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Map of Fallout at the time of New Vegas. NCR control of northern California is unknown, so I left it blank. Also sorry if it's hard to read.

Lost Hills should be renamed Maxson, assuming that it's not the bunker who is part of the NCR, but the city built around it
Angel's Boneyard should be renamed Los Angeles, as it's the official name of the state/town.

And it's just for the states, the NCR controlling part of the Mojave Wasteland as Baja (i think we could consider it as NCR territories)

Redding, Klamath, Vault City and New Reno were annexed to NCR at the time of NV.
New Arroyo is probably part of the NCR too, as NCR soldiers came from it, but it could be just an infulence zone or a protectorate.

Navarro is or on the control of NCR, or more probably destroyed.
 
Here's a quick map I whipped up: if the borders of the New England states strictly followed geographic boundaries (mountains, rivers, etc). New England is overall slightly bigger, at 72,561.3 square miles (at 101% its current size)*. The states themselves break down like this:

Rhode Island: 1,842 square miles(119% original size)
Massachusetts: 11,955 square miles (113% original size)
Maine*: 38,625 square miles (109% original size)
Vermont: 9,365 square miles (97% original size)
Connecticut: 4,430 square miles (80% original size)
New Hampshire: 6,842 square miles (73% original size)

* Refers to area shown. Maine's northern and eastern border now follows the Saint John River, which empties into the Bay of Fundy outside of this map's frame.

Cool map VT.
 
Lost Hills should be renamed Maxson, assuming that it's not the bunker who is part of the NCR, but the city built around it
Angel's Boneyard should be renamed Los Angeles, as it's the official name of the state/town.

And it's just for the states, the NCR controlling part of the Mojave Wasteland as Baja (i think we could consider it as NCR territories)

Redding, Klamath, Vault City and New Reno were annexed to NCR at the time of NV.
New Arroyo is probably part of the NCR too, as NCR soldiers came from it, but it could be just an infulence zone or a protectorate.

Navarro is or on the control of NCR, or more probably destroyed.
Good points. I'll fix it tomorrow.
 
Taking a break from Venus, a quick map about America. The changed states are due to the differences brought about by Cavorite technology in the development of the West, and the different course of the Civil War (i.e. the reconstruction was very radical, and it took a whole lot longer due to the difficulties of a blockade when the Rebs had aircraft + kinetic bombardment).

how the US census divides up the regions (and how they're generally refered to by characters in the prose).


Got any names for the new states? :D

Can you say 'German Socialist Revolution of 1932'?

Rule of Cool is the second rule about this TL. The first rule is that you don't mention the TL.

Are Mexico and Spain in a personal union? :confused:
 
calais city-state, maybe?

my french geography isnt that good :eek:

Correct.
After a war in the sixties, where the Brits (with the Germans and Dutchmen) defeated the French, France had to give Calais to the Brits. 20 years later, Calais became independent, but got not allowed to reunite with France.
 
BAM of a very different world, with a POD in the Dark Ages:

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Regarding my post from earlier of doing a different version of Askelion's map from his/her time line. I assumed that the admission of states would be relatively OTL due to my relative ignorance and of course only one Virginia as there is no OTL civil war to split it in two. So if I got the internal divisions of the two Americas bass-ackwards well... sorry.

Here it is.

Thanks so much Mathuen, I couldn't find a map to work with that had the state divisions! As for the states, you managed to pull it off nearly perfectly, but Virginia and Maryland remained loyal to the US. Thanks again for the help!

Edit: Here is the official updated map, based on Mathuen's model. As I've said before, I'm not used to our increasingly-regulated map system...although I'm all to happy that it's developing under Thande's patronage. It is important to note that Spain is republican, but the colonies have remained loyal to the crown. Again, the color for Mexico is used for the Viceroyalty of New Spain.

Espadas y Mariposas 1869 Revised.png
 
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BAM of a very different world, with a POD in the Dark Ages:

You could use Semmi's advice regarding borders. (Granted, it's really really annoying to draw them one pixel at a time on a Q-BAM, and I usually do it in MS Paint using the curvy-line tool and make a sequence of randomly-curved lines if I want a weird arbitrary probably-drawn-by-treaty border rather than one that makes sense. I'm not yet very good at creating borders that make sense.)
 
Map for Civil War POD

1863: After the Union gained control of the Mississippi and cut them off from the rest of the confederacy the Texan civilian government signed a peace treaty with the US.

At the end of the American Civil War (1865): Virginia, the Carolinas, and eastern Georgia are mashed together into Lincoln and Freedom, two states for Freedmen. Land is given to New Virginia and Maryland. The other confederate states are divided up into military territories (will become states). Confederate citizens in the new Freedmen states are exiled en masse to the West. (The 2nd Trail of Tears.)

Red = old border
Neon Green = new border

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Map for Civil War POD

1863: After the Union gained control of the Mississippi and cut them off from the rest of the confederacy the Texan civilian government signed a peace treaty with the US.

At the end of the American Civil War (1865): Virginia, the Carolinas, and eastern Georgia are mashed together into Lincoln and Freedom, two states for Freedmen. Land is given to New Virginia and Maryland. The other confederate states are divided up into military territories (will become states). Confederate citizens in the new Freedmen states are exiled en masse to the West. (The 2nd Trail of Tears.)

Red = old border
Neon Green = new border

Pfft, yeah, that's not ASB at all. No ephing way are the whites going to be expelled to make room for Freedmen, nevermind whole states set up for their administration.
 
Pfft, yeah, that's not ASB at all. No ephing way are the whites going to be expelled to make room for Freedmen, nevermind whole states set up for their administration.
I know, I know. Per "40 Acres and a Mule" its only supposed to be the area from Charleston to St. Johns River.
 
Thanks so much Mathuen, I couldn't find a map to work with that had the state divisions! As for the states, you managed to pull it off nearly perfectly, but Virginia and Maryland remained loyal to the US. Thanks again for the help!

Edit: Here is the official updated map, based on Mathuen's model. As I've said before, I'm not used to our increasingly-regulated map system...although I'm all to happy that it's developing under Thande's patronage. It is important to note that Spain is republican, but the colonies have remained loyal to the crown. Again, the color for Mexico is used for the Viceroyalty of New Spain.

You could use the normal Spanish colour for the Royalist colonies and the Spanish Communist Colour for the Republicans. (since there's no USSR, then it's clear that it's republican rather than Communist as communist would get the USSR colour)
 
You could use the normal Spanish colour for the Royalist colonies and the Spanish Communist Colour for the Republicans. (since there's no USSR, then it's clear that it's republican rather than Communist as communist would get the USSR colour)

Good Call. Here's the revised map. New Spain=the color for 'Spanish Dominions' and Morocco is colored with the standard Spanish color, since it was the only area governed directly from Madrid to stay loyal. Thanks for the thought...too bad it wasn't as obvious to me :D

Espadas y Mariposas 1869 Revised.png
 
A WW2 that goes on... and on.... and on...

Disclaimer: This started off as a HoI2 AoD game as Italy to explain the slight italian wankage.

The POD is obviously 1.1.1936, but in general expect a much saner and competent Fascist Italy. Italy spend a lot of resources on expanding industry and infrastructure in Italy, expanding it's industrial base, while building up a relatively formidable Regia Marina, modern Battleships and light Carriers.

Turn of events in this TL roughly:

Asia:
'37-'39:
  • Second Sino Japanese War, concludes with Japanese victory
  • Lack of unified Front and lackluster warlord support lead to Chinese downfall, paired with stern approach on the army than the navy, as in OTL.

'39-early '42:
  • Reorganization of China and expansion of war industries
  • Annexation of Hainan, Shanghai. Guangzhou area and Jinan area for direct japanese exploitation and industry
  • Puppet Rump China sees great investment for industrial exploitation, similar to Manchukuo and Mengkukuo
  • Siam and ex-french Indochina exploited for resources, but Allied Oil embargo similar to OTL forces Japan to do something

Early '42-'44:
  • Following the US-American dow on the European Axis in December '41, Japan completes a long planned Pearl Harbour-esque attack which leads to the destruction of most of the Pacific Fleet at anchor, which grants the Japanese virtually free reign in the pacific until 1944.
  • Japan and it's allies attack the Philippines and Indonesia, occupying them in close order.
  • UK, unable to mount any sort of defense of it's far eastern belongings due to the fully blocked Mediterranean in the early months loses about everything within a year, only Ceylon (where the first real defendants arrive) and Australia remain as bulwarks against Japanese aggression.

'44 - early '46:
  • The japanese expansion spree comes to a close when the recovered american forces start to turn the tide in favor of the allies.
  • The more successful, but overstretched Japanese fight a good fight, and the allies have a much harder time in this pacific war.
  • The death toll of the pacific war to date is staggering, alone the defense of Australia took more than 300,000 lives on either side
  • In the 4 years of war, more than a one and a half million allied soldiers die in the pacific war alone as the island hopping is proving to be even bloodier than it's OTL counterpart.
  • With the US Atomic Bomb project lacking due to a much worse war on either front (the US Army, Navy and Airforce is recruiting about everything it can get it's hands on), the war is not due to end anytime soon.

Europe and Africa
'38-'40:
  • Everything goes about as in OTL, but an Italy putting more focus on war industry and navy (more BBs and CVLs) is not the same sick man as in OTL (the army is smaller but more modern, though). The officer corps and overall italian leadership is much better than it's OTL counterpart.
  • Poland falls as in OTL, but Fall of France goes quick due to a joint German-Italian attack from both the north and south
  • Italian "Vichy-Regime"
  • Franco and Salazar are "convinced" at gunpoint to join the axis
  • Fall of Gibraltar in mid 1940 (after quite a fight by the Brits) does not prevent an earlier loss of Italian Libya, though (extended Navy + Front in southern Spain = smaller Italian army to defend north africa), but Army can be saved in Africa
  • Balkan campaign of Italy and Germany

Early '41:
  • With Gibraltar and thus quick access to Northern Africa lost for the Brits, and rather expecting a re-take of Libya by Italy, the latter invades Palestine and overwhelm the british defenses, securing the Suez Canal (or rather destroying it accidentally) before they get stopped by arriving british forces.
  • either side lacking the firepower (and specifically harder units and better aircover on the italian side), this front remains a stalemate for much of the remainder of the war.
  • a pro-Axis revolt in Iraq and Kuwait lead to italian puppet regimes.

Mid '41-'42:
  • Operation Barbarossa commences, but fails to reach even OTLs gains due to excessive spending in the Navy (4 BBs and 1 CV) and a bigger Luftwaffe (mostly interceptors and fighters), bogging down around Kiev and Leningrad.
  • In the continuation war, Finland fares much worse with a lack of proper german support and becomes a Soviet SSR.
  • A german naval landing around Helsinki raises hopes to liberate Finland again, but fails in the end.
  • The red army, avoiding many of the crushing defeats in the early months, mounts the first winter offensive, regaining Kiev and relieving Leningrad.
  • Persia succumbs to pressure from the Soviet union and is occupied in the north (the rest being occupied later in 1943, becoming a full SSR later that year). A surprised Italian army in the mid east which had been planning for a turkish campaign as a back door route to Baku faces a highly mechanized foe it cannot defend itself against has to fall back to Palestine around the Golan heights. The puppet regime in Iraq is quickly replaced by a soviet one.
  • US-American Dow on European Axis in December 1941

'43-'44:
  • Northwestern Africa serves as a staging ground for British and American troops to invade Iberia to open a second front for the Axis and to relieve Gibraltar fails utterly after month long fighting, KIA numbers range in the hundred thousands for either side.
  • Eastern front is a slaughter house. It is bad for the Germany who lost about 3 million already, but way worse for the Soviet who lost more than 10 million by this point, all military deaths mind you.
  • The front sways back and forth a hundreds kilometers within the entire campaing year, but only now gains the Soviet Union the upper hand as the Wehrmacht appears ever more ghost like (seriously, the attrition in AoD is amazing -.-)
  • As the remainders of the Red Horde appear to overrun the Germany, comes the victorious Italian Army from Iberia to fill in the gaps all around, allowing the Germans some breathing space to recover.

'44- early '46
  • By early 1946, nearly every major power in the world has exhausted or is about to exhaust it's manpower pool.
  • The Ostfront has a WW1-esque feel to it, but the soviets continue to apply pressure, especially in the north where Army Group North has been almost entirely shattered. The Italian army is only able to hold the current front, but lacking any forces for a freeing offensive.
  • Either combatant side is already fielding elderly and youths in front service, as able manpower becomes ever more scarce.
  • With Axis dead raking in the high single digit to low double digit millions, the Soviet Union is mourning nearly one and a half dozen million dead.


The, specifically in the Pacific, is not going to end soon, as the IJN is still not decisively defeated and the combined Japanese +Allies armies are huge. and with no Atomic Bomb in sight (though sooner than later), the japanese will fight for every square centimeter.

In the european theater, something is going to happen rather sooner than later, armies have already been reduced to half the size pre Barbarossa, most divisions simply disapparearing in combat.

And the map:

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This game has been immensely fun so far, maybe i fight it to the end :)
 
Disclaimer: This started off as a HoI2 AoD game as Italy to explain the slight italian wankage.

The POD is obviously 1.1.1936, but in general expect a much saner and competent Fascist Italy. Italy spend a lot of resources on expanding industry and infrastructure in Italy, expanding it's industrial base, while building up a relatively formidable Regia Marina, modern Battleships and light Carriers.

MEGA SNIP

Wow, that is several levels of win right there.
I <3 competent Fascist Italy, and Iberian Axis :p
 

Nietzsche

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Disclaimer: This started off as a HoI2 AoD game as Italy to explain the slight italian wankage.

The POD is obviously 1.1.1936, but in general expect a much saner and competent Fascist Italy. Italy spend a lot of resources on expanding industry and infrastructure in Italy, expanding it's industrial base, while building up a relatively formidable Regia Marina, modern Battleships and light Carriers.

Turn of events in this TL roughly:

Asia:
'37-'39:
  • Second Sino Japanese War, concludes with Japanese victory
  • Lack of unified Front and lackluster warlord support lead to Chinese downfall, paired with stern approach on the army than the navy, as in OTL.

'39-early '42:
  • Reorganization of China and expansion of war industries
  • Annexation of Hainan, Shanghai. Guangzhou area and Jinan area for direct japanese exploitation and industry
  • Puppet Rump China sees great investment for industrial exploitation, similar to Manchukuo and Mengkukuo
  • Siam and ex-french Indochina exploited for resources, but Allied Oil embargo similar to OTL forces Japan to do something

Early '42-'44:
  • Following the US-American dow on the European Axis in December '41, Japan completes a long planned Pearl Harbour-esque attack which leads to the destruction of most of the Pacific Fleet at anchor, which grants the Japanese virtually free reign in the pacific until 1944.
  • Japan and it's allies attack the Philippines and Indonesia, occupying them in close order.
  • UK, unable to mount any sort of defense of it's far eastern belongings due to the fully blocked Mediterranean in the early months loses about everything within a year, only Ceylon (where the first real defendants arrive) and Australia remain as bulwarks against Japanese aggression.

'44 - early '46:
  • The japanese expansion spree comes to a close when the recovered american forces start to turn the tide in favor of the allies.
  • The more successful, but overstretched Japanese fight a good fight, and the allies have a much harder time in this pacific war.
  • The death toll of the pacific war to date is staggering, alone the defense of Australia took more than 300,000 lives on either side
  • In the 4 years of war, more than a one and a half million allied soldiers die in the pacific war alone as the island hopping is proving to be even bloodier than it's OTL counterpart.
  • With the US Atomic Bomb project lacking due to a much worse war on either front (the US Army, Navy and Airforce is recruiting about everything it can get it's hands on), the war is not due to end anytime soon.

Europe and Africa
'38-'40:
  • Everything goes about as in OTL, but an Italy putting more focus on war industry and navy (more BBs and CVLs) is not the same sick man as in OTL (the army is smaller but more modern, though). The officer corps and overall italian leadership is much better than it's OTL counterpart.
  • Poland falls as in OTL, but Fall of France goes quick due to a joint German-Italian attack from both the north and south
  • Italian "Vichy-Regime"
  • Franco and Salazar are "convinced" at gunpoint to join the axis
  • Fall of Gibraltar in mid 1940 (after quite a fight by the Brits) does not prevent an earlier loss of Italian Libya, though (extended Navy + Front in southern Spain = smaller Italian army to defend north africa), but Army can be saved in Africa
  • Balkan campaign of Italy and Germany

Early '41:
  • With Gibraltar and thus quick access to Northern Africa lost for the Brits, and rather expecting a re-take of Libya by Italy, the latter invades Palestine and overwhelm the british defenses, securing the Suez Canal (or rather destroying it accidentally) before they get stopped by arriving british forces.
  • either side lacking the firepower (and specifically harder units and better aircover on the italian side), this front remains a stalemate for much of the remainder of the war.
  • a pro-Axis revolt in Iraq and Kuwait lead to italian puppet regimes.

Mid '41-'42:
  • Operation Barbarossa commences, but fails to reach even OTLs gains due to excessive spending in the Navy (4 BBs and 1 CV) and a bigger Luftwaffe (mostly interceptors and fighters), bogging down around Kiev and Leningrad.
  • In the continuation war, Finland fares much worse with a lack of proper german support and becomes a Soviet SSR.
  • A german naval landing around Helsinki raises hopes to liberate Finland again, but fails in the end.
  • The red army, avoiding many of the crushing defeats in the early months, mounts the first winter offensive, regaining Kiev and relieving Leningrad.
  • Persia succumbs to pressure from the Soviet union and is occupied in the north (the rest being occupied later in 1943, becoming a full SSR later that year). A surprised Italian army in the mid east which had been planning for a turkish campaign as a back door route to Baku faces a highly mechanized foe it cannot defend itself against has to fall back to Palestine around the Golan heights. The puppet regime in Iraq is quickly replaced by a soviet one.
  • US-American Dow on European Axis in December 1941

'43-'44:
  • Northwestern Africa serves as a staging ground for British and American troops to invade Iberia to open a second front for the Axis and to relieve Gibraltar fails utterly after month long fighting, KIA numbers range in the hundred thousands for either side.
  • Eastern front is a slaughter house. It is bad for the Germany who lost about 3 million already, but way worse for the Soviet who lost more than 10 million by this point, all military deaths mind you.
  • The front sways back and forth a hundreds kilometers within the entire campaing year, but only now gains the Soviet Union the upper hand as the Wehrmacht appears ever more ghost like (seriously, the attrition in AoD is amazing -.-)
  • As the remainders of the Red Horde appear to overrun the Germany, comes the victorious Italian Army from Iberia to fill in the gaps all around, allowing the Germans some breathing space to recover.

'44- early '46
  • By early 1946, nearly every major power in the world has exhausted or is about to exhaust it's manpower pool.
  • The Ostfront has a WW1-esque feel to it, but the soviets continue to apply pressure, especially in the north where Army Group North has been almost entirely shattered. The Italian army is only able to hold the current front, but lacking any forces for a freeing offensive.
  • Either combatant side is already fielding elderly and youths in front service, as able manpower becomes ever more scarce.
  • With Axis dead raking in the high single digit to low double digit millions, the Soviet Union is mourning nearly one and a half dozen million dead.


The, specifically in the Pacific, is not going to end soon, as the IJN is still not decisively defeated and the combined Japanese +Allies armies are huge. and with no Atomic Bomb in sight (though sooner than later), the japanese will fight for every square centimeter.

In the european theater, something is going to happen rather sooner than later, armies have already been reduced to half the size pre Barbarossa, most divisions simply disapparearing in combat.

And the map:



This game has been immensely fun so far, maybe i fight it to the end :)

Forget Africa, it's a lost cause. Whatever troops you have, put them on the borderlands of the Soviets. The Americans and British aren't going to be trying an offensive in Italy. Invade Turkey, seize the Straits, and start a campaign in the Black Sea. You have to cut off the Red's oil, or you might as well surrender now instead of seeing the Hammer & Sickle raised over Rome. Try to get the Japanese in on the war with Russia, it may be your only hope.

Also. Take back Gibraltar. If you don't, the Americans are going to start landing troops on the Isles, and then it's only a matter of time before you have American armies racing towards Paris. Take Gibraltar, and try to fight some kind of war in the Atlantic. Make them pay in oil and blood for every man they do manage to put on Britain.

If you can, divert your airforce to bombing Russian supply zones, and oil production areas. If the Russians start an offensive...well, you'll lose, but make them pay for every square inch. Victory or Valhalla.
 
Forget Africa, it's a lost cause. Whatever troops you have, put them on the borderlands of the Soviets. The Americans and British aren't going to be trying an offensive in Italy. Invade Turkey, seize the Straits, and start a campaign in the Black Sea. You have to cut off the Red's oil, or you might as well surrender now instead of seeing the Hammer & Sickle raised over Rome. Try to get the Japanese in on the war with Russia, it may be your only hope.

The germans and russian have already fought themselves to complete exhaustion, germany has less than 150 divisions by now (started with 350). Both nations have been hovering at 0 MP since 1942, it is a complete slugfest.
I have about 60-80 divisions on the eastern front, and 40 or so in Palestine and the other 30 strewn across the med. My MP is at 0, American MP is at 0, Russian MP is at 0.

There are 20-40 str divisions all over the russian steppes on any side.

I am not calling in the Japs because that'd be quite unfair, tbh. I was aiming for fun and an interesting storyline. also who would expect such a Japanese ownage? :D A quick overrunning of the SU would ruin it, imo.

If the US would finally push their weight, boy it would be over quickly :(


Also. Take back Gibraltar. If you don't, the Americans are going to start landing troops on the Isles, and then it's only a matter of time before you have American armies racing towards Paris. Take Gibraltar, and try to fight some kind of war in the Atlantic. Make them pay in oil and blood for every man they do manage to put on Britain.

Oh i still have Gibraltar, it was a nasty invasion right when i had pulled my troops out.
The american do have a stack of 40 or so divisions in northwestern africa, though.

If you can, divert your airforce to bombing Russian supply zones, and oil production areas. If the Russians start an offensive...well, you'll lose, but make them pay for every square inch. Victory or Valhalla.

Every airforce is basically nonexistant. AoD is hell for any nation, plus my industrial expansion program basically cost me a good airforce, right now i am focusing on INTs only to to fend of the allied bomber swarms.
 
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