How would a US confined to east of the Mississippi develop?

Let's assume that the Louisiana Territory is taken by Britain from France. Let's also assume that Britain and the US have friendly relations with each other as they cooperate over joint-ownership of the river.

How would no Manifest Destiny across the continent affect American culture?

With no access to the Pacific but a new land border to the west, would the US military be larger or smaller than OTL?

What effect would this have on slavery? Could there still be a civil war?

How would this affect the development of American cities? I assume that Chicago in TTL would be far less significant than in OTL.

How would this impact immigration? Is it possible for the US of TTL to attain the same population as the US of OTL, or would the population be much smaller?

How would this affect America's position on the world stage? Assuming it still develops into an industrialized great power, would it try to project its influence across the globe or would it remain isolationist?
 
A lot of this depends on how the Tejas, Great Plains, Nuevo Mexico, and California develop. Transcontinental trade fueled development of places like Chicago. If there is still robust western development, then there could be a trade parallel to OTL in volume.
 
With no access to the Pacific but a new land border to the west, would the US military be larger or smaller than OTL?
You have decreed that US-British relations are friendly. I am dubious about this, as Britain boxing the US in on two sides, blocking any path to expansion and having the ability to cut off US access to the Mississippi (and by extension, sea access for most of the country west of the Appalachians) whenever it likes would, at least initially, make the US feel vulnerable and expand and exacerbate its OTL 19th century tendencies towards wanting to annex Canada. If relations are actually friendly, the military will be smaller, although initially it'll be of similar size to OTL. If relations are at times tense but never actually lead to (major) war, the military will be larger in the 19th century (due to the need to guard the Mississippi frontier from perfidious Albion) but probably still smaller in the long run due to the US being a somewhat smaller and weaker country on the whole.
What effect would this have on slavery? Could there still be a civil war?
If Britain abolishes it on schedule, the Underground Railroad will be able to route west instead of north. A slave in a plantation on the Mississippi doesn't need to flee to Canada: if they can just get across the river, they're free. This will exacerbate tensions between the US and the UK and could be the flash point for a war, but the scenario says they are friendly, so I guess either they work something out or the South just has to grin and bear it. The South having to grin and bear it could, of course, itself kick off a Civil War, as they rebel against the government after it refuses to press Britain on the issue. We also won't see a Missouri compromise. Without territory west of the Mississippi, balancing free and slave states becomes difficult: this might encourage the south to turn an eye towards Louisiana, or perhaps the Caribbean. Maine will probably stay part of Massachusetts for longer.
How would this affect the development of American cities? I assume that Chicago in TTL would be far less significant than in OTL.
It depends on how what would've been the Western US develops, but as a key link between the Great Lakes and the Mississippi, it will still be of great significance. It might not be the Second City ITTL, but even if it isn't it'll be one of the most populous and important in the Union. Cities along the Mississippi will be larger and more prosperous than IOTL due to their importance to the border trade.
How would this impact immigration? Is it possible for the US of TTL to attain the same population as the US of OTL, or would the population be much smaller?
Homesteaders who would've gone to Kansas or Oregon will still go to those places: they just won't be under US control. Unless you anticipate much higher immigration to/population growth in TTL's US than IOTL, and I don't see why you would, you'll wind up with a less populous country than OTL, although possibly one with more people than the region has IOTL due to immigration restrictions and/or language barriers discouraging people from migrating to the western portions of the sunbelt or whatever.
How would this affect America's position on the world stage? Assuming it still develops into an industrialized great power, would it try to project its influence across the globe or would it remain isolationist?
Diminished to no ability to project force into the Pacific, so probably no Hawaii or Philippines. It'll still be meddling in the Caribbean and Central America, though. Isolationism or interventionism will depend on how exactly the timeline proceeds: both are possible.
 
One assumes that if the Louisiana Territory is taken over by Britain, they might consider establishing similar arrangements in the territory to that of Canada OTL i.e. turn the region over to fur-or-timber (bison most likely) companies (maybe even to Hudson or Northwest), who would exercise monopoly control over trade. OTL this delayed Canadian settlement of the prairies and it's likely that it will do so too for British Louisiana ITL. That said, friendly UK-US relations will mean having to solve the problem of unregulated US immigration (i.e. the problem Mexico faced in Texas) so one assumes some ground will be given by the UK on this. Still, a lower pace of development compared with OTL.

Even without Manifest Destiny I think the US' founding principles as well as a desire to break from European tradition (Emerson etc) would have lead to the development of a 'separate' American culture based around exceptionalism anyway.

I read somewhere that the Louisiana Purchase turned the US from a maritime to a continental state and I don't disagree with this sentiment. Without the Great Plains, the US will be a far less self-contained entity, engaging far more in international trade rather than exploiting its internal market. The military will no longer be geared towards Native American suppression and the navy will not be satisfied with relying on British sea power to keep the Atlantic free and foreigners out of America. That itself may reduce the pace of US development (more of the US' capital gone to tax and funding military rather than investing in infrastructure etc) BUT at the same time, state demand for more guns and ships may stimulate US heavy industry.

I think intensive immigration to the US is still possible - the Old Northwest will just be more densely populated than OTL. The Great Lakes - Erie Canal route becomes the key transport node for the US - good news for cities on that route.

I think slavery will remain a salient issue for the US. Good UK-US relations will probably require some compromise on slavery and the return of escapees (not to mention the UK itself will have to figure out how to placate Louisiana planters). Southern strength will be diluted by the absence of Louisiana and greater immigration into the Old Northwest which gives those states demographic heft.

America's more maritime position will demand it engage more with European and Latin American affairs than OTL 19thC. Due to its geographic distance, one assumes the US will remain a 'pivot state' whose intervention will swing the balance of power decisively in European wars.
 
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The united states seem likely to hang on to places like Cuba if it still goes to war with Spain and without access to the Pacific they are unlikely to take the Philippine islands so they just might take the Spanish African colony because the Atlantic now as there only acceptable see lane is more important then otl. Other things that might happen include possible American participation in colonizing of Africa as a replacement for the Midwest, buying up parts of the Caribbean, taking a greater interest in annexing central American banana republics and if Mexico or Colombia has an issue I imagine a Panama and Mayan Yucatan buffer states could be made (or annexed?). What is probably the biggest difference though is there may be defiance of the Monroe doctrine (if it's even established in the first place) by other European powers in Latin America because the united states is likely both less threating now in its diminished size and because Britain might take renewed interest in the Americas now with the Louisiana territory under there belt. Finally if the Monroe doctrine dies so to speak we may see a scramble for Latin America delay or replace the scramble for Africa.
 
The English position on slavery is clear, it is unlawful except by reason of positive law and at time colonies cannot pass laws repugnant to the laws of England. Parliament is not going to agree to that, and the planters are garlicky frogs who can just sod off to Haiti, or hell or La Rochelle.

If that annoys some impoverished hicks in Mississippi, so Be it, the Corps of Louisiana African Volunteers, and the RN will see off the hicks.

Also worth asking where all the immigrants pre say 1848 come from in the first place. Texas is attractive to immigrants and until 1808 an enemy state, as is California.
 

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Spain, or castile rather let's everyone who is Catholic go to new Spain. Instead of 250k euros going to the new world up to 1600, you could double that, and make it massively larger in the next decade.
So instead of a few thousand settlers in California during the US invasion, you could have hundreds of thousands, making invasion and Texas independence moot
 
the US would be a lot poorer without the CA gold and NV silver. If there is a civil war, the north will be strapped for cash to fight it. No oil from TX, no vast selection of minerals from the mountain west. The US would do fine up until the 20th Century, then start hurting from lack of resources. It would likely be a middling power, not a superpower...
 
A lot of this depends on how the Tejas, Great Plains, Nuevo Mexico, and California develop. Transcontinental trade fueled development of places like Chicago. If there is still robust western development, then there could be a trade parallel to OTL in volume.
Chicago exists because of the Erie Canal.
 
Chicago exists because of the Erie Canal.

The US at the Louisiana Purchase includes the Indiana territory. If the relationship is good no reason for that not to develop as fast, or faster and in much the same way. The only real necessary difference is fewer Slave States in the US and west of the Mississippi/Missouri its a British Dominion. Early days at least the immigration is from the UK anyway (largely).

The dynamics of the Civil war change, the south is surrounded on three sides by free soil states, Missouri/Kansas are British. The US is a very large prosperous democratic industrial country fed by British wheat from the midwest.
 
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