AHC: Form alternate/new ethnic groups of the world

[Albert.NovaEinstein]

Posthuman Citizens of the Solar System:

POD: Mediterranean becomes a major Civilization Hub around 4000BC and many rich Paleo-European(Pre Indo-European) and Indo-European civilizations are built in the super fertile Iberia, Gaul, Italy, Balkans, Anatolia and then spread to Levant and North Africa eventually connecting Egypt as well. This increases the region's prosperity and stability. Eventually they progress into Industrial and Scientific revolutions by 500BC and discover many secrets of Science as they crack Mind uploading and Space Colonization. By 1CE, everyone are Posthuman and Multi planetary.

Religion: None.

Ancestry: None but culturally from all the ethnic groups of the World.

Location: All over the Solar System in colonies and further expanding.

 

[riskyrofl]

Miṣrimans

With the conquest of Egypt in 1261 by Hulagu Khan's forces, the region was incorporated into the Mongol empire. In the following century, large amounts of Turco-Mongol peoples migrated throughout the Middle East and into Egypt, where they began to settle and mix with the local Arab population and form a unique identity, not quite Turco-Mongols and not quite Egyptians either. As Mongol control of the Middle East began to crumble, Turco-Mongols managed to maintain power in Egypt, forming the Ikhels Khanate in 1348. While most Miṣrimans would adopt Islam, some embraced Coptic Christianity, and a few even maintained their Tengri faith for many centuries.

By the 17th century, Arabic had lost its place as the dominant lingua franca in the Nile Valley, replace by Miṣric. After independence from Britain in 1951, the Republic of Miṣristan was established.

 

[Walle Ras]

This is one from an outline for a timeline I might do after Oberlin to Berlin is finished

Tsaphonim
POD: The Jews of the Carolingin Empire partially flee north into scandinavia instead of east to Poland, right before the influx of Christianity. To prevent Christian invasions, Judaism is adopted as the religion of the Norse, forming a hybrid Judeo-norse ethnicity known as the Tsaphonim.
Language: Tsaphonish, a fusion of Norse and Hebrew, is barely intelligible with Norse.
Ancestry: Jews and Norse
Religion: Judaism, previously Norse paganism and Judaism
Regions: Vinland(OTL Newfoundland), Scandinavia, Iceland, parts of the Midwest, parts of Israel
Culture: Nordic with a Jewish flair, think a combination of Norse and Ashkenazi culture.

 

[Walle Ras]

Posthuman Citizens of the Solar System:

POD: Mediterranean becomes a major Civilization Hub around 4000BC and many rich Paleo-European(Pre Indo-European) and Indo-European civilizations are built in the super fertile Iberia, Gaul, Italy, Balkans, Anatolia and then spread to Levant and North Africa eventually connecting Egypt as well. This increases the region's prosperity and stability. Eventually they progress into Industrial and Scientific revolutions by 500BC and discover many secrets of Science as they crack Mind uploading and Space Colonization. By 1CE, everyone are Posthuman and Multi planetary.

Religion: None.

Ancestry: None but culturally from all the ethnic groups of the World.

Location: All over the Solar System in colonies and further expanding.

What in heck did I just read...

 

[SealTheRealDeal]

Magyarese

Language: Dinka with a few Hungarian loan words

Ancestry: Dinka with negligible Hungarian admixture

Religion: folk Christianity.

Culture: The Magyaress stand out from those around them. Not ethnically or linguistically, but sociologically. Unlike the Dinka pastoralists they live amongst, they farm in a rigid three field system. They also have a much more hierarchical culture than those around them. They notably still have knights, though these refer exclusively to the second sons of lesser nobles who wander the countryside offering their martial services and higher education to anyone willing to shelter them for the night. They were the foundation of the Sudd Empire on account of their food production and military traditions.

Space: banks of the White Nile

origins: Hungarians serving in the Ottoman army in Egypt (OTL the source of the Mayarab people) mutinied and escaped south, ultimately settling amongst the Dinka.

 

[Sarufiyyun]

Jinetes

Language: Jinete, a Berber dialect infused with many Hispanicisms.
Ancestry: The descendants of Berbers who formed the core of the Muslim invasion only to betray their Arab masters decades later, infused with Hispano-Roman admixture.
Religion: Christianity
Culture: Southern European
Region: Traditionally Cerretanya and Baetica.

Although the Visigothic Kingdom quickly collapsed, it did not mean that there were not divisions within the Muslim expeditionary force led by Tariq ibn Ziyad. While the Arabs occupied the pleasant, warm, fertile estates in Baetica, the Berbers, recently converted to Islam, were forced to deal with establishing new homes in the more frigid, rugged terrain of northern Hispania. While superficially similar to their North African homelands, the Berbers especially those of the Zenata tribe wanted more for their effort. In addition, the Arab government continued to impose taxes on the newly Islamized Berbers. Enough was enough.

Otman ben Nesa, arranging a marriage alliance with Pelagius of Asturias, declared independence from the Umayyad Caliphate and received baptism. The news of the baptism did alienate many Berbers who were against the Umayyads policies towards them but were otherwise fervent Muslims; however Otman's baptism and the support of Pelagius convinced many surviving Goths and Hispano-Romans to overthrow the Umayyad Vali in Corduba. Eventually the Berbers who were otherwise opposed to Otman's conversion joined him in converting especially once news hit of Cordoba's fall. Otman became the first post-Islamic King of Spain. Many of the Gothic and Hispano-Roman estates were returned to their old owners but quite a few were granted to Otman's retinue, a symbol of thanks for their support.

 

[Harley Davidson]

Greco-Copts
Language: Hellenized Coptic
Ancestry: the average Greco-Coptic genome is 65% Coptic, 15% Mainland Greek, 10% Greek Islander, and 10% Cypriot
Religion: The Coptic branch of Greek Orthodoxy
Culture: a mix of Coptic and Greek

 

[Etruscan-enthusiast35]

Aigun

Language: New World Russian, Mandarin Chinese
Ancestry: Ethnic Chinese from Outer Manchuria, occasional Russian and Amerindian ancestry
Religion: Russian Orthodoxy, Han Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism
Culture: Chinese-Russian blend
Region: Alyaska, Kaskadiya

Following the Russian acquisition of Outer Manchuria, they would begin to ship off portions of the population to their new world colonies with the hopes of employing their skills as artisans to boost the economic output of their colonies in North America. These "Immigrants" would be set to work teaching their trades to Russian citizens, and then often being sent into the rural portions of the colonies to prepare the way for ethnic Russian settlement.

After the overthrow of the Romanov Dynasty in 1929, the colonies of Alyaska and Kaskadiya would break off from the mother country, initial as a single nation, but would peacefully separate a year later. the following 31 years would not see the situation for the Chinese descendants, referred to now as the Aigun, as they would face frequent discrimination and severe limitations on their rights, not being granted citizenship or the right to vote until 1960. Since then they have made great strides to better prove their worth as citizens of the two nations, with the First Aigun President of Kaskadiya being elected in 2005 and the current Alyaskan president being 1/4 Aigun.

 

[BavarianPhysicist]

Anglo-Mizrahi

Language: Levant English, Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic
Ancestry: Judean Jewish, Syriac, some Christian Arab and Greek originally. Heavily mix with the British colonialists in the Modern era
Religion: Anglican, Judean Catholic Church, Syriac Church, Secular Judaism and Irreligion. Not one has the majority
Culture: Levantine Christian with a trace of the old Jewish culture and fusion with the British Culture later.
Region: Mostly in Levant

Islam never originates in the Middle East and the the region remains Christian and Jewish. However, Jews of Judea increasingly convert to Catholic Christianity in the Antiquity and Middle Ages. Byzantine(Ruled by a Turkish dynasty later) rule in the Middle East ends in the Industrial era, and is replaced by the Christian states of Levant and Egypt. By this time the British Empire has risen and establishes rule in the entire Egypt and Levant, while the French take the erstwhile Byzantine Africa. British colonialists settle in Lebanon and Judea, eventually mixing heavily with the local Christian inhabitants, eventually giving rise to this Ethnicity. The Levant later becomes an integral member of the Commonwealth.

 

[Masked Grizzly]

Mavian (or Tanumian?)

Language: Arabic-Germanic with Arabic script (think Arabic-German analogue of Yiddish)
Ancestry: Largely descending from the Tanukhids after Valens resettles Queen Mavia and her Tanukhids in Moesia, only to end up migrating further into Eastern, Central and Western Europe.
Religion: Eastern Christianity (possibly the Church of the East) or a heretical Judized/Druse-like form of Christianity
Culture: Maviakeit (essentially an Arabic-derived equivlent of Yiddishkeit)

 

[Crazy Boris]

Serberians

Language: Serbian, Russian, Yakut

Ancestry: Mostly Serbian And Yakut, some smaller elements of Russian, Chuchki, and Yeniseian origin

Religion: almost entirely Eastern Orthodox, with a small population of shamanism followers

Location: The Russian Far East, especially in the areas of Yakutia and Irkutsk, with a majority in the Serberian Republic.

History: after the devastating defeat of the first Serbian war for independence in 1722, thousands of Serbs fled to Russia to escape Ottoman reprisals, where Peter the Great offered them land and payment of 50 rubles to help settle the untamed lands on the outskirts of the Russian Empire. The first Serbian settlers, accompanied by a Cossack guard, arrived in Irkutsk in 1726. A few stayed behind in the frontier town, but most ventured out to explore and settle in the wilderness. Most of them went northeast into Yakutia, seeking a fortune in fur trading. It was here that the Serberian people’s story began when Serbian fur trappers began marrying into Yakut families. By 1826, a century after the first Serbs came to Irkutsk nearly all their descendants had at least some native Siberian blood, and around 60% were actually more than 3/4 Siberian. In 1923, Lenin created the Serberian Autonomous Oblast out of southwestern parts of Yakutia, and upon the fall of the USSR, it became the Serberian Republic of the Russian Federation. Even as the Serberians became more genetically Siberian, they largely kept true to their Slavic roots, continuing to practice Orthodoxy and speak a dialect of Serbian that includes many Yakut and Russian Loan words. Their cuisine is a blend of traditional Serbian dishes like what their Balkan cousins enjoy but with Siberian ingredients, such as a version of Karađorđeva šnicla that substitutes reindeer meat for beef. Today’s Serberians live largely as their ancestors did, hunting for furs and herding deer, though in modern times, many have moved to other parts of Russia to search for different work.

 

[Arkenfolm]

Greco-Copts
Language: Hellenized Coptic
Ancestry: the average Greco-Coptic genome is 65% Coptic, 15% Mainland Greek, 10% Greek Islander, and 10% Cypriot
Religion: The Coptic branch of Greek Orthodoxy
Culture: a mix of Coptic and Greek

Isn't that just OTL in pre-Caliphate times?

 

[BavarianPhysicist]

Isn't that just OTL in pre-Caliphate times?

I don't think the Copts were that admixed with Greeks. Without the Caliphate, it would have happened in the later Centuries. But OTL, that wasn't the case.

 

[Arkenfolm]

I don't think the Copts were that admixed with Greeks. Without the Caliphate, it would have happened in the later Centuries. But OTL, that wasn't the case.

The existence of a large bilingual class in Roman Egypt suggests some admixture although IIRC North African populations are to this day similar to Antiquity since neither the Greeks nor Romans or even Arabs left much of a mark. Probably very hard to change that given the population density of Egypt versus other areas good for Greek settlement. But culturally the Copts and Greeks are extremely mixed. The Coptic language is full of Greek loanwords and written in a local Greek variant after all.

 

[Eparkhos]

Arabistani
Language: Arabistani (Iranian-Peninsular Arabic pidgin with some Himyar elements)
Ancestry: The descendants of Parthian and Iranian settlers that migrated into Yemen and the Hejaz in the early 7th Century and interbred with the local Arabic and Himyar populace
Religion: Reformed Zoroastrianism, Miaphysite Christianity
Culture: Fusion of Iranian, Parthian and Arabic with some Himyar, Coptic and Axumite elements
Region: Hejaz and Yemen

From my timeline IMPERATOR. Shahrbaraz pisses off Khosrau II and gets exiled to Yemen, after which he somewhat loses it and founds an independent empire centered in the ruins of the Himyarite Empire and fed by the conquest of the Hejazi city-states.

 

[Masked Grizzly]

Martanese (influenced by the following threads here and here)
Language: Martanese - essentially Maghrebi Arabic / Andalusian Arabic that has been Latinized to the point of roughly resembling something akin to Mozarabic and Maltese, though other regions (e.g. OTL Algeria, Tunisia and Libya) have drifted to form their own dialects of Martanese reflecting influances from other Romance languages (along with influances from Amazigh and surviving Punic languages).
Ancestry: Largely descending from Maghrebi Arabs, Amazigh and ATL Moriscos, along with Romance-speaking Crusaders / migrants.
Religion: Catholicism
Culture: Closer to Maltese in some respects though otherwise approximately similar to other Romance-speaking countries with Mozarabic, Morisco and Amazigh influences
OTL Regions: Greater Morocco (majority), Algeria (minority), Tunisia and Libya (minority)

 

[Teutonic_Thrash]

Khurasaniyya

Language(s): Persian, Arabic, some Berber languages
Ancestry: Iranian soldiers from Khurasan mixed with Berber, Arab, and African Latin women
Religion: Predominantly Sunni Islam, plus a small minority of Ibadi Muslims; all have trace elements of pre-Islamic religions from eastern Iran (Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Manichaeism, Judaism) though this manifests as a preponderance for messianic and millenarian movements
Culture: Overwhelmingly urban and militarily-inclined, though some have diversified into mercantile pursuits. Persian has remained their mother tongue. In appearance they are indistinguishable from their neighbours
Location: Urban Tunisia and Libya

 

[Sarufiyyun]

Jumhuriyyun

Language(s): Predominantly Egyptian Arabic (Masri) and Sa'idi Arabic with smaller groups of people, especially the older generations continue to correspond in French and other European languages spoken.
Ancestry: These are the descendants of Ali Bonaparte Pasha's army who liberated Egypt from Mameluke yoke and governed in the Ottoman Caliph's place. As the experiment that was Republican France was conquered by its enemies and turned into a monarchy, these were people now without a land and Egypt welcomed them wholeheartedly. Isolated by British blockades, each generation of Jumhuriyyun became assimilated to the point that most see their distant European ancestry as completely unimportant compared to their proud Egyptian heritage.
Religion: Predominantly Sunni Islam and Coptic Christian though there are Roman Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox and Jews among them.
Culture: Urban and cosmopolitan in their mindset. Focused in military and political affairs to a fault. Two centuries of intermarriage and isolation has made the Jumhuriyyun more or less indistinguishable from your average Egyptian but there are European influences, mostly in cuisine.
Location: Cairo and Alexandria

 

[Jürgen]

The Samogitians

Language: Traditional the Samogitians have spoken Franzh a language which have developed from a mix of the Picard, Wallon and Lothringian dialects of French, it has been heavily influenced by German and to lesser extent Baltic languages. While the language is still widely spoken, a significant minority have shifted to German as their first language. Franzh enjoy a strong literary tradition. Franzh is also not mutual intelligible with modern French.

Ancestry: French speakers from the Western HRE who settled on the frontier of the Teutonic Knights territory in the early to mid-14th century.

Territories with significant population: Samogitia, northern East Prussia and in the southern part of the Courland Peninsula. Their diaspora is common in much of the kingdom of Prussia and many colony settlements can be found in New East Prussia.

Population size: 800.000 people with 775.000 Living in the Kingdom of Prussia. Their population in Courland fell significant under Russian rule, and many assimilated into Baltic German communities.

Religion: The vast majority of the Samogitians are Lutherans, but a small minority are Reformed.

Culture: Beside their language there’s little which separate the Samogitians from their German speaking countrymen.

 

[The Militant Doberman]

Afro-Rusyn (also called, among other ethnonyms, “Black Hutsuls” & “Kamerukrainians”)

Language: Rusyn language mixed with elements of Belarusian, Fula and Ukrainian
Ancestry: Rusyn, Ukrainian, Belorussian and Fula/Bororo
Religion: Catholicism (majority), Orthodoxy Christianity & Sunni Islam (minority); Carpathian and African folk-beliefs also play a role in people’s lives
Culture: Carpatho-Rusyn culture adopted for Africa & mixed with elements of local Fula traditions/beliefs
Location: Adamawa region of Cameroon

POD: Stefan Szolc-Rogoziński doesn’t die in a traffic accident in 1896 and continues to promote the idea of establishing overseas Polish colonies; after WW1 the newly-reborn independent Polish nation is granted control over the formerly-German Kamerun colony.

As Warsaw promotes “Polandization” & settlement of ethnically Ukrainian & Belarusian lands by Polish osadnicy in the 1920s-1930s and runs into nationalist resistance movements the Polish government enacts a dual policy of both deporting troublesome populations to Africa as well as promoting the voluntary immigration of the Easter Slavs to the colony with promises of wealth & adventure.

The mountain-dwelling Carpathian Rusyn end up in the sparsely-populated Adamawa highlands of Kamerun, taking up sheep herding and cattle raising. Although the relations between the new Christian Slavic settlers and the local Muslim Fula people aren’t always peaceful, over the years there is intermarriage and cultural exchange between the two groups. Modern Afro-Rusyn have varying degree of “mulattoid” appearance; their national dress is akin to that of their Eastern European ancestors but adapted to the warmer African climate (i.e.: embroidered linen shirts and robes, the traditionally black-felt Kresania hat is made out of lighter materials and constructed more in the style of the Fulani hat, etc). The bartka-style axe/walking stick is still commonly used by Kamerukrainian shepherds in rural Adamawa.