I'll be polite and say that we'll have to agree to disagree, especially when it comes to the U.S. being "christo-fascist".
Also, don't bring current politics into this.
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AHC: Keep Europe Religious
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Also, don't bring current politics into this.
This is current politics. Please take ALL such discussions to Chat.
There was actually a Christian socialist movement growing during the late 19th century and if they have more influence in the left wing politics then we might have a lot more Christians being socialist in Europe but as well as other places around the world
I think the influence the socialist movement had on the religious decline is overrated: In many western european countries people went to the church and voted communists and even in the USSR Christianity had some sort of liberty since Brezhnev (not very much, mind you). A 'christian' political movement could in fact do more harm than good, because it would make religious belief an identity marker in the ideological struggle.
Art Vandelay
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Given how strongly Christianity is associated with the political right, wouldn't Christian Socialism decrease the significance of Christianity as a political marker?
It depends on which churches and in which countries. I don't think all of this is as inevitable as some people think. The broader acceptance of these things came in part as a backlash to the extremes of Nazism. Butterfly away nazis and a lot of things that are viewed as abhorrent today in mainstream Western society are going to be tolerated at the very least.
Art Vandelay
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Indeed. So if socialism is expressly grounded in Christianity, that would prevent the church from being moving to the right, or at least severely blunt it
If something like Distributism became the main ideology among religious people(protestant & catholics alike) regardless of how much the clergy condemned and squirmed about it and secular people also started buying on it(since you can still support that socioeconomic system without being religious) wont that butterfly away the left-right as we know them? Like socialists vs conservatives and such
Without the ideology being explicity anti-clerical or anti-religious* and instead it being (at least initially) rooted on religious principles but still open enough that atheists & co can support it the divide would be more on who supports it and who opposes it because it undermines their authority and racial* positions
In short, christian-secular equalitarism vs traditional & racist authoritarism
That would prevent the divide from becoming religious
*Regardless of backslash from church authorities and their tendency to shoot themselves on the foot
*Assuming such ideology is egalitarist like OTL socialism
Without the ideology being explicity anti-clerical or anti-religious* and instead it being (at least initially) rooted on religious principles but still open enough that atheists & co can support it the divide would be more on who supports it and who opposes it because it undermines their authority and racial* positions
In short, christian-secular equalitarism vs traditional & racist authoritarism
That would prevent the divide from becoming religious
*Regardless of backslash from church authorities and their tendency to shoot themselves on the foot
*Assuming such ideology is egalitarist like OTL socialism
Great post about this topic mate 🤩🧉
Showing my views on it, I think that Christianity can survive with both left and right if Distributism throughout the 20th century.
I could see Christian socialism would boost Europe being more Christian as they would be still religious but with being Christian at the main center of it.