1976 Soviets occupied North America
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Well I need help with this world building, USSR at the end of WW2 was stronger the USA then in our world, also they developed the A Bomb First if that possable. In this setting the USSR N Rocket worked and giving the USSR Space Program to the superior boast.
LW
LW
This scenario can only be plausible if someone in the United States, or North America, invites in the Soviets. This is barely imaginable, I suppose. One side in a civil war, maybe?
kernals12
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The US had a much bigger nuclear arsenal than the Soviet Union up through the 1970s, I don't see any plausibly successful Communist invasion of the US.
Let us look at what Sliders did. Hmmm... replacing a statue of Lenin with Lincoln, making dollars red and having Krushnev on them... No, that isn't going to work. I say that the Soviets are going to want to set up a couple parties if this US is staying unified. Perhaps the Socialist, Communist, and a progressive Parties. The Democrats will stay around though be based on the Populism of Jackson, while Republicans get tied to Lincoln, Abolitionists, and Radical Republicans. This all really depends on if the Soviets want there to be a strong country or not.
I can't do the Sliders did, well for example of USSR North America controled TV would look like think Comrade Detective. In this world there would be a USSR version of SOSUS in the ocean, they would also in North America Stalinist Architecture.
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The sliders thing would be ASB, but the idea of the Soviet Union first taking over Korea, then Indochina and so on as the Sliders episode say is interesting.
Even if South Korea was lost to the communists, that wouldn’t mean the end of the USA and NATO. South Korea was expected to fall actually and barely received any US support in the early years (most US troops were pulled out by 1950, prompting our friend Kim Il Sung to invade). Even if the mainland fell, South Korea would’ve retreated KMT style to Jeju and attempt to live off from there. A fully communist Korea would mean a more militarized Japan and greater support for Taiwan, which would mainly serve as buffers and launching points for the US in Asia.
I can imagine a Soviet America, but not really a Soviet-occupied America.
There's a big difference between the Union of North American Soviet Republics and the North American SSR...
Although, say you have Germany join the USSR in 1919, and so the USSR is less a Moscow-centered union of republics. Then that means other socialist states would likely join the USSR, and it would be some sort of global socialist republic.
Now, with more of the world blocked out of the capitalist market, the Depression is likely worse. The Second World War probably happens but is imperialists vs. communists rather than fascists vs. the world. With German technology and industry to help bring the rest of the Union along I can imagine a Soviet Europe (as Lenin dreamed), and East/South Asia.
Anti-colonial revolutions can be brought into the International as well but idk if they'd immediately become SSRs (if a war is going on).
Then, of course, the part we all want... The internal capitalist contradictions of a worse Depression, settler-colonial racism, a great war with no market for a post-war boom, suppression of the workers, poverty, patriarchy, etc. etc., in North America brings down the USA's government.
Assuming national consciousness sticks to OTL with Black Panthers, Young Lords, Brown Berets, etc. We probably get a few things.
An Aztlan SSR, a New Afrika SSR, a Puerto Rican SSR, a Hawaiian SSR, a (insert name for the white nation in North America here... maybe just the North American nation? idk) SSR, and, once the treaties with indigenous governments are honored (I'd assume that'd happen), several autonomous First Nations territories.
So, it's not really Red Army troops landing in D.C. and nuking Wall Street as you might have imagined, but it is a North America in a Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
There's a big difference between the Union of North American Soviet Republics and the North American SSR...
Although, say you have Germany join the USSR in 1919, and so the USSR is less a Moscow-centered union of republics. Then that means other socialist states would likely join the USSR, and it would be some sort of global socialist republic.
Now, with more of the world blocked out of the capitalist market, the Depression is likely worse. The Second World War probably happens but is imperialists vs. communists rather than fascists vs. the world. With German technology and industry to help bring the rest of the Union along I can imagine a Soviet Europe (as Lenin dreamed), and East/South Asia.
Anti-colonial revolutions can be brought into the International as well but idk if they'd immediately become SSRs (if a war is going on).
Then, of course, the part we all want... The internal capitalist contradictions of a worse Depression, settler-colonial racism, a great war with no market for a post-war boom, suppression of the workers, poverty, patriarchy, etc. etc., in North America brings down the USA's government.
Assuming national consciousness sticks to OTL with Black Panthers, Young Lords, Brown Berets, etc. We probably get a few things.
An Aztlan SSR, a New Afrika SSR, a Puerto Rican SSR, a Hawaiian SSR, a (insert name for the white nation in North America here... maybe just the North American nation? idk) SSR, and, once the treaties with indigenous governments are honored (I'd assume that'd happen), several autonomous First Nations territories.
So, it's not really Red Army troops landing in D.C. and nuking Wall Street as you might have imagined, but it is a North America in a Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
No Soviet America just Occupied North America, if USSR fixed there problems with Metalurgy, Rocket and Jet Engines they would have a working N1 Rocket and would helped them win the Space Race. A USSR fully controled Germany would allow them lion's share of former Nazi tech and people which USSR to build back there strength and there would be no Red China USSR split.
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Paul Large
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Yes I remember the series it was a total bomb. No pun intended .. unless invited North America is one of the hardest places to try an invasion on the earth.
I don't see how the Soviets putting a man on the Moon before the US and having all of Germany somehow means they'll ever be in a place where they can invade the United States. Even if all of Europe was satellites of the USSR, they still wouldn't stand a chance in hell of invading the United States, and that's before you get to nuclear weapons.