Lost Freeway
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Indeed, I bet the fact Jackson was never institutionalized was a twisted thanks from Rumsfeld for allowing him to win.
Rumsfeldia: Fear and Loathing in the Decade of Tears
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Indeed, I bet the fact Jackson was never institutionalized was a twisted thanks from Rumsfeld for allowing him to win.
That never happened, as far as anyone could tell.
There was mention of a Soviet-ESA Moon-Mars mission. Any thoughts on that?
No, he was stopped in time.
Buran is the first step in the Mars (and return to Moon project) but that is a project with a 25 year plan (so perhaps a moon landing around 2002; a Mars landing around 2010: those are goals, not firm commitments at this point).
Friday, March 1, 1985
Soviet Premier Ryzhkov gives the approval for work to continue on the Buran Space Shuttle program.
Monday, November 4, 1985
The European Space Agency and the Soviet Space Agency sign a Statement of Intent to co-operate on the development of the Buran Space Shuttle program.
The Buran (which might have a different name to reflect the ESA-Soviet co-operation) would also have an ESA symbol on it. Canada is also a partner in this project - and the Soviets may soon negotiate a Japanese and South Korean involvement as well.
The WTP and the Libertarians were used by Rumsfeld to help divide and draw-off his opponents. He strategized that the WTP would draw off more Democrats than the Libertarians would draw-off Republicans, given that he adopted some outwardly Libertarian economic philosophies. In many western states the results were Democratic Governors elected with only 35% of the popular vote (a reflection of what happened at the national level for Rumsfeld).
The 1984 election included a good deal of voter suppression and "influence" being exerted on State Secretaries of State to achieve the "right result." The extent may never be known fully because Rumsfeld had the records destroyed afterward, and any who complained too loudly were driven underground or had a nervous breakdown in subsequent years.
Archibald
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Ok, cool, what matters in the end is not Buran (the Soviets disliked the basic space shuttle concept) but rather, the Energiya rocket that carry it, and its smaller derivatives - Energia-M and Zenit, and the biggers one, the monster Vulkan with a payload of 250 tons to Earth orbit.
Here's a shopping (and whopping) list of all OTL projects tied to Energia
http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/energia.htm
There are some pretty crazy stuff within that list - such as laser battlestations splitting Earth atmospheric oxygen (O2) into ozone (O3), to replenish the ozone layer
(I can't see OTL 1987 CFC ban happening at all, not with Rummy at the controls)
My favorite is the nuclear-electric space tug to move large payloads from low Earth orbit to anywhere in the inner solar system.
AFAIK, according to my research OTL Ryzkhov was a supporter of the space program, so hopefully with him at the helm of a Soviet Union doing better and not collapsing, the Soviet space program should be interesting ITTL.
Here's a shopping (and whopping) list of all OTL projects tied to Energia
http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/energia.htm
There are some pretty crazy stuff within that list - such as laser battlestations splitting Earth atmospheric oxygen (O2) into ozone (O3), to replenish the ozone layer
(I can't see OTL 1987 CFC ban happening at all, not with Rummy at the controls)My favorite is the nuclear-electric space tug to move large payloads from low Earth orbit to anywhere in the inner solar system.
AFAIK, according to my research OTL Ryzkhov was a supporter of the space program, so hopefully with him at the helm of a Soviet Union doing better and not collapsing, the Soviet space program should be interesting ITTL.
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Lost Freeway
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I bet if it weren't for Jackson, things might have turned out like the 1800 presidential election in What Madness is This?, where the results are so lopsided that any tampering in Rumsfeld's favor is gonna elicit suspicion and lead to a massive backlash.
Thoughts on the future U.S.
Thus far, this thread's response to Drew's decision to create a dominionist analog to ISIS as Rumsfeldia's successor seems to fall into two camps: one holds that the United States' socio-economic decline over the course of this TL and its prequel has been ASB since at least Rumsfeld's '84 reelection, and probably far earlier; the other, minority opinion retorts that the rise of the CSA is a not implausible outcome to nearly two decades' political malaise, and cite seemingly stable IOTL countries that went down the shitter even more swiftly than the US ITTL (Syria being one) as support for their argument.
I am of the former opinion, but I provide the caveat that the militant theonomist state described in the "Rummyhorror" update is a plausible outcome that merely came a generation early; that is to say, something resembling the CSA could easily emerge by TTL's 2010s. While the CV is a formidable force in US politics as the Decade of Tears draws to a close, it simply cannot pull off "The Handmaiden's Tale" in just two years based upon what we know of its popular support in the '80s (which is largely restricted to the Deep South). Given time, however, this horrific outcome could be accomplished: the decentralization of the United States will continue into the '90s, even as the economy improves somewhat.
This will mean that the CV can and will solidify their control in the South, where churches are the only remaining safety net; and from this stronghold, they can make considerable inroads anywhere the former white middle class is hurting, angry with Republicans and Democrats, and wary of Libertarians and the WTP. By the present day ITTL, the irreconcilable differences between dominionist ideology and political practices in the remainder of the United States will be such that secession will be desired both by the Bible Belt's denizens and pretty much everyone else.
Therefore, I can easily see a "Christian States of America" being established in the early 2000s or even slightly earlier. Initially, it generally views the Satanists/secular humanists in charge elsewhere across the former United States as tolerable, so long as the godless don't attempt to bring down the dominionists' "city on a hill" (secession in their mind ensured that this could not occur). Of course, the CSA doesn't have much in the way of financial solvency or social stability, what with the exodus of those who would rather not live under a re-instituted Jim Crow and/or being stoned for alleged homosexuality, not to mention the fact that chronically impoverished states like Mississippi no longer have largesse from D.C. coming their way; and things are starting to crumble once more by 2010.
It is now that a more militant form of Christian Reconstructionism takes hold in the CSA's political establishment: one that holds that these woes are due to sabotage by the rump USA. Inculcated with heavy doses of dispensationalist fear-mongering, the CSA concludes it is time to spread Gary North's wet dream across North America.
Hence, Rummyhorror: not in 1990, but perhaps in 2016.
On a tangent, it'll be amusing (in this scenario) to hear the CSA's Secretary of Education Jim Bob Duggar speak of homeschooling as "an evil that must be eradicated": we can't have parents teaching their own offspring when compulsory state schooling will ensure that their hearts and minds grow into a righteous place, after all.
Thus far, this thread's response to Drew's decision to create a dominionist analog to ISIS as Rumsfeldia's successor seems to fall into two camps: one holds that the United States' socio-economic decline over the course of this TL and its prequel has been ASB since at least Rumsfeld's '84 reelection, and probably far earlier; the other, minority opinion retorts that the rise of the CSA is a not implausible outcome to nearly two decades' political malaise, and cite seemingly stable IOTL countries that went down the shitter even more swiftly than the US ITTL (Syria being one) as support for their argument.
I am of the former opinion, but I provide the caveat that the militant theonomist state described in the "Rummyhorror" update is a plausible outcome that merely came a generation early; that is to say, something resembling the CSA could easily emerge by TTL's 2010s. While the CV is a formidable force in US politics as the Decade of Tears draws to a close, it simply cannot pull off "The Handmaiden's Tale" in just two years based upon what we know of its popular support in the '80s (which is largely restricted to the Deep South). Given time, however, this horrific outcome could be accomplished: the decentralization of the United States will continue into the '90s, even as the economy improves somewhat.
This will mean that the CV can and will solidify their control in the South, where churches are the only remaining safety net; and from this stronghold, they can make considerable inroads anywhere the former white middle class is hurting, angry with Republicans and Democrats, and wary of Libertarians and the WTP. By the present day ITTL, the irreconcilable differences between dominionist ideology and political practices in the remainder of the United States will be such that secession will be desired both by the Bible Belt's denizens and pretty much everyone else.
Therefore, I can easily see a "Christian States of America" being established in the early 2000s or even slightly earlier. Initially, it generally views the Satanists/secular humanists in charge elsewhere across the former United States as tolerable, so long as the godless don't attempt to bring down the dominionists' "city on a hill" (secession in their mind ensured that this could not occur). Of course, the CSA doesn't have much in the way of financial solvency or social stability, what with the exodus of those who would rather not live under a re-instituted Jim Crow and/or being stoned for alleged homosexuality, not to mention the fact that chronically impoverished states like Mississippi no longer have largesse from D.C. coming their way; and things are starting to crumble once more by 2010.
It is now that a more militant form of Christian Reconstructionism takes hold in the CSA's political establishment: one that holds that these woes are due to sabotage by the rump USA. Inculcated with heavy doses of dispensationalist fear-mongering, the CSA concludes it is time to spread Gary North's wet dream across North America.
Hence, Rummyhorror: not in 1990, but perhaps in 2016.
On a tangent, it'll be amusing (in this scenario) to hear the CSA's Secretary of Education Jim Bob Duggar speak of homeschooling as "an evil that must be eradicated": we can't have parents teaching their own offspring when compulsory state schooling will ensure that their hearts and minds grow into a righteous place, after all.
It occurred to me that Gumboverse may be the universe of Sid Meir's Alpha Centauri (which is now ATL). It has Christian States of America (although they should survive or resurge back in 21st century) that Miriam Godwinson came from, a disunited west of the USA where the Spartan movement is born in 21st century, a devastated China might be stage to a Second Golden Revolution which brings back the emperor (Sheng Ji Yang's origin). Given that India is balkanizing, an India Border Conflict that turns into nuclear war isn't impossible in the 21st century.
bookmark95
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Previous updates indicated that the CVs were indeed making inroads into American society that you described.
Much of the federal government, thanks to Rummy, and Liberty Battalions were taken over by the CVs.
They were acting as a social safety net, as Rummy tore apart the CVs.
They were gaining ground all across the South, and have a huge plurality in the House of Representatives.
Conservatives dominated the Supreme Court.
So they have arguably taken control over many facets of American life.
With the talk about space, I suddenly had this idea:
2010: Odyssey Two
2010: Odyseey is a 1985 novel by Arthur C. Clarke, the sequel to his 2001: A Space Odyssey. It follows the film continuity more than the novel, though Clarke has noted that each novel follows its own continuity.
After the failure of the Discovery One 9 years ago, The National Aeronautics Committee is being dismantled by a cost-cutting (unnamed) Republican President. Haywood Floyd, former head of the NAC, is approached by representatives of the European Space Agency, who want his help and input on a mission to find out what happened to the Discovery One, and the nature of the Monolith, now in orbit around Jupiter. With no suitable American spacecraft available, however, Floyd and the Discovery's designer Walter Curnow have to go on a ESA-Soviet craft called the "Alexei Leonov", which uses a "Sakharov Drive" [Soviet editions changed this reference to Kurchatov, after the head of the Soviet Atom bomb program, because of Sakharov's imprisonment by the Ryzkhov Government] to accelerate them to Jupiter at a faster pace. Also aboard the Leonov is HAL 9000's designer Dr. S. Chandrasegaram, or Dr. Chandra for short.
When they arrive, they find a mysterious American spacecraft (which Floyd identifies as a re-purposed "Freedom" craft), trying to penetrate Europa. They are destroyed. The last surviving member, Captain William Hart, messages the crew that they were an American military craft, trying to investigate "Soviet and Socialist activity," and intended to go back to the Earth, by refueling at Europa. However, a lifeform in Europa's ocean destroyed the craft.
The Leonov, after surviving a particularly dangerous aerobraking maneuver in Jupiter's upper atmosphere, arrives at the Discovery. Curnow reactivates the ship, and Chandra reactivates HAL, who has no memory of the events of 2001. While talking with an English astronaut, Floyd briefly sees the Monolith, and an image of Dave Bowman, one of the original Astronauts on the Discovery One.
Bowman is now an energy being, much like the original beings who created the Monoliths. Bowman first goes back to Earth to find that tensions are rising between the US and the USSR and Europe,and the two are on the verge of nuclear war. Diplomatic relations have virtually collapsed. He visits his ex-girlfriend (one of the many American exiles in Canada), and his dying mother. He is brought back to Jupiter and shown the gas bag organisms in its atmosphere, then the oceanic creatures of Europa. He learns that the Monolith beings have decided that the Europan beings are worthy of civilization, and that they will turn Jupiter into a small sun to achieve this.
Dr. Chandra concludes that HAL malfunctioned, because of contradictory orders it was given by the National Security Council and the National Aeronautics Committee about disclosing the nature of the Discovery's mission. Similarly, the logs of Dave Bowman are recovered, though they only have the concluding line "My God, It's Full of Stars."
Floyd and Curnow, as an American citizen, are separated, due to their American citizenship, as a result of growing tensions, and the Leonov and Discovery intend to boost away from Jupiter in separate launch windows. However, Bowman appears before Floyd and tells him to leave in 15 days, because of the Monolith beings plans. Floyd has trouble convincing the ESA-Soviet crew of this. However, then, the Monolith reappears in Jupiter orbit, and begins to multiply. They realize that the Monoliths will slowly envelop Jupiter, reduce its volume, and increase its density. They realize they need to leave now. The idea comes up of having the Discovery's booster rockets attach to the Leonov, to give it a sufficient escape velocity. However,HAL has to be left behind. Chandra convinces HAL not to interfere with the plan, as the both crews are in dangers. As the monoliths slowly cover the planet surface, the Leonov is able to escape. As the Discovery is slowly destoryed, HAL comes into contact with Dave, who requests HAL to make one final message.
As Jupiter is turned into a sun, The Leonov receives a message:
ALL THESE WORLDS
ARE YOURS EXCEPT
EUROPA
ATTEMPT NO
LANDING THERE
USE THEM TOGETHER
USE THEM IN PEACE
The message, and the bravery of the Leonov crew, manages to reduce tensions on Earth. The Republican President is voted out, and the new President restores the Space Program, with Floyd at its head. Meanwhile, back on Jupiter (now the star "Lucifer"), Europa has melted, and has become a jungle planet. And on it is a monolith...
An epilogue set in the year "20,001" sees the Europans and humans make first contact.
Background information: Clarke wrote the first draft, and intended to publish the novel in 1982, but with the Columbia disaster, and the subsequent downsizing of the American Space program, he realized there was probably low interest in such a novel, especially with such optimistic predictions. However, then, reports came about a growing cooperation between the European and Soviet space agencies, and inspiration struck for Clarke. Consequently, the novel was rewritten with this growing cooperation and NASA's slow decline in mind. Published in the UK and internationally in 1985, (its anti-Rumsfeld stance disallowed publication in the US, though bootlegged copies were distributed at underground science fiction conventions), it was a international hit. The Soviet edition censored the names of several dissidents (among them, Andrei Sakharov, as mentioned before, and Yuri Orlov) from the Russian translation. Still, its positive portrayal of the Soviet space program delighted the government, and Clarke was invited to witness the first Buran launch. A filmed adaptation was made in England in 1987, although Kubrick had no interest in directing it, merely producing it.
Clarke admitted that he was still optimistic that the US would have risen above the pettiness of Rumsfeld, and would restore their program in due time, when he wrote the book. After watching the fall of the US, he admits his naivete. In the triquel novel, 2051, there is a note that the US reunified in 2035, and its space program was slowly going back on track.
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2010: Odyssey Two
2010: Odyseey is a 1985 novel by Arthur C. Clarke, the sequel to his 2001: A Space Odyssey. It follows the film continuity more than the novel, though Clarke has noted that each novel follows its own continuity.
After the failure of the Discovery One 9 years ago, The National Aeronautics Committee is being dismantled by a cost-cutting (unnamed) Republican President. Haywood Floyd, former head of the NAC, is approached by representatives of the European Space Agency, who want his help and input on a mission to find out what happened to the Discovery One, and the nature of the Monolith, now in orbit around Jupiter. With no suitable American spacecraft available, however, Floyd and the Discovery's designer Walter Curnow have to go on a ESA-Soviet craft called the "Alexei Leonov", which uses a "Sakharov Drive" [Soviet editions changed this reference to Kurchatov, after the head of the Soviet Atom bomb program, because of Sakharov's imprisonment by the Ryzkhov Government] to accelerate them to Jupiter at a faster pace. Also aboard the Leonov is HAL 9000's designer Dr. S. Chandrasegaram, or Dr. Chandra for short.
When they arrive, they find a mysterious American spacecraft (which Floyd identifies as a re-purposed "Freedom" craft), trying to penetrate Europa. They are destroyed. The last surviving member, Captain William Hart, messages the crew that they were an American military craft, trying to investigate "Soviet and Socialist activity," and intended to go back to the Earth, by refueling at Europa. However, a lifeform in Europa's ocean destroyed the craft.
The Leonov, after surviving a particularly dangerous aerobraking maneuver in Jupiter's upper atmosphere, arrives at the Discovery. Curnow reactivates the ship, and Chandra reactivates HAL, who has no memory of the events of 2001. While talking with an English astronaut, Floyd briefly sees the Monolith, and an image of Dave Bowman, one of the original Astronauts on the Discovery One.
Bowman is now an energy being, much like the original beings who created the Monoliths. Bowman first goes back to Earth to find that tensions are rising between the US and the USSR and Europe,and the two are on the verge of nuclear war. Diplomatic relations have virtually collapsed. He visits his ex-girlfriend (one of the many American exiles in Canada), and his dying mother. He is brought back to Jupiter and shown the gas bag organisms in its atmosphere, then the oceanic creatures of Europa. He learns that the Monolith beings have decided that the Europan beings are worthy of civilization, and that they will turn Jupiter into a small sun to achieve this.
Dr. Chandra concludes that HAL malfunctioned, because of contradictory orders it was given by the National Security Council and the National Aeronautics Committee about disclosing the nature of the Discovery's mission. Similarly, the logs of Dave Bowman are recovered, though they only have the concluding line "My God, It's Full of Stars."
Floyd and Curnow, as an American citizen, are separated, due to their American citizenship, as a result of growing tensions, and the Leonov and Discovery intend to boost away from Jupiter in separate launch windows. However, Bowman appears before Floyd and tells him to leave in 15 days, because of the Monolith beings plans. Floyd has trouble convincing the ESA-Soviet crew of this. However, then, the Monolith reappears in Jupiter orbit, and begins to multiply. They realize that the Monoliths will slowly envelop Jupiter, reduce its volume, and increase its density. They realize they need to leave now. The idea comes up of having the Discovery's booster rockets attach to the Leonov, to give it a sufficient escape velocity. However,HAL has to be left behind. Chandra convinces HAL not to interfere with the plan, as the both crews are in dangers. As the monoliths slowly cover the planet surface, the Leonov is able to escape. As the Discovery is slowly destoryed, HAL comes into contact with Dave, who requests HAL to make one final message.
As Jupiter is turned into a sun, The Leonov receives a message:
ALL THESE WORLDS
ARE YOURS EXCEPT
EUROPA
ATTEMPT NO
LANDING THERE
USE THEM TOGETHER
USE THEM IN PEACE
The message, and the bravery of the Leonov crew, manages to reduce tensions on Earth. The Republican President is voted out, and the new President restores the Space Program, with Floyd at its head. Meanwhile, back on Jupiter (now the star "Lucifer"), Europa has melted, and has become a jungle planet. And on it is a monolith...
An epilogue set in the year "20,001" sees the Europans and humans make first contact.
Background information: Clarke wrote the first draft, and intended to publish the novel in 1982, but with the Columbia disaster, and the subsequent downsizing of the American Space program, he realized there was probably low interest in such a novel, especially with such optimistic predictions. However, then, reports came about a growing cooperation between the European and Soviet space agencies, and inspiration struck for Clarke. Consequently, the novel was rewritten with this growing cooperation and NASA's slow decline in mind. Published in the UK and internationally in 1985, (its anti-Rumsfeld stance disallowed publication in the US, though bootlegged copies were distributed at underground science fiction conventions), it was a international hit. The Soviet edition censored the names of several dissidents (among them, Andrei Sakharov, as mentioned before, and Yuri Orlov) from the Russian translation. Still, its positive portrayal of the Soviet space program delighted the government, and Clarke was invited to witness the first Buran launch. A filmed adaptation was made in England in 1987, although Kubrick had no interest in directing it, merely producing it.
Clarke admitted that he was still optimistic that the US would have risen above the pettiness of Rumsfeld, and would restore their program in due time, when he wrote the book. After watching the fall of the US, he admits his naivete. In the triquel novel, 2051, there is a note that the US reunified in 2035, and its space program was slowly going back on track.
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bookmark95
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Nice job Mr.E!
I've always found the movie ''2010'' to be wonderful. Certainly not Kubrick's masterpiece, but an excellent science fiction film all the same.
I don't know about the American successor states unifying in 2035.
Although California, with Japanese help, could easily build its own space program. Jerry Brown was called "Moonbeam" because he wanted California to launch its own satellite. Maybe an independent California, free to use its high-tech sector, has an easier chance at doing the same.
I've always found the movie ''2010'' to be wonderful. Certainly not Kubrick's masterpiece, but an excellent science fiction film all the same.
I don't know about the American successor states unifying in 2035.
Although California, with Japanese help, could easily build its own space program. Jerry Brown was called "Moonbeam" because he wanted California to launch its own satellite. Maybe an independent California, free to use its high-tech sector, has an easier chance at doing the same.
Table of Contents
Here is a table of contents for the on-line Rumsfeldia
Table of Contents:
Rumsfeldia - Year One (Several entries; graphic: arabia2.png; China1981.png; West-Africa-map2.png) - pg1
Soviet Politburo (1982) - pg11
Rumsflu - pg11
Michael Foot. Deputy Prime Minister - pg15
The 20th United States Census (graphic:1980CensusandElectoralCollege.png) - pg16
Rummypedia I - pg16
The Road to Rumpire - pg16
Rummypedia II - pg19
Rummy Rumba - p23
Rummy Rhapsody - pg23
GumboSenate1983.png - pg 26
Fear, Loathing and Gumbo on the Campaign Trail'72 Contents - pg. 27 and pg. 28
Updates 1983 -1985 (The Rummyshot; graphice1984-1 (1).png; PopularVote1984 (1).png; Outcomes1972-1984 (1).png) - pg. 30
Genusmap1984.png - pg.36
Mid-tolate 1984-1985 - pg.39
Sorry - You failed to apply for a permit to conquer the world! - pg.39
Springtime for Rummy - pg. 42
Smith's Invisible Hand - Mightier than you thought - pg. 44
Let's All Go to the Cinema (California Ordinance of Secession) - pg 48
Commercials - pg. 53
Rumsfelds PDB - pg. 53
The restive armed forces - and Sarah Louise - pg. 53
Coup Plot - pg. 56
Rummypedia - pg 58
The US Supreme Court Bench 1985 - pg 67
It's a Rummy World - Brought to you by better living thorough investment banking - pg 68
A Coup In Time - pg 68
No More Mr. Loveable - pg 68
Japanese Nuclear Program - pg. 74
Canada, China and Arabia (china1987.png; arabia1987.png) - pg. 76
Deadeye - pg. 81
Rummyplots (india_mapIIv.png) - pg. 85
Saturday, July 4, 1987 - pg. 90
Chuck Norris TV Ads - pg. 96
Hawaii - pg. 100
Spitting Image 1986 - pg. 103
* World Maps (Rumsfeldia1981.png) - pg 104
Rummyfall - pg. 122
The Economist Idaho: Laboratory of Liberty - pg 130
Rummyhorror (ChristianStatesofAmericaMap2.png) - p. 132
January 31, 1988 - p. 145
It's Not a Wonderful Life - p. 146
The Highwayman - p.149
London March 1988 - p.149
First they came for the left-wing radicals - p. 155
Spring 1988 - p. 156
There is a PDF format of this TL up to Spring 1988 (updates, no comments); it is 674 pages long and 2,500 KB, too big to post to this board. The PDF has had the graphics removed to reduce file size.
Here is a table of contents for the on-line Rumsfeldia
Table of Contents:
Rumsfeldia - Year One (Several entries; graphic: arabia2.png; China1981.png; West-Africa-map2.png) - pg1
Soviet Politburo (1982) - pg11
Rumsflu - pg11
Michael Foot. Deputy Prime Minister - pg15
The 20th United States Census (graphic:1980CensusandElectoralCollege.png) - pg16
Rummypedia I - pg16
The Road to Rumpire - pg16
Rummypedia II - pg19
Rummy Rumba - p23
Rummy Rhapsody - pg23
GumboSenate1983.png - pg 26
Fear, Loathing and Gumbo on the Campaign Trail'72 Contents - pg. 27 and pg. 28
Updates 1983 -1985 (The Rummyshot; graphic
e1984-1 (1).png; PopularVote1984 (1).png; Outcomes1972-1984 (1).png) - pg. 30Genusmap1984.png - pg.36
Mid-tolate 1984-1985 - pg.39
Sorry - You failed to apply for a permit to conquer the world! - pg.39
Springtime for Rummy - pg. 42
Smith's Invisible Hand - Mightier than you thought - pg. 44
Let's All Go to the Cinema (California Ordinance of Secession) - pg 48
Commercials - pg. 53
Rumsfelds PDB - pg. 53
The restive armed forces - and Sarah Louise - pg. 53
Coup Plot - pg. 56
Rummypedia - pg 58
The US Supreme Court Bench 1985 - pg 67
It's a Rummy World - Brought to you by better living thorough investment banking - pg 68
A Coup In Time - pg 68
No More Mr. Loveable - pg 68
Japanese Nuclear Program - pg. 74
Canada, China and Arabia (china1987.png; arabia1987.png) - pg. 76
Deadeye - pg. 81
Rummyplots (india_mapIIv.png) - pg. 85
Saturday, July 4, 1987 - pg. 90
Chuck Norris TV Ads - pg. 96
Hawaii - pg. 100
Spitting Image 1986 - pg. 103
* World Maps (Rumsfeldia1981.png) - pg 104
Rummyfall - pg. 122
The Economist Idaho: Laboratory of Liberty - pg 130
Rummyhorror (ChristianStatesofAmericaMap2.png) - p. 132
January 31, 1988 - p. 145
It's Not a Wonderful Life - p. 146
The Highwayman - p.149
London March 1988 - p.149
First they came for the left-wing radicals - p. 155
Spring 1988 - p. 156
There is a PDF format of this TL up to Spring 1988 (updates, no comments); it is 674 pages long and 2,500 KB, too big to post to this board. The PDF has had the graphics removed to reduce file size.
Wow. Perhaps you could save the file on Google Drive and give us the link for viewing.
I completely agree! I don't get why people dislike 2010 so much.
The part about America reunifying was just Clarke's speculation on the topic. As good as his technological predictions are, he has less luck with geo-politics. Perhaps 2051 has California and the PFR become the leaders of the new America by then.
I think that California and PFR would become the defacto leaders of new America by 2016- even if we go with Nuckwahler's assumption that the CSA rose in the early 2000s. California would have enough political stability to fully recover, especially if they get Japanese investment.
I appreciate the fact that my Spitting Image episode and Man on the Street scene in London are worthy of being included. Thank you.
bookmark95
Banned
I appreciate the fact that my Spitting Image episode and Man on the Street scene in London are worthy of being included. Thank you.
You are worthy of being included into... everything!
bookmark95
Banned
I want to speculate on an independent California is going to be like.
Its strongest influence will be Japan.
Demographically: I can see many Japanese people taking advantage of close ties and moving to California for cheap and abundant land. OTL, a lot of Chinese businessmen are doing the same.
Economically: California needs money to grow, and Japan needs a market for its booming economy. I also see Californian industries receiving advice from Japanese advisers and adopting policies like ''kaizen'' and lean production. I could even see California investing in bullet trains to emulate the country more.
Culturally: Manga and anime are going to be bigger things with the fall of America's cultural hegemony. While Hollywood is definitely going to make a comeback, it is not going to have a monopoly.
Mexico is also going to be big. But since Mexico is going through a golden age under President Cardenas, it will be much bigger than OTL.
Its strongest influence will be Japan.
Demographically: I can see many Japanese people taking advantage of close ties and moving to California for cheap and abundant land. OTL, a lot of Chinese businessmen are doing the same.
Economically: California needs money to grow, and Japan needs a market for its booming economy. I also see Californian industries receiving advice from Japanese advisers and adopting policies like ''kaizen'' and lean production. I could even see California investing in bullet trains to emulate the country more.
Culturally: Manga and anime are going to be bigger things with the fall of America's cultural hegemony. While Hollywood is definitely going to make a comeback, it is not going to have a monopoly.
Mexico is also going to be big. But since Mexico is going through a golden age under President Cardenas, it will be much bigger than OTL.
Don't forget that due to the lack of labour outsourcing, there will be less Wal-Mart and more of these.
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