Pop-culture in TL-191

[Alterwright]

Hello anyone I’m a newcomer on this site speaking of which I’m having to think a Video Games on TL-191.

Battle Barrel: (Based of the NES Battle City)

Barrel Slug SV-001: (Based of Metal Slug)

Bionic Soldier/Top Secret the Resurrection of Jake Featherston: (Based of Bionic Commando/Top Secret Hitler No Fukkatsu)

Ace Fighter: (Based of Ace Combat)

I feel like the name “Metal Slug” wouldn’t necessarily change, but the content of the game might change a bit.

The human enemies in the game are vaguely based off the Nazis. Change the colors of their little emblem, as well as the style of their equipment, and they could look more like Confederates.

 

[Alterwright]

Does anyone here know about Woodie Gutherie? He’s the guy that wrote the song “This Land is Your Land”.

After briefly looking through his bio and his influence on American country and folk music, I’m interested to know if he would wind up staying in the Confederacy or the United States.

He was born in Oklahoma (in this timeline Confederate Sequoyah) in 1912 and according to the bio his father seemed to be rather involved in politics. He was described as a conservative Democrat (in this timeline he may be part of a Confederate political party) and was apparently involved in a lynching. Woody said his father was involved in KKK activities as well. Woody was also named after Woodrow Wilson.

His family could have been uprooted during the Great War of 1914-1917, due to the bitter fighting in that state. Perhaps his father could have been drafted, but I’m unsure. If he does stay in the Confederacy, I think it could be interesting to see him develop in a similar way as in OTL. He might have been a Confederate socialist, or someone sympathetic to them, seeing as for most of his life he dedicated his songs to that kind of thing. Persecution is almost certain in that case if he stays in the Confederacy (or not. Maybe the turbulence in the interwar years changes him.)

 

[BarrelBuster]

I feel like the name “Metal Slug” wouldn’t necessarily change, but the content of the game might change a bit.

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The human enemies in the game are vaguely based off the Nazis. Change the colors of their little emblem, as well as the style of their equipment, and they could look more like Confederates.

Dont Forget the Aliens just like the IRL Metal Slug hahahahahhahaha!!! Cmon Yankee!!!! if theres a TL-191 of Allen o Neil saying that line before a mini-boss fight against him.

 

[Cire]

Does anyone here know about Woodie Gutherie? He’s the guy that wrote the song “This Land is Your Land”.

David Carradine (Kung Fu TV series) played Woodie Guthrie in the 1976 movie titled, Bound for Glory. It's been a while since I've seen it, but at least in that paricular movie Woodie Guthrie was portrayed as being almost like a free-spirited artistic hippie who had been born several decades too early. If Bound for Glory is anything to go on, I would guess that he'd probably move to the US somehow, and join the Socialist Party. Or, maybe he stayed in the CSA and worked with the black guerilla movement fighting against the CS government. Was there a character similar to Woodie Guthrie in the 191 universe?

 

[CASSICTOR]

What is Filipino pop culture like?

Might have become Japanese version of the Irish culture with their brutally against the Culture with the Katanas on their heads, but I think they would have Filipinos to migrate Australia, India and even the United States to escaped from Japanese assimilate. Filipino and the Korean people in their Homeland and Japanese Mainland will be recruited for the Empire in the East Asia like the British Empire with the Irish and Scottish subject with their Services and Culture.

 

[Deleted member 82792]

Well, here's an interesting thought!

Star Wars is likely to be made in this timeline, at least thats my belief. However, while one likely scenario is that the movie series could end up being like the original concepts, I'd like to propose a second possible scenario.

Scenario #2 being this: The "Empire" is portrayed as the good faction, while the "Rebellion" is portrayed as the evil faction.

Now, just hear me out. Given the traumatic history the United States has had in TL-191 in regards to rebellions, civil wars, and conflict within and along its borders general, I'd wager that the US public has an extreme distaste for portraying rebels and their actions in a good light, while in general they view authority figures more sympathetically as law bringers and keepers of order and safety. Now I don't want to get all meta when it comes to Star Wars here, this isn't really the place for it for me, but if you really think about it the Rebel Alliance from our timeline might not sit well with an audience from TL-191, at least not to a Yankee audience.

In fact you could say that an Alternate Star Wars made by George Lucas for the very first time in 1977 might end up looking roughly similar to the Clone Wars between Episodes II and III. The "rebels" as we know them may actually be more on par with the CIS, minus the droids, while the "empire" may be seen as weakened, distraught, but still willing to fight to keep the galaxy united as one, more akin to the Galactic Republic. George Lucas would still portray this movie as a fight between good and evil, with the "rebels" being evil and the "empire" being good, but in a much different way. Perhaps it could look more like a war in which the Empire is losing to the Rebels, but the Rebels themselves are more akin to acting like Stormtroopers (without the white armor --- or perhaps different armor? Just not white?), while the Empire's soldiers may act more like Clone Troopers (without actually being clones?), wearing armor and such.

The Empire is looking for good men and women to fight for it, to stand up against the evil rebels. For the protagonists however, the conflict is far off and doesn't concern them. That changes when the war comes to them. The protagonist's family is killed (a la Episode IV where Luke's home is burned down by stormtroopers) and now they have a motive to fight.

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Space battles are primary center piece for this movie and the final climatic battle of this version of "A New Hope" would be something of a "Space Pittsburgh" in terms of importance. A massive Rebel force, with a massive command ship at its lead, heading straight for the Empire's capital (a la Battle of Coruscant combined with Battle of Yavin 4). Thanks to the heroes efforts the Rebels are defeated and turned back, signaling a turn in the tide for the war.

The force and an alternate version of the Jedi still play a significant role. I like the idea of the Jedi having very different allusions to different cultures and philosophies than the ones we got in OTL to show how different this timeline is. While a more German Teutonic influence could be likely too, another possible influence (if you still want to stick with Eastern cultures) would be China as opposed to Japan. However, there is far more than just one source George Lucas would pool from in making the Jedi of course and he did actually use many references from real world cultures.

The Jedi and Sith may actually be just different paths and different ways to using the force, seen as neither good or bad. The Sith are more numerous in numbers in numbers here and can be seen fighting for both sides of the war. The Jedi are reclusive in nature and isolationist, more like a military order of monks. Overall the force is just as mystical as it has ever been, but the ways in which to use it and control it are seen as neither good nor bad.

No, I'm not saying the Clone Wars would essentially be this timeline's version of Star Wars. What I am saying though is that Star Wars in this timeline may be even more radically different than we know it. This is just another possible route that movie series can go.

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^^^ --- Lord Admiral Ackbar of the Imperial Navy orders the commencement of a massive pincer movement to engulf the Rebel Navy above Imperial capital planet after the Rebel's flag ship is destroyed by the protagonist.

I can believe you made me do this shitty edit I'm dead

Fan films like these would certainly be more popular:

 

[Emperor of Pennsylvania]

Alright, here's a weird idea: What would a TL 191 version of Red Flood look like?

 

[Marklin]

Alright, here's a weird idea: What would a TL 191 version of Red Flood look like?

My guess is that Europe is largely the same, but the US goes full socialist while the CS becomes a right wing dictatorship.

 

[Emperor of Pennsylvania]

My guess is that Europe is largely the same, but the US goes full socialist while the CS becomes a right wing dictatorship.

Well, asides from America going "full socialist," (which it borderline did electorally speaking during the interwar era), this is basically just canon TL 191.


Here's what I've managed to come up with for a TL 191 version of Red Flood.

-Tsar Mikhail II dies of a stroke shortly after Nicholas II's abdication. This throws the Russian Whites into disarray. As a result the Bolsheviks are able to win the Russian Civil War.

-The Russian anti-communists flee to Alaska, where they form an analogue to Red Flood Prussia.


-I guess Charles XI's regime gets overthrown by Antonin Artuad thanks to their mismanagement of the economy, so it's essentially the same backstory there as in canon Red Flood.


-Theodore Roosevelt wins a third term thanks to fears about the emerging Bolshevik regime. But Teddy dies quite early into his third term rather than in 1924 thanks to the prolonged stress of being President.

-As a side effect of this, the Democrats are generally stronger in the interwar era than the Socialists, and the USA is thus worse at dealing with the Great Depression. This worse Great Depression can spark an American Civil War. (This Civil War is not referred to as a Second American Civil War because the first Civil War is not referred to as the American Civil War in TL 191.)

-Gordon McSweeny survives WW1 and can play a role in the American Civil War.


I'm not exactly sure what would happen with the CSA, but I don't think it should go Freedomite here. Also, I'm not really sure how Accelerationism would fit in here properly - could Fiume still exist without Italy participating in WW1? If not, what could be a viable alternate origin story for Accelerationism?

 

[Emperor of Pennsylvania]

I've thought about it some more:

-On second thought, the Socialists should still probably win in 1920 in spite of the Bolsheviks being more successful. IOTL, the rise of the Bolsheviks did not stop moderate socialists in other countries from making electoral gains. Also, having militarist Democrats in charge for 52 years without interruption would basically destroy American democracy.

-At any rate, even without the Democrats in charge in the 1920s, the USA should definitely have a worse time with the Great Depression so that they can have a civil war.


-The German-backed Irish revolt during WW1 fails, only for an immediate post-WW1 revolt to partially succeed. This results in Ireland being divided between the Irish Free State in the southern part and a Dominion of Northern Ireland in the north, which was originally meant to serve as a buffer state against a potential hostile Irish government. This is because Britain is afraid that the Central Powers will back an Anti-Treaty coup in Ireland as soon as they have recovered from WW1.

-Northern Ireland is then taken over by British ultranationalists who are angry at the loss in WW1 and the Irish War of Independence. Britain then uses Northern Ireland as a dumping ground for anti-government radicals, resulting in Northern Ireland becoming the birthplace of Accelerationism. That's right, Northern Ireland is TL 191's Fiume!

-Accelerationist Northern Ireland has various potential leaders in it, including Aleister Crowley.

-As a side effect of many British crazies going to Northern Ireland, and as a result of Britain not getting into an interwar conflict with the USA over the issue of Northern Ireland, Britain dodges the Silver Shirt takeover.

-Since Britain only loses Canada as a direct result of WW1 here, and Canada was a mostly independent Dominion before then anyways, this means that, technically speaking, just as in the premise of canon Red Flood, no one wins World War I.


-On second thought, maybe Artuad doesn't take over France and France remains monarchist under Charles? With Russia communist and Britain democratic, some major country has to fill the role of standard revanchist right-wing dictatorship. Besides, if the Great Depression still happens on schedule Artuad wouldn't realistically be able to overthrow the monarchy - in Red Flood, one of the main reasons why the Accelerationists were able to take over France was because the Great Depression began after the monarchists had taken over and purged most of the normal opposition figures.

 

[Allochronian]

Expect to see some variation of these in TL-191

 

[S. Marlowski]

Expect to see some variation of these in TL-191

What other memes could exist ITTL?

 

[Allochronian]

What other memes could exist ITTL?

Featherston rants, Kaiserboos, In Imperial Japan, ____ [verb] you!, Eternal Frenchman/ Francoposting, Kaiserball with Sunglasses are some that I can think of as possibilities.

 

[Marklin]

Featherston rants, Kaiserboos, In Imperial Japan, ____ [verb] you!, Eternal Frenchman/ Francoposting, Kaiserball with Sunglasses are some that I can think of as possibilities.

Hmm, what would Kaiserboos be like in TL 191 compared to OTL? Also, what's the Eternal Frenchman?

 

[Allochronian]

Hmm, what would Kaiserboos be like in TL 191 compared to OTL? Also, what's the Eternal Frenchman?

For Kaiserboos, I am not completely sure but German hegemony in Europe would probably be made fun of.

Eternal Frenchman is a reference to the meme Eternal Anglo.

 

[treefreak32]

I've thought about it some more:

-On second thought, the Socialists should still probably win in 1920 in spite of the Bolsheviks being more successful. IOTL, the rise of the Bolsheviks did not stop moderate socialists in other countries from making electoral gains. Also, having militarist Democrats in charge for 52 years without interruption would basically destroy American democracy.

-At any rate, even without the Democrats in charge in the 1920s, the USA should definitely have a worse time with the Great Depression so that they can have a civil war.


-The German-backed Irish revolt during WW1 fails, only for an immediate post-WW1 revolt to partially succeed. This results in Ireland being divided between the Irish Free State in the southern part and a Dominion of Northern Ireland in the north, which was originally meant to serve as a buffer state against a potential hostile Irish government. This is because Britain is afraid that the Central Powers will back an Anti-Treaty coup in Ireland as soon as they have recovered from WW1.

-Northern Ireland is then taken over by British ultranationalists who are angry at the loss in WW1 and the Irish War of Independence. Britain then uses Northern Ireland as a dumping ground for anti-government radicals, resulting in Northern Ireland becoming the birthplace of Accelerationism. That's right, Northern Ireland is TL 191's Fiume!

-Accelerationist Northern Ireland has various potential leaders in it, including Aleister Crowley.

-As a side effect of many British crazies going to Northern Ireland, and as a result of Britain not getting into an interwar conflict with the USA over the issue of Northern Ireland, Britain dodges the Silver Shirt takeover.

-Since Britain only loses Canada as a direct result of WW1 here, and Canada was a mostly independent Dominion before then anyways, this means that, technically speaking, just as in the premise of canon Red Flood, no one wins World War I.


-On second thought, maybe Artuad doesn't take over France and France remains monarchist under Charles? With Russia communist and Britain democratic, some major country has to fill the role of standard revanchist right-wing dictatorship. Besides, if the Great Depression still happens on schedule Artuad wouldn't realistically be able to overthrow the monarchy - in Red Flood, one of the main reasons why the Accelerationists were able to take over France was because the Great Depression began after the monarchists had taken over and purged most of the normal opposition figures.

Could Samuel Beckett be the Irish Artaud?

 

[Emperor of Pennsylvania]

Could Samuel Beckett be the Irish Artaud?

He's too young. Also, Northern Ireland isn't lead by an Artuad analogue - it's lead by a D'Annunzio analogue. I don't know who the Artuad analogue should be.

 

[treefreak32]

He's too young. Also, Northern Ireland isn't lead by an Artuad analogue - it's lead by a D'Annunzio analogue. I don't know who the Artuad analogue should be.

Good point. For some reason I thought Beckett was older than he was for a second.

 

[Gen.Jurten]

Hmm, what would Kaiserboos be like in TL 191 compared to OTL? Also, what's the Eternal Frenchman?

Be alot more smug ( I would be ), but less hated than OTL Wehraboo

 

[Marklin]

Be alot more smug ( I would be ), but less hated than OTL Wehraboo

Probably alot less fringe too, seeing how the Kaiserreich is most likely a main player ever as of present day. And if Germany's army has the reputation of the OTL American military combined with the reputation of German engineers, well that's a pretty damn good reputation.