AHC: North Korea-esque "rogue state" in Latin America

Whiteshore

Whiteshore

With a POD after 1945, come up with a scenario where a rogue state akin to North Korea in it's mixture of batshit insanity, oppressive government, and willingness to threathen it's neighbors with war is around in Latin America. Bonus points if said Latin American dictatorship has it's own nuclear weapons as well.

Note: Said regime does not need to be following some distortion of communism like OTL's DPRK, so crazy far-right ultra-nationalism can do for this rogue state's ideology
 

Masked Grizzly

Not sure whether it is possible with a post-1945 POD, though like the idea of such a crazy rogue state (via earlier PODs) in Latin American having access to both the Pacific and Atlantic (along with less likely even the Caribbean).

As for craziness and oppression, how about having such a rogue Latin American state believing in nonsense like the Latin (or European descended) New Man being indigenous to the Americas, while delegitimizing the indigenous status of actual pre-Columbus indigenous peoples and casting the latter as essentially originating from other side of the Bering Strait in East Asia or Siberia.
 
TimTurner

TimTurner

Masked Grizzly said:
Not sure whether it is possible with a post-1945 POD, though like the idea of such a crazy rogue state (via earlier PODs) in Latin American having access to both the Pacific and Atlantic (along with less likely even the Caribbean).

As for craziness and oppression, how about having such a rogue Latin American state believing in nonsense like the Latin (or European descended) New Man being indigenous to the Americas, while delegitimizing the indigenous status of actual pre-Columbus indigenous peoples and casting the latter as essentially originating from other side of the Bering Strait in East Asia or Siberia.
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Perhaps it could be an ATL Bolivia with the Atacama seacoast?
 
Clandango

Clandango

Hard with the geography. Both Koreas are basically islands,though the South doesn't go along with the Hermit State status the whole place used to have. For something like North Korea you need some questionable neighbors, some neighbors they have historical reasons for hating, and some idealogial ones. Including those that they consider their coethnics. Truly strange. Two countries made up of the same ethnicity, with very little in the way of foreignors for a thousand years, and they end up calling themselves Chosun (North Korea) and Hanguk (South Korea). Makes a guy think that after WWII we could have had Germany break into multiple pieces and, instead of them all being refered to as Direction Germany, we could have gotten Allemange, Low Saxony, Swabia, etc. Now, perhaps we start with a POD far earlier than this? Maybe have the Jesuit stick around longer in Paraguay (IOTL the Spaniards got rid of them. Part of a deal with the Portuguese enslaving the populace) and Huarni is even more entrenched than it is IOTL. Let them stay around until revolutions come, perhaps we- Ahhhh. While Paraguay is rather far from the ocean, perhaps we get some ridiculous revolts in the South of Brazil. Get some Fascists among the Italian populace. Again, pretty ridiculous though.
 
Whiteshore

Whiteshore

So, who do you think would a Latin American "North Korea" be bashing in their propaganda? The "neo-imperialists" in the United States?
 
Whiteshore

Whiteshore

TimTurner said:
Almost a given they slam the United States. The real question is, who else do they cast as a villain?
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Well, for example, a crazy Bolivia could denounce Chile and Paraguay "for taking our sacred lands" (I'm looking at you, War of the Pacific and the Chaco War).
 
TimTurner

TimTurner

Whiteshore said:
Well, for example, a crazy Bolivia could denounce Chile and Paraguay "for taking our sacred lands" (I'm looking at you, War of the Pacific and the Chaco War).
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True.
Another idea: Argentina and Chile never become separate independent countries, form a new independent country together, and become strongly anti-Brazil, -Paraguay, and -Peru. Communists or extreme right wing nationalists take over later.
 

CaliGuy

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Whiteshore said:
With a POD after 1945, come up with a scenario where a rogue state akin to North Korea in it's mixture of batshit insanity, oppressive government, and willingness to threathen it's neighbors with war is around in Latin America. Bonus points if said Latin American dictatorship has it's own nuclear weapons as well.

Note: Said regime does not need to be following some distortion of communism like OTL's DPRK, so crazy far-right ultra-nationalism can do for this rogue state's ideology
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What about a future Venezuelan leader doing some or all of this in an attempt to distract his people if the situation in his country doesn't significantly improve?

Also, for the record, while this is pre-1945, Paraguay in the 1860s and 1870 was actually an excellent example of a Latin American country which fits your AHC here.
 
Lenwe

Lenwe

Geograpically Chile it's ideal you could hace itbgo crazy with a Pinochet clinging to power as a absolut dictador so you could have a crazy right wing country almost con The amtipodes of north Corea, how you could make it work i'm not sure
 
Cheer

Cheer

You could always have Pinochet establish a lasting dynasty that gets progressively crazier. Or (pre-1900) there's always Paraguay. Just... Paraguay in general.
 

Falecius

Emperor Julian said:
Shining Path wins in Peru?
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That looks the closest to the challenge you can get. The Colombian FARC do not seem to me as having the seeds for the sort of drift North Korea had. It is however very hard to see how Sendero Luminoso can actually take over Peru and keep itself in power.
Another possibility is a longer lasting Argentinian Junta. Maybe they ramp up their rhetoric about the Falklands without actually going to war, but they engage in provocative actions that isolate them from the Western world, such as constant skirmishing with the RN in South Atlantic, wich greatly annoys the British but not the point of going to war over it. Perhaps they get involved in some shooting with Chile over some Patagonian acres of barren rocks, and manage to "win" the conflict resulting in shoring up the regime domestically enough that its increasingly nationalistic, paranoid and violent nature does not lead to immediate downfall. However, they hate the West for being colonialist/imperialist, they hate most the neighbours over silly territorial grudges, maybe they have some additional racial beef with Bolivia as well, they also hate the Eastern bloc and the Chinese for being, well. commies, they may come to hate the Vatican because it's not doing enough to stamp out Liberation Theolo. They develop some sort of Fascist craziness that devolves into progressively more deranged and totalitarian approaches. It's a low probaility path, but the junta IOTL showed major brutality and no small amount of lunacy anyway.
 

Falecius

Emperor Julian said:
Could Pinochet last if he got crazy enough that the US and U.K. Withdrew support?
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Probably not. Also, Chilean civil society was probably developed enough to stop him to go TOO lunatic and stay in power, esp. if USA/UK don't like him anymore. This is likely to be true in Argentina as well, so that my scenario above is not very likely.
 

Falecius

Also, perhaps Salvadoran or Guatemalan regimes? Or a lasting Somoza dynasty in Nicaragua? They were seriously nasty IOTL, but the USA had their backs pretty heavily IOTL. If you consider Haiti do be Latin America (technically it is) the Duvaliers resemble the Kims in some ways, except they were arguably worse. The challeng is still keeping them in power without the US falling on their heads like a ton of bricks.
 
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