparents were Habsburgs?Louis XIV was half Hapsburg and married to a Hapsburg. Have any of his sons survive and you get 75% Hapsburg on the French throne.
When was salic law definitively established as a thing, vs what is the earliest that the Habsburgs could have tried to pull off a Habsburg on France vs a French King paranoid enough to result in a lot of dead princes. Maybe along with devastating internal conflict.You would need a massive civil war and a lot of dead princes.
The precedent was set turning the Hundred Years' War, and then reaffirmed after the French Wars of Religion. The problem is once the precedent was set, even if it was possible to change, every French prince with a chance for succession is going to do everything they could to prevent a change it that tradition. So in effect you would still need an extinction of the House of Capet.When was salic law definitively established as a thing, vs what is the earliest that the Habsburgs could have tried to pull off a Habsburg on France vs a French King paranoid enough to result in a lot of dead princes. Maybe along with devastating internal conflict.
Damn near impossible all of these things happening at the same moment in time, but hey, stranger things have happened yet.
So, would the French Habsburgs be called Les Habsbourgs?
AFAIK Matrilineal marriages aren’t really a thing. 99% of the time, offspring take the male name. Even in the rare cases where it did happen, it’s usually more of a merger than a complete dominance of the female’s name. For instance, Male Lorraine married to Female Habsburg became von Habsburg-Lorraine. But that is an uncommon occurrence.Is this possible via matrilineal marriage? So some junior Capetian prince marries matrilineally to a Habsburg princess, and their descendants are Habsburgs. Then when the main line of the French monarchy dies dies out, the Salic Law takes the Kingship through his line.
Louis XIV was 50% Hapsburg (LXIII + Anne of Austria) and married a Hapsburg. So his legal children are 75% Hapsburgs.Bout to get real technical here but wouldn’t Le Grand Dauphin be half Habsburg, seeing as two of his four grandparents were Habsburgs?
Right but his wife was only 50% Habsburg herself. So their children would also be 50% Habsburg. Idk I guess my main point here is that you could easily get a French king with more Habsburg ancestry than an otl son of Louis XIV and Maria Theresa.Louis XIV was 50% Hapsburg (LXIII + Anne of Austria) and married a Hapsburg. So his legal children are 75% Hapsburgs.
Louis XIV was 50% Hapsburg (LXIII + Anne of Austria) and married a Hapsburg. So his legal children are 75% Hapsburgs.
Of course, de jure the Bourbons were the “Bourbons” as long as the males fit the definition. In that sense they were more restrictive that the Hapsburgs or Romanovs who retained the family name even by the female lines.De facto sure. But de jure they are still 0% Habsburg. Genealogically Habsburg ancestry isn't a challenge at all.