Is reading stories about genocides of irl groups unacceptable? Plus, which post actually advocated for genocide?Who's talking about IRL? This being alternate history and thus not real doesn't make it okay to advocate for things like this when it reflects on people that are real today. So what's it gonna be, is it okay to advocate for these things so long as 'It's just a story bro'?
Sorry, but I don't really know? The last map show that the Ottomans, the Rumites and Trebizund control Anatolia, so I'm a bit confused. Are the Candarid Beyliks just the name for a Beylik in Anatolia?Quick question for the audience. which Candarid Beylik do you think had the most impact on the story so far?
You're legitimately rethreading things that have already been brought up, almost as if trying to gotcha me or something. Quoting myself from up above:Is reading stories about genocides of irl groups unacceptable? Plus, which post actually advocated for genocide?
People advocating for it, or wink-winking at the author for it to happen isn't acceptable. That's the line. It's that straightforward.I'm here for a good story and the author's done a great job so far. If it happens because the author thinks it would have happened, it is what it is. The peanut gallery trying to goad or gaslight the author into it? That doesn't belong on this board and is transparent in its motives
Let me steelman you a bit here, because I don't think that's how you want to state that at all. It's more like "What's coming is acceptable to 16th century people, according to their standards."I'm just going to say the Ponts kicking out/genociding most the Muslims after what the Ottomans pulled is justified in the 16th century.
yeah your way of saying it is much betterLet me steelman you a bit here, because I don't think that's how you want to state that at all. It's more like "What's coming is acceptable to 16th century people, according to their standards."
so you're accusing some of the viewers of doing something that they didn't DO. Brilliant.You're legitimately rethreading things that have already been brought up, almost as if trying to gotcha me or something. Quoting myself from up above:
People advocating for it, or wink-winking at the author for it to happen isn't acceptable. That's the line. It's that straightforward.
Now what I'd said in my first post was that it'd be cool if people stop with the half-wishes. I didn't say anyone was wishing for it outright. But when you get a sequence of posts all talking about the idea of it, that's when you start getting the feeling people aren't being very subtle.
Exactly. It's unrealistic that the Orthodox Christians will do nothing about it. I'd think most people would be operating that assumption.It's not "a church," it's the Hagia Sophia, one of the holiest sites in Eastern Orthodoxy. This is the equivalent of destroying the Kabbah or the Vatican, it's not some random parish. Secular people, and many Protestants tbh, often seem incapable of understanding that for a lot of people of faith, certain places have a transcendent value and significance which means that their destruction is not just arson but the equivalent of murder. No one is advocating genocide that I can see, but to say "Orthodox Christians are going to be so deeply incensed by these events that they will hold a deep grudge and probably do a lot of un-Christian things as a result" is just a statement of fact.
so you're accusing some of the viewers of doing something that they didn't DO. Brilliant.
what you're claiming is that people are actively wanting the turks to genocided. Saying this requires you to give evidence for such a serious accusation, which you haven't given.When you cherrypick what I'm saying to make it seem like I'm only speaking in hard absolutes, then sure, yep, that's exactly what I'm doing. I've been bringing up quotes repeatedly for this conversation, but if all I'm getting is cherry-picked comments then why are you still going on about this? I've said my piece in the original post
Oh FFS!May David survive this and seek vengeance against the vile Turk, the House of Osman needs to be put to the sword down to the last newborn child.
Possibly. After all, one of THE biggest centres of Orthodox just got blown up by heretics. There’s definitely going to be a few crusades by Orthodox churches that will involve either the whole sale slaughter of every Muslim in sight or the destruction of every Mosque they can find.On a different note, would the Hagia Sophia being blown to smithereens be enough to get the Patriarchs to start reconsidering their stance on Holy War? The Orthodox would be fairly against it at this point, but that's probably the most transgressive thing I can think of right now. (Except for maybe converting the Sophia to a temple to Moloch and conducting mass sacrifice of nuns and orphans).
TRuer words have not been spoken in this thread (except for my stirring prose, of course).Do you know what'd be really cool? If people didn't start wink-winking at the author with half-wishes for genocide to start because a church burned
did anyone actually say this except for EMT claiming this?TRuer words have not been spoken in this thread (except for my stirring prose, of course).
Does it actually matter?did anyone actually say this except for EMT claiming this?
it does because he's accusing someone of expressing the enjoyment of a very horrifying action.Does it actually matter?
I think not.
It stands an excellent reminder that this is bloody ASB thread and not related to real-life.
What do you mean, bloody ASB thread?Does it actually matter?
I think not.
It stands an excellent reminder that this is bloody ASB thread and not related to real-life.
Putting words in my mouth that I've never said. I'd quote myself again but it's pretty clear you're not reading anything I write. Try going to my posts and hitting ctrl+f for 'or'. Maybe that'll get the idea across to you.what you're claiming is that people are actively wanting the turks to genocided
As soon as you give evidence that I'm accusing people. Once again, 'or'. That's a word. That's very important.Saying this requires you to give evidence for such a serious accusation, which you haven't given.
You'd be right if I was fool enough to fall for a gotcha you've set up intentionally or otherwise. Who's talked about people advocating openly for genocide? Please, scroll through my posts and see where I lambast people for actively doing so.you also haven't quoted anything throughout this conversation when I asked you about which posts actively advocated for committing genocide against the turks, so I'd say your claim that I have been cherry-picking your comments is at least misleading.
going 'genocide the turks' in this story is very different from actually being racist towards turks. I do not understand why you're that uncomfortable about it.