Albuquerque, being divided into Mormon West Albuquerque and Texan East Albuquerque, is going to be a very odd place...
Bruce
I knew I should've taken that left turn at Texas East Albuquerque.
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I knew I should've taken that left turn at Texas East Albuquerque.
Welcome to the site. I have to say that it is a really good map that you've made.
Thank you.
Nice: is that an independent Confederacy I spy?
Edit: Albuquerque, being divided into Mormon West Albuquerque and Texan East Albuquerque, is going to be a very odd place...
Bruce
Yes, that is an independent South. I figured without all of that formerly Mexican land to potentially expand slavery into, there would be increased pressure on the south to expand slavery into northern territories, thus exacerbating tensions. My understanding from reading other Civil War-related threads is that the earlier the south secedes, the better chance it has. So they secede in the 1850s instead of the 1860s in this TL and are successful.
As for the Albuquerque issue, I didn't notice that. Blame the Texans. I used their claim line.
Thank you. East New Mexico will always triumph over the Western Imperialist Dogs and their Texan overlords.
Sorry mixed up which direction is east and west. Yes. Californian overlords.
For those interested (I'm looking at you Samuel Von Strassburg) here's the link to my thread on 'fairer' treaty of Versailles. link
A good mnemonic device is that east is the one to the east and west is the one to the west.
Ah, but things are not always quite so simple. For example, if you are driving on Highway 49 in the Carolinas, there is a stretch where driving due south with get you to NORTH Carolina while driving due north with get you to SOUTH Carolina thanks to a weird bend in the border. See:
I'm talking about a mnemonic device to remember which way is the cardinal direction east and which way is the cardinal direction west.
There's also the West Bank of New Orleans, which is due east of the city center.
I made this in less then three hours. I also wrote several pages of text and ate a large sandwich in that time; I was less than focused. It was for an alternate history roleplay on another forum taking place in this region. I figure, it's a map, why not post it here? I think with a couple dozen more marked towns and cities, a compass rose, and a unified fontset it wouldn't make a bad map, either. We don't have a POD or anything, but I guess 'more initially successful Ottomans' is up there since Constantinople is already spoken about in past tense and it's not even 1420 yet. Oh, and, quick question. At what age were Janissaries generally kidnapped in the earlier days of that system, does anyone know?
At six years old, apparently. And is Italy unfixed in this map? Or that just a way I to avoid untangling the peninsula's borders at this odd angle?
i don't quite get it. There are border disputes so California decides to give up a third of their claims while Texas got all they wanted? I know the land was pretty vacant, but it still seems odd to do.
The Panama Canal runs from West to East going from the Atlantic to the Pacific.
Decided to try my hand with another TORG scenario. Aside from the usual quotes from the guidebook (a very generous amount of it, indeed), this is my personal interpretation of TORG's Cyberpapacy home world.
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To hop onto the ISOTed to Mars bandwagon, a generic lower 48 to a terraformed Mars. Of course the scenario that went through my head originally was the lower 48 from May 8th 1951 to a terraformed Mars that replaces our Mars tomorrow (with rotation speed changed to match Earth). So welcome back President Truman.
Map based on Mumby's Dutch's America http://bobmumby.deviantart.com/art/Dutch-s-America-481515894 with a few changes of my own.
Well, here's the rest of it. Made some changes to the map after some thought about how the war in Asia and the Second Great War in Europe would be likely to go.
In this world, Dutch Van Der Linde, from the "Red Dead Redemption" game, led an anarchist/anti-urban western revolt in the aftermath of a more drawn-out and messy civil war and chaotic conditions in the western US. In the end, the US was divided into an "Orangeist" west, a neo-Confederacy in the south, and a workers and soldiers republic in the north. The West and North joined to crush the south, and the West then turned on a North weakened by divisions between hard-line socialists and the more moderate types.
A WWI of sorts broke out in Europe, with the anti-German block weakened from the start by the lack of US exports and financial backing. Van Der Linde joined the German side in hopes of gaining German help against the northeasterners, and also in hope of spreading his revolution to Canada. In the end the help the Germans were able to give was limited, but the invasion of Canada did lead to the UK throwing in the towel. The pressures of war led to the rise of the more radical Northeastern elements to power, and given the heavy concentration of industry and population in the area Van Der Linde was unable to crush what became the United Socialist Councils, although driving them into their core areas.
The necessities of war also made it certain the Van Der Linde's "savage utopia" became a dictatorship: when a new post-armistice "Constitutional Convention" created the American Popular Union, president-for-life Van Der Linde was essentially military dictator, [1] although his role as President was supposedly ceremonial. A process of breaking up and rearranging old state boundaries to create new "republics" was extended to the east, with new states created to punish enemies and reward allies. The power of urban centers and older eastern elites was broken, many cities destroyed outright or their populations dispersed.
Overseas, Japan as OTL was drawn into struggles with China. Germany had won the war but had been unable to entirely break France and Russia, which rose again post-war under new "Vanguardist" ultra-national regimes, as did rump Italy. In the end a second Great War broke out, with Austria and Germany against France, Italy, and Russia, with the British occupied in Asia vs the Japanese, which took advantage of European distraction to grab as much as it could in Asia. Van Der Linde's America, now under John Marston, became a British co-belligerent in hopes of expanding APU influence in Asia.
It is now 1950, and an odd multi-sided cold war is under war. Germany lost after a long struggle, and was utterly smashed, along with Austria. The world is divided into the Orangeists led by the American Popular Union, the Vanguardists led by Russia, the Communists (leadership divided between China and the American Socialist councils, although the oceans between them have helped prevent a falling out so far), the Social Democracies (essentially a British Empire struggling to federalize and it's Little Buddies) and an odd collection of conservative and predominantly "third world" monarchies led by an Ottoman Empire rising on a tide of oil. Rebellion in Africa is only just getting started, and sees Communism competing with Orangeism, the localism and agrarianism of which gives it cachet among peasant groups and urban intellectuals who idealize peasants rather than factory workers.
America remains divided, and an eventual rematch between Red and Orange Americas seems likely. After a long struggle to rebuild while fighting to purge "reactionary" elements, the United Socialist Councils is, in the view of the Supreme Council, finally running smoothly, and if many citizens present 20 years ago have fled or perished, at least those who remain are Better Americans. Meanwhile, the American Popular Union is drifting further from the ideals of its founder, perhaps inevitably in the face of external menaces and a dictatorial presidency-for-life. Cities are growing again, and if they are politically powerless, at least they don't have their finances dependent on the votes of country hicks. Industry is also expanding, although quite a bit of it is exported to puppets and allied states so it doesn't sully the American landscape. Blacks and native Americans, which gained land and political equality under the racially egalitarian Van Der Linde, are seeing their relative standing decline: the current Big Cheese, West Dickens, is not a racist per se, but he's a practical man who is fine with a little pandering to white racism if it strengthens his position and keeps the Olde Confederacy quiet, and those Indians are sitting on a load of resources they need to be more sharing with.
The atomic bomb has not yet been developed, but several nations are racing towards its creation. Nobody thinks a third Great War is unlikely in the long run...
[1] Everyone in the American Popular Union has guns, but it's the Presidentially controlled military that has the big guns.
Well, here's the rest of it. Made some changes to the map after some thought about how the war in Asia and the Second Great War in Europe would be likely to go.
In this world, Dutch Van Der Linde, from the "Red Dead Redemption" game, led an anarchist/anti-urban western revolt in the aftermath of a more drawn-out and messy civil war and chaotic conditions in the western US. In the end, the US was divided into an "Orangeist" west, a neo-Confederacy in the south, and a workers and soldiers republic in the north. The West and North joined to crush the south, and the West then turned on a North weakened by divisions between hard-line socialists and the more moderate types.
A WWI of sorts broke out in Europe, with the anti-German block weakened from the start by the lack of US exports and financial backing. Van Der Linde joined the German side in hopes of gaining German help against the northeasterners, and also in hope of spreading his revolution to Canada. In the end the help the Germans were able to give was limited, but the invasion of Canada did lead to the UK throwing in the towel. The pressures of war led to the rise of the more radical Northeastern elements to power, and given the heavy concentration of industry and population in the area Van Der Linde was unable to crush what became the United Socialist Councils, although driving them into their core areas.
The necessities of war also made it certain the Van Der Linde's "savage utopia" became a dictatorship: when a new post-armistice "Constitutional Convention" created the American Popular Union, president-for-life Van Der Linde was essentially military dictator, [1] although his role as President was supposedly ceremonial. A process of breaking up and rearranging old state boundaries to create new "republics" was extended to the east, with new states created to punish enemies and reward allies. The power of urban centers and older eastern elites was broken, many cities destroyed outright or their populations dispersed.
Overseas, Japan as OTL was drawn into struggles with China. Germany had won the war but had been unable to entirely break France and Russia, which rose again post-war under new "Vanguardist" ultra-national regimes, as did rump Italy. In the end a second Great War broke out, with Austria and Germany against France, Italy, and Russia, with the British occupied in Asia vs the Japanese, which took advantage of European distraction to grab as much as it could in Asia. Van Der Linde's America, now under John Marston, became a British co-belligerent in hopes of expanding APU influence in Asia.
It is now 1950, and an odd multi-sided cold war is under war. Germany lost after a long struggle, and was utterly smashed, along with Austria. The world is divided into the Orangeists led by the American Popular Union, the Vanguardists led by Russia, the Communists (leadership divided between China and the American Socialist councils, although the oceans between them have helped prevent a falling out so far), the Social Democracies (essentially a British Empire struggling to federalize and it's Little Buddies) and an odd collection of conservative and predominantly "third world" monarchies led by an Ottoman Empire rising on a tide of oil. Rebellion in Africa is only just getting started, and sees Communism competing with Orangeism, the localism and agrarianism of which gives it cachet among peasant groups and urban intellectuals who idealize peasants rather than factory workers.
America remains divided, and an eventual rematch between Red and Orange Americas seems likely. After a long struggle to rebuild while fighting to purge "reactionary" elements, the United Socialist Councils is, in the view of the Supreme Council, finally running smoothly, and if many citizens present 20 years ago have fled or perished, at least those who remain are Better Americans. Meanwhile, the American Popular Union is drifting further from the ideals of its founder, perhaps inevitably in the face of external menaces and a dictatorial presidency-for-life. Cities are growing again, and if they are politically powerless, at least they don't have their finances dependent on the votes of country hicks. Industry is also expanding, although quite a bit of it is exported to puppets and allied states so it doesn't sully the American landscape. Blacks and native Americans, which gained land and political equality under the racially egalitarian Van Der Linde, are seeing their relative standing decline: the current Big Cheese, West Dickens, is not a racist per se, but he's a practical man who is fine with a little pandering to white racism if it strengthens his position and keeps the Olde Confederacy quiet, and those Indians are sitting on a load of resources they need to be more sharing with.
The atomic bomb has not yet been developed, but several nations are racing towards its creation. Nobody thinks a third Great War is unlikely in the long run...
[1] Everyone in the American Popular Union has guns, but it's the Presidentially controlled military that has the big guns.
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