You're right, but Word of God says those borders are canon, and I'm just building on it.
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You're right, but Word of God says those borders are canon, and I'm just building on it.
Is the seizure of Jan Mayen by the European Federation with it's valuable fishing and petroleum producing areas deliberate or just an oversight, like how Greenland IOTL left the European Union but has not here?
-Fair enough. I would expect, however, that the population and wealth distribution within the Empire may lead to a "tail wagging the dog" situation, especially regarding India.
-I agree with the move (it helps that I like that part of China better than the upper portion, but that's neither here nor there), and it makes sense given the RoC's influence on governance.
-Interesting. Honestly, I'd almost expect the new government to be an updated Articles of Confederation-lite, since it has historical legitimacy (being implemented before the Constitution, after all), devolves a great deal of power to the local governments (the states originally, here it'd be the republics), and keeps Federal power in the hands of the legislature. Granted it shouldn't be just adopted as-is, but as more of a guideline than the Constitution was.
Here’s a world-map for my ‘Wider Still, And Wider’ (or ‘Earth Fred’) TL as of somewhere around mid-summer in 1903AD, i.e. approximately a couple of years before the beginning of the Great War and a full decade before the post-war 1913 map for which I’ve already posted several versions (the most recent of which is at https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showpost.php?p=7881104&postcount=3269). It depicts a world that is temporarily, although of course only too temporarily, at peace… Well, more or less so, anyway… There are some relatively minor ‘colonial’ conflicts going on here and there, in cases where for one reason or another the locals are being reluctant to accept “the benefits of civilised rule”, but northern Mexico and the Laotian client-states that France recently took from Siam are the only two areas in which the fighting is currently extensive enough to seem worth showing on this map.
I’ll create a version of this map that has the more obvious potential flashpoints for larger wars and some other “interesting” situations labelled, with an additional key to tell you what those labels mean, fairly soon. I’ll also try to show the extent of the [‘Prussian’] Hohenzollerns’ lands inside the German League.
A few of the differences between this map and the ‘1913’ one are actually points about which I’ve changed my mind since posting the latter: They have already been updated on my own copy of it, and I’m going to post that fairly soon too. FYI, the main details shown on this map that the previously-posted version of the 1913 one doesn’t show but that should be regarded as errors in that copy rather than as having been changed by the intervening decade of historical events ITTL are:
1/ The city-state of Danzig is a member of the German League in its own right, and has been one since 1813, although it was occupied by Prussian forces during the Great War. Both ITTL and IOTL it was annexed by Prussia at the First Partition of Poland, having been self-governing under Polish rule until then, and apparently IOTL at the Congress of Vienna it actually asked for a return to that status instead of continued Prussian rule: It made the same request ITTL, and as the Prussians had spent too much of the preceding ‘Jean-Charlesian Wars’ allied to France to have as much credit with the Congress as their IOTL counterparts this ‘League City’ status (as also held by, e.g., Frankfurt-am-main, Hamburg, or Nuremberg) was considered the best solution instead.
2/ Italy owns all of Valais, rather than just the “lower” section of that former Swiss ally.
3/ The boundaries of the American province of ‘Iroquiea’ are more generous to Canada than was previously shown.
4/ There is a distinct & separate ‘imperial canton’ [in 1903] or ‘province’ [1913] in the ‘Eastern Cape’ area of South Africa.
5/ Some of the boundaries between the political divisions in ‘Terrae Australis’ are a bit less convergent on those of OTL than was previously indicated. (Also, although the cantons & colonies there weren’t organised into a Kingdom until a point somewhere in between the dates for these two maps and so the fact wouldn’t be obvious from looking at the 1903 picture, ‘Maori-Land’ chooses to remain outside of that federation until after the situation shown by my corrected version of the 1913 map.
I’ll create a version of this map that has the more obvious potential flashpoints for larger wars and some other “interesting” situations labelled, with an additional key to tell you what those labels mean, fairly soon. I’ll also try to show the extent of the [‘Prussian’] Hohenzollerns’ lands inside the German League.
A few of the differences between this map and the ‘1913’ one are actually points about which I’ve changed my mind since posting the latter: They have already been updated on my own copy of it, and I’m going to post that fairly soon too. FYI, the main details shown on this map that the previously-posted version of the 1913 one doesn’t show but that should be regarded as errors in that copy rather than as having been changed by the intervening decade of historical events ITTL are:
1/ The city-state of Danzig is a member of the German League in its own right, and has been one since 1813, although it was occupied by Prussian forces during the Great War. Both ITTL and IOTL it was annexed by Prussia at the First Partition of Poland, having been self-governing under Polish rule until then, and apparently IOTL at the Congress of Vienna it actually asked for a return to that status instead of continued Prussian rule: It made the same request ITTL, and as the Prussians had spent too much of the preceding ‘Jean-Charlesian Wars’ allied to France to have as much credit with the Congress as their IOTL counterparts this ‘League City’ status (as also held by, e.g., Frankfurt-am-main, Hamburg, or Nuremberg) was considered the best solution instead.
2/ Italy owns all of Valais, rather than just the “lower” section of that former Swiss ally.
3/ The boundaries of the American province of ‘Iroquiea’ are more generous to Canada than was previously shown.
4/ There is a distinct & separate ‘imperial canton’ [in 1903] or ‘province’ [1913] in the ‘Eastern Cape’ area of South Africa.
5/ Some of the boundaries between the political divisions in ‘Terrae Australis’ are a bit less convergent on those of OTL than was previously indicated. (Also, although the cantons & colonies there weren’t organised into a Kingdom until a point somewhere in between the dates for these two maps and so the fact wouldn’t be obvious from looking at the 1903 picture, ‘Maori-Land’ chooses to remain outside of that federation until after the situation shown by my corrected version of the 1913 map.
I may have thought Jan Mayen was part of Denmark while making the map. Another thing I'd fix on the second go.
And of course, TTL, Greenland never left the EU.
-The name "British Empire" is a relic, but on account of the history of the Empire, people's identities tend to be "I'm British" rather than "I'm Indian" or "I'm African." Not to say there's no regional identity, just that British comes first - India and to a lesser extent Nigeria are the powerhouses, but as British India and British Nigeria.
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-Yeah, that sounds about like what I was aiming for.
The POD is in the 1740s, things are similar but different.
Mostly see above. I do have names, but they're not OTL figures, so I don't think they would mean much. I'll give you the names though, just so you can laugh at them being poor format or something. Su Xin is the name of the Sichuan emperor, and Yadang Woo the leader of the Holy Empire.
The Qing are effectively run by a council of the top generals who decided to go on a sino-fication program, especially with the Hui rebelling and the Mongolians having recently broken free. The persecution of Christians got the Holy Empire going, and the Manchurians were rather upset about the whole thing too (partly because the Russians promised them free guns if they caused trouble).
And the three major alliance systems:
Organization of American Nations (OAN)
The Eternal Pact
The People's League
*Note: the People's League is not Socialist or Communist, but rather Tyrannical, a form of social totalitarianism led by a democratically elected Council for each nation (Council has 3-6 seats).*
Organization of American Nations (OAN)
The Eternal Pact
The People's League
*Note: the People's League is not Socialist or Communist, but rather Tyrannical, a form of social totalitarianism led by a democratically elected Council for each nation (Council has 3-6 seats).*
Yeah, one of the reasons the African Congress broke apart. They might as well claim the whole continent.
How does a totalitarianism with freely elected leaders work anyway?
Bruce
They're "freely" elected for very, very long terms.
Or at least, the people think they're freely elected. Opposition is destroyed, at least it was in Spain, which is the original one. Spain itself has numbed down it's more radical ways, but they won the people over by uber-industrialization, and brainwashing, along with various reforms that the people actually enjoyed (like labor laws, and women's suffrage, etc.) France, who recently fell to a Tyrannical Revolution after various decades of degradation, etc., found a large amount of trouble with setting up it's system, resulting in a lot of deaths, and a huge wave of immigration to the America's.
Cross-posting from MotM
I plan on adding rivers, and doing a few things with textures/shading, but only If I have some free time tomorrow.
I plan on adding rivers, and doing a few things with textures/shading, but only If I have some free time tomorrow.
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It's a very nice and well done map, though I could've sworn you had already posted it here.
Just a WIP I have going based on speculation in this thread about a world with no Cyrus the Great/Achaemenid Empire... It shows the world around 300 BCE-ish, just after the collapse of the Median Empire under the stress of Dahae invasions and the conquest of Babylonia by Parsa.
Not sure if I'll continue - this has mostly just been to flex the AH muscles again before I start writing the next update for my TL, but if I do continue it'll probably be in map series form.
Feel free to ask any question (yes, I do use colour schemes as a rough guide and generally improvise/add freely; so no, that's not Scotland in southern India, that's the Cholas)...
Oh, and the grey areas are tribal proto-states/areas with various tribal states too small/obscure to portray with certainty. The coloured outlines denote prominent cultural groups/particularly prominent proto-states.
Not sure if I'll continue - this has mostly just been to flex the AH muscles again before I start writing the next update for my TL, but if I do continue it'll probably be in map series form.
Feel free to ask any question (yes, I do use colour schemes as a rough guide and generally improvise/add freely; so no, that's not Scotland in southern India, that's the Cholas)...
Oh, and the grey areas are tribal proto-states/areas with various tribal states too small/obscure to portray with certainty. The coloured outlines denote prominent cultural groups/particularly prominent proto-states.
Interesting: is that Rome in central Italy? What's the state in western Anatolia/Thrace?
Bruce
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