No, because Leviticus 20:20 deals specifically with a man marrying his uncle's wife, the argument used would be Leviticus 18:12-14
List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage II
- Thread starter FalconHonour
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Scenario: Charles V dies in childhood.
Philip the Handsome b 1478 m Juana I of Castile b 1479
-Eleanor of Austria b 1498 m Antoine, Duke of Lorraine
-Charles of Austria b 1500 d 1507
-Isabella of Austria b 1501 m Christian II of Denmark? (does that match still happen?)
-Ferdinand VI of Castile and III of Aragon b 1503 m Isabella of Portugal b 1503
-Mary of Austria b 1505 m Louis II of Hungary and Bohemia b 1506
-Stillborn daughter 1507*
*The news of her oldest son's death causes Juana to go into premature labour and Catherine of Austria is stillborn.
@isabella plausibility check?
Philip the Handsome b 1478 m Juana I of Castile b 1479
-Eleanor of Austria b 1498 m Antoine, Duke of Lorraine
-Charles of Austria b 1500 d 1507
-Isabella of Austria b 1501 m Christian II of Denmark? (does that match still happen?)
-Ferdinand VI of Castile and III of Aragon b 1503 m Isabella of Portugal b 1503
-Mary of Austria b 1505 m Louis II of Hungary and Bohemia b 1506
-Stillborn daughter 1507*
*The news of her oldest son's death causes Juana to go into premature labour and Catherine of Austria is stillborn.
@isabella plausibility check?
Habsburg WI.
1481: Margaret Habsburg dies. Thus plans of marriage of Elizabeth of York with the Dauphin are not cancelled and Edward IV lives a bit longer.
HOUSE OF YORK:
Edward IV (1442-1485) King of England, m. Elizabeth Woodville (1437-1492)
1) Elizabeth (1466-1519) m. Charles VIII (1470-1500) King of France
3) Cecily (1469-1507) m. James IV (1473-1516) King of Scotland
4) Edward V (1470-1509) King of England, m. Joanna of Aragon (1479-1555)
5) Margaret (1472)
6) Richard (1473-1503) Duke of York, m. a) Anne Mowbray (1472-1481), b) Elizabeth Howard (1480-1538)
7) Anne (1475-1511) m. Philip IV (1478-1508) Duke of Burgundy
8) George (1477-1479)
9) Catherine (1479-1527) m. John (1478-1497) Prince of Asturias
10) Bridged (1480-1507), nun
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[1] Daughters of Ferdinand VI and Anne of Navarre
[2] John, Duke of Albany, successor of David III.
[3] Children of Vladislaus II and Elizabeth of Palatinate
1481: Margaret Habsburg dies. Thus plans of marriage of Elizabeth of York with the Dauphin are not cancelled and Edward IV lives a bit longer.
HOUSE OF YORK:
Edward IV (1442-1485) King of England, m. Elizabeth Woodville (1437-1492)
1) Elizabeth (1466-1519) m. Charles VIII (1470-1500) King of France
1) Charles IX (1487-1512) King of France, m. Anne of Brittany (1477-1514)
2) Louis XII (1489-1543) King of France, m. Francioise of Alençon (1490-1550)
3) Elizabeth (1491)
4) Philip (1494)
5) Anne (1496-1497)
6) John (1498-1553) Duke of Anjou, m. Charlotte of Longueville (1512-1549)
2) Mary (1467-1482)3) Cecily (1469-1507) m. James IV (1473-1516) King of Scotland
1) James (1492-1499)
2) Alexander (1494)
3) Margaret (1496-1497)
4) Alexander (1498)
5) Elizabeth (1500-1507)
6) James (1502)
7) James (1503-1508)
8) David III (1505-1518) King of Scotland
4) Edward V (1470-1509) King of England, m. Joanna of Aragon (1479-1555)
1) Edward VI (1497-1531) King of England, m. Eleanor of Austria (1497-1549)
2) Richard (1499)
3) Elizabeth (1500-1515)
4) Cecily (1502-1541) m. John III (1502-1557) King of Portugal
5) Richard (1505-1508)
6) John II (1507-1559) King of England, m. Isabella of Spain (1516-1578) [1]
7) Anne (1508-1563) m. John II (1482-1536) King of Scotland [2]
5) Margaret (1472)
6) Richard (1473-1503) Duke of York, m. a) Anne Mowbray (1472-1481), b) Elizabeth Howard (1480-1538)
7) Anne (1475-1511) m. Philip IV (1478-1508) Duke of Burgundy
1) Eleanor (1497-1549) m. Edward VI ( 1497-1531) King of England
2) Charles V (1499-1526) Holy Roman Emperor, m. Elizabeth of Bohemia and Hungary (1503-1558) [3]
3) Mary (1500-1536) m. Christian II (1481-1559) King of Denmark, Norway and Sweden
4) Elizabeth (1501-1563) m. Sigismund I (1467-1548) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland
5) Maximilian (1503)
6) Catherine (1504-1555) m. Stephen VI (1505-1541) King of Bohemia and Hungary [3]
7) Philip II (1506-1569) Holy Roman Emperor, m. Catherine of Spain (1515-1566) [1]
8) George (1477-1479)
9) Catherine (1479-1527) m. John (1478-1497) Prince of Asturias
1) Ferdinand VI (1497-1538) King of Spain, m. Anne of Navarre (1492-1532)
10) Bridged (1480-1507), nun
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[1] Daughters of Ferdinand VI and Anne of Navarre
[2] John, Duke of Albany, successor of David III.
[3] Children of Vladislaus II and Elizabeth of Palatinate
Not my usual sandbox (but we have an equal opportunity British royal family: capable of offending practically everybody in some form or fashion 
) :
To apologize to @FalconHonour for not remembering Diana Mosley's married surname:
@VVD0D95 my apologies that I've removed a princess of Wales you've mentioned as being your favourite
Elizabeth II, Queen of Great Britain & Northern Ireland [1952-2022] (1926-2022) m: 1947 Philip of Greece & Denmark, Duke of Edinburgh (1921-2021)
Kathleen “Kick” Kennedy (1920-1948) 1m: 1944 William Cavendish, Marquess of Hartington (1917-1944); 2m: 1946 Peter Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 8e Earl Fitzwilliam[2] (1910-1948)
[1] Daughter of Deborah Mitford, Duchess of Devonshire, OTL died in infancy. We're not saying they have a wonderfully happy marriage, but I suspect that the closer "age gap" might make it "easier". I left the names of Prince Charles' sons as OTL because I was lazy.
[2] He successfully obtains a divorce from his alcoholic wife, Olive Plunkett and marries Kick Kennedy
[3] Sadly Charles Joseph (CJ) was born a month premature. His mother went into early labour and died at being given the news of her second husband’s death in an aeroplane crash
[4] Daughter of Michael Temple-Canfield (rumoured illegitimate son of the duke of Kent) and Caroline Lee Bouvier (ergo, niece of Jackie Onassis)
@isabella @desmirelle @The_Most_Happy @HortenseMancini @RedKing @Dragonboy
) :To apologize to @FalconHonour for not remembering Diana Mosley's married surname:
@VVD0D95 my apologies that I've removed a princess of Wales you've mentioned as being your favourite
Elizabeth II, Queen of Great Britain & Northern Ireland [1952-2022] (1926-2022) m: 1947 Philip of Greece & Denmark, Duke of Edinburgh (1921-2021)
Charles III, King of Great Britain & Northern Ireland [from 2022] (b.1948) m:1975 Lady Mary Cavendish[1] (b.1953)
William, Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall & Rothesay etc (b.1978) m: 2010 Lady Kathleen Wentworth-Fitzwilliam (b.1982)
Charles (b.2013)
Mary (b.2016)
Elizabeth (b.2018)
Louis (b.2019)
Elizabeth Victoria (b.1980) m: 2005 Thomas Anson, 6e Earl of Lichfield (b.1978)
Thomas, Viscount Anson (b.2008)
Kathleen (b.2011)
Charlotte (b.2013)
Finnian (b.2015)
Stillborn Son (1981)
Henry, Duke of Sussex (b.1983) m: 2014 Chelsea Yvonne Davy (b.1985)
Katherine (b.2016)
Leopold (b.2018)
Emily (b.2021)
Other as OTL
Kathleen “Kick” Kennedy (1920-1948) 1m: 1944 William Cavendish, Marquess of Hartington (1917-1944); 2m: 1946 Peter Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 8e Earl Fitzwilliam[2] (1910-1948)
[2m.] Charles Joseph “Fitzy”, 9e Earl Fitzwilliam (1948[3]-2017) m: 1973 Janet Katherine “Jackie” Temple-Canfield[4] (1953-2018)
Kathleen “Kate” (b.1982) m: 2010 William, Prince of Wales (b.1978)
William (1983-1988)
Caroline (b.1985)
Charles Augustus, 10e Earl Fitzwilliam (b.1986)
Jacqueline (b.1989)
[1] Daughter of Deborah Mitford, Duchess of Devonshire, OTL died in infancy. We're not saying they have a wonderfully happy marriage, but I suspect that the closer "age gap" might make it "easier". I left the names of Prince Charles' sons as OTL because I was lazy.
[2] He successfully obtains a divorce from his alcoholic wife, Olive Plunkett and marries Kick Kennedy
[3] Sadly Charles Joseph (CJ) was born a month premature. His mother went into early labour and died at being given the news of her second husband’s death in an aeroplane crash
[4] Daughter of Michael Temple-Canfield (rumoured illegitimate son of the duke of Kent) and Caroline Lee Bouvier (ergo, niece of Jackie Onassis)
@isabella @desmirelle @The_Most_Happy @HortenseMancini @RedKing @Dragonboy
I like it!!Not my usual sandbox (but we have an equal opportunity British royal family: capable of offending practically everybody in some form or fashion
To apologize to @FalconHonour for not remembering Diana Mosley's married surname:
@VVD0D95 my apologies that I've removed a princess of Wales you've mentioned as being your favourite
Elizabeth II, Queen of Great Britain & Northern Ireland [1952-2022] (1926-2022) m: 1947 Philip of Greece & Denmark, Duke of Edinburgh (1921-2021)
Charles III, King of Great Britain & Northern Ireland [from 2022] (b.1948) m:1975 Lady Mary Cavendish[1] (b.1953)William, Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall & Rothesay etc (b.1978) m: 2010 Lady Kathleen Wentworth-Fitzwilliam (b.1982)Charles (b.2013)Mary (b.2016)Elizabeth (b.2018)Louis (b.2019)Elizabeth Victoria (b.1980) m: 2005 Thomas Anson, 6e Earl of Lichfield (b.1978)Thomas, Viscount Anson (b.2008)Kathleen (b.2011)Charlotte (b.2013)Finnian (b.2015)Stillborn Son (1981)Henry, Duke of Sussex (b.1983) m: 2014 Chelsea Yvonne Davy (b.1985)Katherine (b.2016)Leopold (b.2018)Emily (b.2021)Other as OTL
Kathleen “Kick” Kennedy (1920-1948) 1m: 1944 William Cavendish, Marquess of Hartington (1917-1944); 2m: 1946 Peter Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 8e Earl Fitzwilliam[2] (1910-1948)
[2m.] Charles Joseph “Fitzy”, 9e Earl Fitzwilliam (1948[3]-2017) m: 1973 Janet Katherine “Jackie” Temple-Canfield[4] (1953-2018)Kathleen “Kate” (b.1982) m: 2010 William, Prince of Wales (b.1978)William (1983-1988)Caroline (b.1985)Charles Augustus, 10e Earl Fitzwilliam (b.1986)Jacqueline (b.1989)
[1] Daughter of Deborah Mitford, Duchess of Devonshire, OTL died in infancy. We're not saying they have a wonderfully happy marriage, but I suspect that the closer "age gap" might make it "easier". I left the names of Prince Charles' sons as OTL because I was lazy.
[2] He successfully obtains a divorce from his alcoholic wife, Olive Plunkett and marries Kick Kennedy
[3] Sadly Charles Joseph (CJ) was born a month premature. His mother went into early labour and died at being given the news of her second husband’s death in an aeroplane crash
[4] Daughter of Michael Temple-Canfield (rumoured illegitimate son of the duke of Kent) and Caroline Lee Bouvier (ergo, niece of Jackie Onassis)
@isabella @desmirelle @The_Most_Happy @HortenseMancini @RedKing @Dragonboy
not really. The Portuguese match was agreed because Karl V refused to marry Isabel of Portugal. In this scenario, Fernando VI marries Isabel. Max and Aunt Margarethe would be in charge of Eleonore's marriage. However, once Karl V dies, that sort of scuppers the idea of Max being able to get his grandson elected as emperor (Karl V was a long shot the princes were willing to accept because he was born in Ghent, no way are they going for Fernando). Which means he might start making "contingency plans". Eleonore is too old for Lajos II, too important for Sigismund the Old. Her main "options" would be either Antoine of Lorraine (in the idea of uniting Upper and Lower Lorraine), Max's nephew, Wilhelm IV of Bavaria or Friedrich III of Saxony- and don't count Ludwig V of the Palatinate out either. Max will, in all likelihood, marry Anne of Hungary here, and hope to produce another son (who'd inherit Austria, but be too young for an imperial election unless Max makes it to the 1530s).
Fernando will inherit Burgundy, but how much time he'd spend there is debatable.
Least that's my reading of it
VVD0D95
Banned
I like!Not my usual sandbox (but we have an equal opportunity British royal family: capable of offending practically everybody in some form or fashion
To apologize to @FalconHonour for not remembering Diana Mosley's married surname:
@VVD0D95 my apologies that I've removed a princess of Wales you've mentioned as being your favourite
Elizabeth II, Queen of Great Britain & Northern Ireland [1952-2022] (1926-2022) m: 1947 Philip of Greece & Denmark, Duke of Edinburgh (1921-2021)
Charles III, King of Great Britain & Northern Ireland [from 2022] (b.1948) m:1975 Lady Mary Cavendish[1] (b.1953)William, Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall & Rothesay etc (b.1978) m: 2010 Lady Kathleen Wentworth-Fitzwilliam (b.1982)Charles (b.2013)Mary (b.2016)Elizabeth (b.2018)Louis (b.2019)Elizabeth Victoria (b.1980) m: 2005 Thomas Anson, 6e Earl of Lichfield (b.1978)Thomas, Viscount Anson (b.2008)Kathleen (b.2011)Charlotte (b.2013)Finnian (b.2015)Stillborn Son (1981)Henry, Duke of Sussex (b.1983) m: 2014 Chelsea Yvonne Davy (b.1985)Katherine (b.2016)Leopold (b.2018)Emily (b.2021)Other as OTL
Kathleen “Kick” Kennedy (1920-1948) 1m: 1944 William Cavendish, Marquess of Hartington (1917-1944); 2m: 1946 Peter Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 8e Earl Fitzwilliam[2] (1910-1948)
[2m.] Charles Joseph “Fitzy”, 9e Earl Fitzwilliam (1948[3]-2017) m: 1973 Janet Katherine “Jackie” Temple-Canfield[4] (1953-2018)Kathleen “Kate” (b.1982) m: 2010 William, Prince of Wales (b.1978)William (1983-1988)Caroline (b.1985)Charles Augustus, 10e Earl Fitzwilliam (b.1986)Jacqueline (b.1989)
[1] Daughter of Deborah Mitford, Duchess of Devonshire, OTL died in infancy. We're not saying they have a wonderfully happy marriage, but I suspect that the closer "age gap" might make it "easier". I left the names of Prince Charles' sons as OTL because I was lazy.
[2] He successfully obtains a divorce from his alcoholic wife, Olive Plunkett and marries Kick Kennedy
[3] Sadly Charles Joseph (CJ) was born a month premature. His mother went into early labour and died at being given the news of her second husband’s death in an aeroplane crash
[4] Daughter of Michael Temple-Canfield (rumoured illegitimate son of the duke of Kent) and Caroline Lee Bouvier (ergo, niece of Jackie Onassis)
@isabella @desmirelle @The_Most_Happy @HortenseMancini @RedKing @Dragonboy
VVD0D95
Banned
Ulrika Eleonora, Queen of Sweden (b.1688: d.1741) m Frederick, Landgrave of Hesse Kassel (b.1676: d.1751) in 1715
Has issue:
Charles XIII of Sweden (b.1720) m Louise Ulrika of Prussia (b.1720) in 1739
Has issue:
1.) Charles, Crown Prince of Sweden (b.1740)
2.) Gustav, Duke of Sodermanland (b.1742)
3.) Frederick, Duke of Ostergotland (b.1745)
4.) Sophia Eleanora of Sweden (b.1750)
@Kellan Sullivan @Emperor Constantine @FalconHonour @isabella @BlueFlowwer @Atterdag
Has issue:
Charles XIII of Sweden (b.1720) m Louise Ulrika of Prussia (b.1720) in 1739
Has issue:
1.) Charles, Crown Prince of Sweden (b.1740)
2.) Gustav, Duke of Sodermanland (b.1742)
3.) Frederick, Duke of Ostergotland (b.1745)
4.) Sophia Eleanora of Sweden (b.1750)
@Kellan Sullivan @Emperor Constantine @FalconHonour @isabella @BlueFlowwer @Atterdag
Definitely a "weirder" match, @Jan Olbracht can decide:
Vladislaus II, King of Hungary & Croatia [1490-1516], King of Bohemia [1471-1516] (1456-1516) m: 1470 [div.1500] Barbara of Brandenburg (1464-1515); 2m: 1490 [ann.1500] Beatrice of Naples (1457-1508); 3m: 1502 Elisabeth of Denmark[1] (b.1485)
[1] ICR when Elisabeth was being touted for Alexander of Lithuania, but the idea of her winding up in Hungary because Vlad needs a new wife doesn’t sound entirely “impossible” to me (given that Vlad’s mother was the chief supporter of Alexander of Lithuania marrying Elisabeth)
[2] Istvan and Marie are married at the same time as her sister Isabella and his uncle, Christian II
@Zygmunt Stary @isabella @Fehérvári @Tibi088 @VVD0D95 @Jürgen @Milites @BlueFlowwer @Zulfurium @Atterdag
Vladislaus II, King of Hungary & Croatia [1490-1516], King of Bohemia [1471-1516] (1456-1516) m: 1470 [div.1500] Barbara of Brandenburg (1464-1515); 2m: 1490 [ann.1500] Beatrice of Naples (1457-1508); 3m: 1502 Elisabeth of Denmark[1] (b.1485)
Istvan VI, King of Hungary & Croatia [from 1516], King of Bohemia [as Stephan I, from 1516] (b.1503) m: 1515 [2] Maria of Austria (b.1505)
Elisabeth (b.1506)
Katalin (b.1509)
Karoly (b.1511)
[1] ICR when Elisabeth was being touted for Alexander of Lithuania, but the idea of her winding up in Hungary because Vlad needs a new wife doesn’t sound entirely “impossible” to me (given that Vlad’s mother was the chief supporter of Alexander of Lithuania marrying Elisabeth)
[2] Istvan and Marie are married at the same time as her sister Isabella and his uncle, Christian II
@Zygmunt Stary @isabella @Fehérvári @Tibi088 @VVD0D95 @Jürgen @Milites @BlueFlowwer @Zulfurium @Atterdag
As Bohemia & Hungary had no access to the Baltic Sea (thus Denmark was neither potential ally nor rival) Danish match made more sense for Alexander than for Vladislaus.
maybe a mentality of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" then? Denmark and the Habsburgs had their differences (settled by the marriage of Christian II and Isabella OTL), the Jagiellons and the Habsburgs had their differences...united by common interest?
Anne of Brittany would NOT marry a French prince ten years younger than her. Plus she was engaged to Edward V and would marry either him or his brother Richard, once widowed (and Elizabeth Howard make no sense as Richard’s second wife)
😹😹😹😹😹Not my usual sandbox (but we have an equal opportunity British royal family: capable of offending practically everybody in some form or fashion
To apologize to @FalconHonour for not remembering Diana Mosley's married surname:
@VVD0D95 my apologies that I've removed a princess of Wales you've mentioned as being your favourite
Elizabeth II, Queen of Great Britain & Northern Ireland [1952-2022] (1926-2022) m: 1947 Philip of Greece & Denmark, Duke of Edinburgh (1921-2021)
Charles III, King of Great Britain & Northern Ireland [from 2022] (b.1948) m:1975 Lady Mary Cavendish[1] (b.1953)William, Prince of Wales, Duke of Cornwall & Rothesay etc (b.1978) m: 2010 Lady Kathleen Wentworth-Fitzwilliam (b.1982)Charles (b.2013)Mary (b.2016)Elizabeth (b.2018)Louis (b.2019)Elizabeth Victoria (b.1980) m: 2005 Thomas Anson, 6e Earl of Lichfield (b.1978)Thomas, Viscount Anson (b.2008)Kathleen (b.2011)Charlotte (b.2013)Finnian (b.2015)Stillborn Son (1981)Henry, Duke of Sussex (b.1983) m: 2014 Chelsea Yvonne Davy (b.1985)Katherine (b.2016)Leopold (b.2018)Emily (b.2021)Other as OTL
Kathleen “Kick” Kennedy (1920-1948) 1m: 1944 William Cavendish, Marquess of Hartington (1917-1944); 2m: 1946 Peter Wentworth-Fitzwilliam, 8e Earl Fitzwilliam[2] (1910-1948)
[2m.] Charles Joseph “Fitzy”, 9e Earl Fitzwilliam (1948[3]-2017) m: 1973 Janet Katherine “Jackie” Temple-Canfield[4] (1953-2018)Kathleen “Kate” (b.1982) m: 2010 William, Prince of Wales (b.1978)William (1983-1988)Caroline (b.1985)Charles Augustus, 10e Earl Fitzwilliam (b.1986)Jacqueline (b.1989)
[1] Daughter of Deborah Mitford, Duchess of Devonshire, OTL died in infancy. We're not saying they have a wonderfully happy marriage, but I suspect that the closer "age gap" might make it "easier". I left the names of Prince Charles' sons as OTL because I was lazy.
[2] He successfully obtains a divorce from his alcoholic wife, Olive Plunkett and marries Kick Kennedy
[3] Sadly Charles Joseph (CJ) was born a month premature. His mother went into early labour and died at being given the news of her second husband’s death in an aeroplane crash
[4] Daughter of Michael Temple-Canfield (rumoured illegitimate son of the duke of Kent) and Caroline Lee Bouvier (ergo, niece of Jackie Onassis)
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Will be forced to do it or disinherited. France won't let England have Brittany.
That is my way of thinking as well. And the Low Countries can be given to a second son of Ferdinand and Isabella in this case. Or if Eleanor and Antoine claims it all for themselves.
Ferdinand VI of Castile and III of Aragon b 1503 m Isabella of Portugal b 1503
Issue:
-Infanta Isabella b 1520
-Infanta Maria b 1522 d 1530
-Juan III of Spain b 1525
-Infante Fernando b 1528
-Infanta Juana b 1530
-Infante Manuel b 1533
-Infante Alfonso b 1535 d 1537
France can do very little against a previous engagement AND without the OTL defeat of Brittany (who here will NOT happen). And England would NOT have Brittany as the Prince of Wales would not be the heir of Brittany. If anything France will push for a shift of the engagement from Edward to Richard for keeping the two countries divided (Brittany would agree to it and also England)
Karl had offered Eleanor for John after his arrival in Spain. Portugal put the Karl/Isabel match as not negotiable condition for agreeing to the John/Eleanor and so both matches were abandoned and shortly after Eleanor married Manuel.
More likely she would be initially too young for Sigismund (and unavailable, being destined to England first)
Eleanor could get it after Charles‘ death. I think who would be better killing off Charles around 1510.
With Eleanor already engaged or married elsewhere (and/or Duchess of Burgundy) Christian is likelier to look to Mary Tudor as wife (unless she married Maximilian) or some other german princess
My take on it, if you consent me:
Philip the Handsome b 1478 m Juana I of Castile b 1479
-Eleanor, Duchess of Burgundy b 1498 m Antoine, Duke of Lorraine b 1489
-Charles of Austria b 1500 d 1510
-Isabella of Austria b 1501 m Sigismund I of Poland b 1467
-Ferdinand VI of Castile and III of Aragon b 1503 m Isabella of Portugal b 1503
-Mary of Austria b 1505 m Louis II of Hungary and Bohemia b 1506
- Catherine of Castile 1507* m John III of Portugal b 1503
inspired by a convo with @VVD0D95. My Yorkist sympathies are offended and I need to go bath in holy water
Henry IV, King of England [1399-1413] (1367-1413) 1m: 1381 Mary de Bohun (1370-1394); 2m: 1403 Joan of Navarre (1368-1437)
[1] Her foreign connections make it that Katherine (although English born) is seen as a better match
[2] Juan II dies in 1461 instead. While Joan is relatively “low” born, she is still the highest ranking female at the English court
[3] He sought Anne/Elizabeth of York’s hand OTL for a second wife, I don’t see why he wouldn’t try here
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Henry IV, King of England [1399-1413] (1367-1413) 1m: 1381 Mary de Bohun (1370-1394); 2m: 1403 Joan of Navarre (1368-1437)
[1m.] Henry V, King of England [1413-1422], King of France [-1422] (1386-1422) m: 1420 Catherine de Valois (1401-1437)
Henry VI, King of England [1422-1481] (1421-1481) m: 1445 Marguerite d’Anjou (1429-1482)
Edward IV, King of England [1481-1513] (1453-1513) m: 1471 Katherine of Kent[1] (1457-1530)
Henry (1475-1492)
Margaret (b.1476) m: James IV, King of Scots (b.1473)
Edward, Prince of Wales (b.1477)
Anne (b.1479)
Edmund, Duke of Bedford (b.1481)
Elizabeth (1483-1499)
John, Duke of Gloucester(b.1486)
[1m.] Thomas, Duke of Clarence (1387-1421) m: 1412 Margaret Holand (1385-1439)
[1m.] John, Duke of Bedford (1389-1435) 1m: 1423 Anne of Burgundy (1404-1432); 2m: 1433 Jacquetta of Luxembourg (1416-1472)
[1m.] Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester (1390-1447) 1m: 1422 [ann.1425] Jacqueline, Countess of Holland (1401-1436); 2m: 1431 Eleanor Cobham (1400-1454)
[1m.] Blanche (1392-1409) m: 1402 Ludwig III, Elector Palatine of the Rhine (1378-1436)
[1m.] Philippa (1394-1430) m: 1406 Erik, King of Denmark, Sweden & Norway (1381-1459)
[2m.] Edmund, Duke of Kent (1406-1451) m: 1423 Elizabeth de Beauchamp, Baroness Bergavenny (1415-1448)
Elizabeth (1430-1465) m: 1448 Affonso V, King of Portugal (1432-1481)
Duarte (1451-1462)
Isabel (1453-1511)
Joana (1454-1520)
João II, King of Portugal (1456-1507)
Stillborn Son (1460)
Maria (1464-1521)
Henry, 2e Duke of Kent (1432-1490) m: 1448 Anne of York (1439-1485)
Anne (1454-1486) m: 1468 Charles I, Duke of Burgundy (1434-1480)
Philippe IV, Duke of Burgundy (1471-1499)
Stillborn Son (1473)
Isabelle (1474-1529)
Henri II, Duke of Burgundy (1476-1548)
Anne (1478-1522)
Katherine (1457-1530) m: 1471 Edward IV, King of England (1453-1513)
Edward (1460)
Henry, 3e Duke of Kent (1462-1520) m:
Richard (1462-1466)
Joan (1463-1516)
Elizabeth (1465-1523) m:
John (1435)
Edmund (1437-1438)
Joan (1438-1485) m: 1451 Carlos IV, King of Aragon & Navarre[2] (1421-1484)
Blanca (1452-1504)
Isabel (1454)
Carlos V, King of Aragon & Navarre (1456-1501)
Juan (1457-1508)
Mary (1439-1489) m: 1452 Louis XI[3], King of France (1423-1483)
Louis, Dauphin of France (1457-1463)
Charles VIII, King of France (1458-1514) m: 1471 Marie of Burgundy (1457-1511)
Anne (1460-1492)
Jean (1461)
Louise (1462-1505)
François, Duc de Berri (1464-1517)
Stillborn Daughter (1466)
Marie (1469-1471)
Margaret (1441-1496) m: ?
[1] Her foreign connections make it that Katherine (although English born) is seen as a better match
[2] Juan II dies in 1461 instead. While Joan is relatively “low” born, she is still the highest ranking female at the English court
[3] He sought Anne/Elizabeth of York’s hand OTL for a second wife, I don’t see why he wouldn’t try here
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