A Britain of Panthers and Lions: House of Oldenburg Britain

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Valena

Valena

Funny thing with the genealogies I've drafted is that if TTL Beauclerks post 2nd Duke of St Albans intemarry with either FitzJames-de Vere or Earls of Waldegrave (or descendants of Earl of Rochford (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_FitzJames ) provided he followed the example of his big brother TTL and regained good standing of his half-sister the Queen and English titles, though the Ducal title is unlikely for him, but Earldom of Rochford is pretty possible) - the resulting person would be simultaneously descendant of Charles II, James II, Karl Ludwig I of Palatinate and Prince Rupert of Palatinate:)
 

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Valena said:
Funny thing with the genealogies I've drafted is that if TTL Beauclerks post 2nd Duke of St Albans intemarry with either FitzJames-de Vere or Earls of Waldegrave (or descendants of Earl of Rochford (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_FitzJames ) provided he followed the example of his big brother TTL and regained good standing of his half-sister the Queen and English titles, though the Ducal title is unlikely for him, but Earldom of Rochford is pretty possible) - the resulting person would be simultaneously descendant of Charles II, James II, Karl Ludwig I of Palatinate and Prince Rupert of Palatinate:)
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Oh wow aha
 
Valena

Valena

Re. Henry FitzJames, Earl of Rochford, I think it's him who may marry either Anne or Barbara Lennard, since he will not object to Catholic bride, either Ms Lennard is a prestigious one and comes with dowry, and Henry, like his sister the Countess of Waldegrave, may feel no need to convert (his brother did, but did so (and married into prominent protestant family) in order to hold the offices). Henry strikes me as much more obscure person, who will be content with just being minor presence at court and married a heiress.
 
Valena

Valena

VVD0D95 said:
Oh wow aha
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And this combination is pretty possible:)
Charles Beauclerk, Earl of Burford, married Frederica Susanna Schomberg in 1711 TTL.
In OTL her first male child was born 2 years post marriage (1713 TTL).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Waldegrave,_1st_Earl_Waldegrave This particular nephew of the Duke of Berwick has a daughter, Lady Henrietta Waldegrave (b.1717). She is pretty much of age as a bride for TTL 3rd Duke of St Albans born circa 1713-1714.
Which would make the issue of 3rd Duke descendants of Charles II in male line and descendants of James II, Karl Ludwig I and Prince Rupert in female line. Bastard Stuart inbreeding at its peak, LOL.
 

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Valena said:
Re. Henry FitzJames, Earl of Rochford, I think it's him who may marry either Anne or Barbara Lennard, since he will not object to Catholic bride, either Ms Lennard is a prestigious one and comes with dowry, and Henry, like his sister the Countess of Waldegrave, may feel no need to convert (his brother did, but did so (and married into prominent protestant family) in order to hold the offices). Henry strikes me as much more obscure person, who will be content with just being minor presence at court and married a heiress.
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For sure, I might have any of their children rise high though, for the fun of it aha

Valena said:
And this combination is pretty possible:)
Charles Beauclerk, Earl of Burford, married Frederica Susanna Schomberg in 1711 TTL.
In OTL her first male child was born 2 years post marriage (1713 TTL).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Waldegrave,_1st_Earl_Waldegrave This particular nephew of the Duke of Berwick has a daughter, Lady Henrietta Waldegrave (b.1717). She is pretty much of age as a bride for TTL 3rd Duke of St Albans born circa 1713-1714.
Which would make the issue of 3rd Duke descendants of Charles II in male line and descendants of James II, Karl Ludwig I and Prince Rupert in female line. Bastard Stuart inbreeding at its peak, LOL.
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Lol for suire
 
Valena

Valena

VVD0D95 said:
For sure, I might have any of their children rise high though, for the fun of it aha
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2nd Earl of Rochford and 17th Baron Dacre may be a prominent figure in his cousin's reign, yes (provided he converts following the example of his cousin Waldegrave or his uncle Berwick, since the Test Acts are not going away anywhere soon).
 

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Valena said:
And not too incestous as well - matches of 1st Duke and his Duchess and 2nd Duke and his are second cousin ones, while 3rd Duke and Lady Henrietta Waldegrave are third cousins:)
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Ohh that’s quire good
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Speaking of Cabinet members, let's not forget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sheffield,_1st_Duke_of_Buckingham_and_Normanby
Another relation of Queen Anne, by the way (married to her bastard half-sister Lady Catherine Darnley since 1705) and her personal favorite (likely to remain in his position in the reign of James III).
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as lord high chamberlain? Definitely
 
Valena

Valena

Oh, by the way, found an alternate candidate for TTL Duchess of Gloucester other than Lady Catherine Seymour:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrietta_Harley,_Countess_of_Oxford_and_Countess_Mortimer
Given that Henrietta Cavendish Holles is rich enough heiress to be considered for 2nd wife of George I (!) OTL, she would be a nice catch for third son of the Royal family (her father wouldn't be too keen on marrying her to Harley when there is a chance to catch a legit prince).
 

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Valena said:
Oh, by the way, found an alternate candidate for TTL Duchess of Gloucester other than Lady Catherine Seymour:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henrietta_Harley,_Countess_of_Oxford_and_Countess_Mortimer
Given that Henrietta Cavendish Holles is rich enough heiress to be considered for 2nd wife of George I (!) OTL, she would be a nice catch for third son of the Royal family (her father wouldn't be too keen on marrying her to Harley when there is a chance to catch a legit prince).
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Oh this is very true, and it does mean that Wyndham can still marry Catherine Seymour. And I do think that Holles would be definitely down for Gloucester.
 
Valena

Valena

Valena said:
(ATL) Anne Fitzroy (b.1691)
Isabella Fitzroy (b.1695)
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One of these ATL daughters of Duke of Grafton may be a nice candidacy for 2nd Earl Mortimer (only this title for Harley TTL, since the Earldom of Oxford of 2nd creation goes to Diana de Vere and her descendants TTL).
 

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Valena said:
One of these ATL daughters of Duke of Grafton may be a nice candidacy for 2nd Count of Mortimer (only this title for Harley TTL, since the Earldom of Oxford of 2nd creation goes to Diana de Vere and her descendants TTL).
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Definitely I think Isabella Fitzroy would be good and could ensure that Mortimer remains within Tory circles.
 
Valena

Valena

VVD0D95 said:
Definitely I think Isabella Fitzroy would be good and could ensure that Mortimer remains within Tory circles.
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In OTL Harley's son was fairly apolitical person. The only thing that changes is that the dowry for second daughter of the Duke would be smaller than what he got by marrying a rich heiress, and the Earl's collecting habits will drive him bancrupt earlier (in OTL he had to sell part of Henrietta's estates to pay his debts).
 
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