AHC: Modern-Day Hunnic Ethnic group(s)

[GameBawesome]

Challenge: With a POD from 450s to 700s, make a group of Huns survive in either Europe, Eurasia, the Caucasus, or Asia. So, make a modern-day Hunnic Ethnicity, after Attila, either a small ethnic group, or a large nation of Hunnic People. Bonus points, for a modern-day Hunnic nation(s), and survival of Hunnic Language.

Also Note: Don't say Hungary.

 

[Germania09]

Well you do have the modern day Szekler ethnic group in Transylvania who historically have claimed descent from Attila’s Huns.

 

[Eparkhos]

The remains of the Hunnic Empire limp east into the Crimea, where they drive out the Goths and hole up in the mountains. They're able to survive first the various waves of Steppe Empires from the north by simply not living on the plains, and the Rhomans don't bother with them beyond dumping a few political exiles on them every so often. The Ottomans force them to pay tribute, but they are otherwise left alone. They manage to survive the Crimean Wars by acting as a neutral state, being subjugated into the USSR but coming out the other side still intact, but with many of the social problems of OTL Eastern Europe. To this day, the Khaganate of Hunnia persists as an impoverished and corrupt state, where upwards of a third of the population are alcoholics or drugies, and a third of all children born has FAS.

However, as the sea levels rise, for the first time since the Catalunian Plains, things are looking up for Hunnia. When the ocean overwhelms Southern Ukraine, it will leave Hunnia as an island, and one of the few island nations with enough farmland to sustain itself.

The future of the Black Sea is in the hands of the heirs of Attila.

 

[WilliamOfOckham]

The remains of the Hunnic Empire limp east into the Crimea, where they drive out the Goths and hole up in the mountains. They're able to survive first the various waves of Steppe Empires from the north by simply not living on the plains, and the Rhomans don't bother with them beyond dumping a few political exiles on them every so often. The Ottomans force them to pay tribute, but they are otherwise left alone. They manage to survive the Crimean Wars by acting as a neutral state, being subjugated into the USSR but coming out the other side still intact, but with many of the social problems of OTL Eastern Europe. To this day, the Khaganate of Hunnia persists as an impoverished and corrupt state, where upwards of a third of the population are alcoholics or drugies, and a third of all children born has FAS.

Setodocicide? Psychicide? In any case, butterfly dead.

 

[GeneralChang]

The remains of the Hunnic Empire limp east into the Crimea, where they drive out the Goths and hole up in the mountains. They're able to survive first the various waves of Steppe Empires from the north by simply not living on the plains, and the Rhomans don't bother with them beyond dumping a few political exiles on them every so often. The Ottomans force them to pay tribute, but they are otherwise left alone. They manage to survive the Crimean Wars by acting as a neutral state, being subjugated into the USSR but coming out the other side still intact, but with many of the social problems of OTL Eastern Europe. To this day, the Khaganate of Hunnia persists as an impoverished and corrupt state, where upwards of a third of the population are alcoholics or drugies, and a third of all children born has FAS.

However, as the sea levels rise, for the first time since the Catalunian Plains, things are looking up for Hunnia. When the ocean overwhelms Southern Ukraine, it will leave Hunnia as an island, and one of the few island nations with enough farmland to sustain itself.

The future of the Black Sea is in the hands of the heirs of Attila.

lol you rlly hate the huns hahaha

 

[Eparkhos]

lol you rlly hate the huns hahaha

No, I'm just a pessimist.

Setodocicide? Psychicide? In any case, butterfly dead.

I respectfully disagree with you.

 

[GeneralChang]

No, I'm just a pessimist.

I was just shitposting lol

 

[Mr_Fanboy]

We have no idea what the exact ethnic origin of the Huns was anyway - I vaguely remember suggestions that they could have been Magyars, Turks, or even Tungusic peoples, among others. We have no real surviving account of their language, which makes placing them difficult.

Point being, for all we know, this could very well be OTL.

 

[Jürgen]

We have no idea what the exact ethnic origin of the Huns was anyway - I vaguely remember suggestions that they could have been Magyars, Turks, or even Tungusic peoples, among others. We have no real surviving account of their language, which makes placing them difficult.

Point being, for all we know, this could very well be OTL.

Some believe the name Attila have a Gothic origin, if that’s the case, the Huns may have changed language from whatever their original language was to Gothic by Attila’s time.

 

[John7755 يوحنا]

Some believe the name Attila have a Gothic origin, if that’s the case, the Huns may have changed language from whatever their original language was to Gothic by Attila’s time.

Germanic mythos typically claim the Huns to have been a related group to the Goths. They apparently had close marriage ties, common kinship and frequented each other’s lands.

My opinion: The Huns were some sort of amalgam of Scythian-like peoples from the East and had intermingled greatly with the folk of the Pontic Steppe. Therein, within the Hunnic domains, for varied reasons, a more centralized Steppe Empire began to form. Germanic, Scythian, Magyar or other groups which did not join the innovating Huns, fled west or were destroyed. The same thing occurred with the rising of the Xiongnu empire in the east.

 

[Library of Alexandria]

Isn't that just Hungary? Weren't the Maygars closely related to Attila's guys?

 

[John7755 يوحنا]

Isn't that just Hungary? Weren't the Maygars closely related to Attila's guys?

The Magyars were possibly part of the Hunnic empire and horde, yes. Though, as has been discussed, the greatest evidence in terms of Hunnic relation, is to actually Germanic peoples and other Indo-European speakers if the Pontic Steppe.

 

[cmakk1012]

I respectfully disagree with you.

If you change the ethnic composition of the Crimea, you change the political balance of modern Ukraine and the Black Sea from that point on. Most notably, this would directly affect the Crimean Khanate, which would be ever so slightly different enough as to potentially pose less or more of a threat to Poland and other local states. From there, the butterflies grow. There’s no way anything like the USSR forms.