The Eternal Empire: Emperor Maurice dies before being overthrown

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Some areas not really covered were in Norway, Sweden, and Denmark, where local kings have taken control over their affairs, but they aren't really super important on the world stage at the moment.

Scotland meanwhile is labeled unified, but really isn't. The lowlands are, but the highlands are about as controllable as they were for most of Scottish history, namely not at all.
 
Thanks for the map!

Is Makuria charging the Roman's toll for any red sea trade? They looked primed to make bank.

The Franki look like they're in a prime position to get Lotharingia'd.

The Norman Kingdom looks a bit sad, especially compare to their reach OTL.
 
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Some areas not really covered were in Norway, Sweden, and Denmark, where local kings have taken control over their affairs, but they aren't really super important on the world stage at the moment.

Scotland meanwhile is labeled unified, but really isn't. The lowlands are, but the highlands are about as controllable as they were for most of Scottish history, namely not at all.
Do you have a link to the basemap?
 
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Some areas not really covered were in Norway, Sweden, and Denmark, where local kings have taken control over their affairs, but they aren't really super important on the world stage at the moment.

Scotland meanwhile is labeled unified, but really isn't. The lowlands are, but the highlands are about as controllable as they were for most of Scottish history, namely not at all.
You would think that the Romans would push their border with the bulgars on the Danube river?
 
You would think that the Romans would push their border with the bulgars on the Danube river?
I'm not quite sure what you mean. If you're talking about the extension north of the Danube on the Black Sea coast, that was talked about in Part 69.

Basically, the area the Romans took direct control of was the region between the Carpathian Mountains and the Black Sea. Because every time there was a nomad attack on the area the Bulgars promptly withdrew back behind the mountain passes until danger had passed. John, and then Matthios, got sick of this and so marched armies into the region, and when the Cumans were beaten they just didn't withdraw. Its a mostly defensive move, to put a buffer zone of castles between the steppe and Moesia.

If you're asking about why they aren't trying to conquer the Bulgars, mostly because its really not worth it. The Bulgars are a powerful kingdom, probably the second most powerful in Europe at this point. Their attention has just been shifted north for a long time since a bunch of pagans live up there. And both sides make a lot of money off of buying and selling captives taken by the Bulgars from among those pagans. And with the river as a solid and defensible border for both sides there hasn't been much room for conflict. Actually invading though would mean a lot of hard fighting for no particular gain other than map painting.

Do you have a link to the basemap?
I do not. It was from out of this thread:


But I saved it several years ago. I don't remember when the initial one was posted though.

Is Makuria charging the Roman's toll for any red sea trade? They looked primed to make bank.

The Franki look like they're in a prime position to get Lotharingia'd.

The Norman Kingdom looks a bit sad, especially compare to their reach OTL.
Oh yes, they are charging for red sea trade. And they are making bank. But they also wiped out the Yemeni pirates, so that was a positive.

The Franki are not in a great position definitely, but they do have a number of positives. First of all, the areas under the king's control are the most developed and wealthiest in the old Empire. So despite his smaller domain and divided attention the king of the Franks can more or less match either of his neighbors in household knights and men at arms, as well as hire a fair number of mercenaries. He does however have significantly fewer vassals lords to call on.

The Normans remember are also in charge in most of OTL France. And while they'll eventually get tossed out of there and OTL York, the big Norman kingdom is a long ways off. Both geographically and time-wise.
 
Part 72: The Late Thalassan Dynasty
Part LXXII: The Late Thalassan Dynasty​

When Manuel II died it truly was the end of an era for the Romans. Manuel had been Emperor for over seventy years. Entire families knew no Emperor but him. The citizens couldn’t help but be apprehensive. After all, even at the time it was very clear that Manuel had been the most successful Emperor since the first Augustus. Maybe ever.

No matter how good his successor was he was bound to be a step down. That said, no one worried too much. Leo VI was very much a known quantity, especially in the capital. He had been the face of the Imperial family since the death of his father John, and had held virtually every important office that might prepare him for the role. He had commanded troops on the Danube, overseen games not just in Constantinople but in Antioch, Ravenna, Venice, Syracuze, Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Carthage. He had spent at least a quarter of a year in each Exarchate, and was reasonably close to his relations. He was married to an upper-class Cilician woman, and had one son and two daughters. Constantine, Zoe, and Eudoxia. In turn Constantine had married the daughter of a Turkish leader from Caesarea in Anatolia, and Zoe and Eudoxia had married into important families in Greece and Baetica respectively.

In other words, Leo was a clearly legitimate and accepted successor. The Exarchs themselves basically shrugged at the news and carried on as before. They had already mostly thought of Leo as their direct superior regardless. Little had changed with the new title.

Outside the Empire though much had changed with Manuel’s death. The invincible Emperor was now dead, and his grandson was in charge. Perhaps now was the time to press for gains at the expense of the Romans.

The Turks of Mesopotamia were the first to probe Roman defenses, raiding near Dara in autumn 1092. Their force was decisively beaten by the garrisons out of the two fortresses, and the Turkic Emperor sent along his most sincere apologies, as well as the heads of a few of the leaders. And he certainly had known nothing of the attack, not a thing. Leo accepted the gesture despite his, correct, doubts and did not press for a larger retaliatory strike.

He did however consider a campaign against Markuria for control of the Arabian coast, and the return of the theme of Nubia. The latter of course had been abandoned by Leo’s great-grandfather when the Turks overran Anatolia, and the former was being hit with heavy tolls as the Markurian kings squeezed every coin they could out of the trading ships. Ultimately however Leo declined to pursue a more aggressive stance toward Markuria.

In 1093 emissaries arrived from Daqin to meet the Emperor, and presented themselves as representatives as the Four Kingdoms under Heaven. At least that’s what the Roman scribes said they called themselves. These were of course the four kingdoms of Guinnei, Huianan, Jiangnaxi, and Lingnan. The four will coexist more or less intact in what we refer to as the Four Kingdoms period for the next hundred years, until the Huns overrun them all.

Gifts were brought to the Emperor and returned. Interestingly Daqin sources for this period refer to the Emperor as Manuel, meaning that news of the change in ruler had not been understood by the emissaries. When they returned to Daqin and reported that the Emperor seemed to only be in middle age interest was sparked among alchemsists that the Romans had stumbled across an elixir for extending life. By the time any expedition could be sent to uncover such secrets however Leo VI was dead, and the entire possibility was written off.

Daqin return to the world stage however is important because it meant that imports from the region could now begin one again in earnest. Silk, pottery, and other goods flowed into Europe over the restored trade routes, while once again gold and silver flowed out. The sudden addition of so much Chinese silk had a major unintended consequence however, as the supply suddenly had increased with no concurrent increase in demand.

Prices plummeted, and a major economic downturn began. Leo began seizing silk in vast quantities from imperial producers and stockpiling it, but the price would take years to recover. When it did Leo found himself sitting on tons of the stuff, and aware he couldn’t actually sell it without making the entire problem repeat itself.

A solution presented itself via Africa. New trade was coming up out of the Vastitus Magnus. For centuries trade with what realms lay beyond the great desert had been sporadic at best, but in 1075 a Berber merchant had struck upon an idea. He traveled to northern Arabia and came back with camels. With these beasts he began a journey south, eventually arriving in the kingdom of Ourangdi. Some trade occurred, and the merchant returned north with his new goods.

The trip was a dismal failure from an economic point of view, and the man was dragged away by his creditors shortly after. But the idea had been planted. Berbers, Africans, Italians, and Goths began financing their own expeditions south, and soon camels had been imported into the region in the hundreds, and then the thousands. But the question of what all to actually transport was questionable. Normal manufactured goods were taken of course, but what many of the merchants wanted was something that was high quality, light, and worth a lot of money.

Hence, silk.

The Emperor began selling silk at market prices to these merchants, with the very clear understanding that none of it was to be sold within the Empire’s borders. This was perfectly fine with the merchants who began trading silk south. Gold flowed back, of which the Emperor naturally took his cut. There was grumbling about the taxation, since they’d already had to buy silk from the Emperor to make the trip, but the journey was generally profitable enough that the trade-off was accepted.

In the north however problems began to flare up. The collapse of the Franks had led to the lands settled by the Serbs, old Pannonia being taken by the Bulgar king. Worse, Matthios and John’s campaigns against the Cumans had left the Romans in control of the region between the Carpathi Mountains and the Black Sea, historically Bulgar territory. Even if the king tended to run away every time the nomads crossed the Tyras.

Its hard to blame him on that front, but with the Cumans now batted back across the river King Simon of Bulgari wanted his lands back. He had not dared cross swords with the Emperor who had bested the mighty Franks, but against a new Emperor things might well have changed. In 1095 a Bulgar raiding force cross the Carpathi mountains and laid siege to one of the Roman phrourions. The garrison held out, and reinforcements from across the Danube sent the Bulgars into retreat. There were no deaths on either side, though a number of animals were carried off and fields were burned.

The message was clear however.

Leo however sent his own message, sending two thousand light cavalry across the Danube into what had once been the province of Dacia, and striking a number of villages in the region. Once again few people died, but livestock were carried off. The Romans also burned down two of the villages after forcing the population to cross the river into modern Dacia.

King Simon’s War had begun. Raids and counterraids flew across the border, sometimes resulting in small skirmishes, but no pitched battles. Towns in both realms were burned and people forced to migrate. At least one population was kidnapped no fewer than six times in the three years the war lasted.

For his part Leo did not oversee the war himself. Nor it should be noted did Simon. Simon was leading a major offensive against the Polans. Finally, in 1098 a major Bulgar force invaded Illyricum, raiding the lands of the Croati who lived there. But as they were withdrawing the force was trapped in a pass by the Roman army and forced to surrender. Many important Bulgar nobles were captured, as was Simon’s oldest son, Peter.

With such a valuable prisoner the Romans were able to negotiate a peace treaty. Simon acknowledged Roman rule over the region, now known as Dacia Orientalis, and in exchange the Romans would pay a rent of one hundred pounds of gold per year, for the next fifty years. In addition, an Imperial heir of Constantine’s would be required to marry a Bulgar princess. As neither person existed yet however this was a mostly theoretical agreement.

Casualties in King Simon’s War were as might be imagined, light. It had however been expensive as Leo had shipped an additional twenty thousand men to the Danube, and a number of new fortresses were required in Illyricum. It had however given Constantine much needed military experience which he could point to as Emperor, and dispelled notions that Leo would be an easy target after Manuel’s death.

In the north Simon’s war against the Polans was so successful that in 1101 the king of that people agreed to be baptized. Sporadic fighting would continue against the northern pagans, but the conversion of Polans was a key point in tightening the noose on European paganism.

The war with the Bulgars over Leo turned his full attention, and treasury to an issue that had long been pressing, but neglected. Africa. Manuel had shifted a fair amount of money into rebuilding the African infrastructure, but turning the desert back was an enormous process. One that would require still more sums of money. Leo finally began to give out that money. The project would take over twenty years, and millions upon millions of gold coins, but when complete would at least restore Africa’s tax revenues to something approaching what they had once been.

Leo however would not live to see it. In 1100 he became overheated while playing a tzykion match and collapsed, dying mere days later. He was fifty-three years old, and had been Emperor for eight years. Leo was a moderately successful Emperor. He oversaw Manuel II’s last years, maintained the old system of the Exarchs smoothly, and was successful in his foreign endeavors. That said, he also is something of a nonentity when looking at overall Imperial history. Sandwiched between Manuel II, and Constantine VIII Leo’s short reign simply isn’t particularly remarkable.
 
Sandwiched between Manuel II, and Constantine VIII Leo’s short reign simply isn’t particularly remarkable.
Sometimes boring and stable is a good thing.

If Constantine‘s reign is going to be eventful I wonder which way it’ll go. Perhaps he’ll try to get out of Manuel’s shadow by conquering and overextending the empire?
 
With such a valuable prisoner the Romans were able to negotiate a peace treaty. Simon acknowledged Roman rule over the region, now known as Dacia Orientalis, and in exchange the Romans would pay a rent of one hundred pounds of gold per year, for the next fifty years. In addition, an Imperial heir of Constantine’s would be required to marry a Bulgar princess. As neither person existed yet however this was a mostly theoretical agreement.
I cannot imagine Leo being popular after this. Immediately after Manuel's death the Romans start sending tributes to barbarians to buy them off. Terrible PR! In addition to the royal match, and all this for an already preoccupied enemy and a clearly temporary peace.

I'm sure Leo himself would be aware that everyone expects him to be a downgrade.
 
I cannot imagine Leo being popular after this. Immediately after Manuel's death the Romans start sending tributes to barbarians to buy them off. Terrible PR! In addition to the royal match, and all this for an already preoccupied enemy and a clearly temporary peace.

I'm sure Leo himself would be aware that everyone expects him to be a downgrade.
Note that the Bulgars by this point aren't barbarians. They're a civilized, Christian (to the Romans the latter is basically a pre-req for the former) kingdom.
 
Note that the Bulgars by this point aren't barbarians. They're a civilized, Christian (to the Romans the latter is basically a pre-req for the former) kingdom.
Factually yes, but the point still stands. Also at least the average Roman just like in China will have a distorted view on their neighbors, esp. at the height of Eastern Roman power.
 
Factually yes, but the point still stands. Also at least the average Roman just like in China will have a distorted view on their neighbors, esp. at the height of Eastern Roman power.
I doubt the peasants living in, say, Greece, Anatolia, Africa, Egypt, the Levant, etc. even know exactly who the Bulgars are since their only source of knowledge is from travellers, I also doubt they even care about that stuff. The ones in the cities of the Balkans are the most likely to know, and, except for the ones at the borders, they probably don't care that much about this. Combined with the fact Leo died after only 8 years and I don't think a lot of people would make any fuss about this.
 
I doubt the peasants living in, say, Greece, Anatolia, Africa, Egypt, the Levant, etc. even know exactly who the Bulgars are since their only source of knowledge is from travellers, I also doubt they even care about that stuff. The ones in the cities of the Balkans are the most likely to know, and, except for the ones at the borders, they probably don't care that much about this. Combined with the fact Leo died after only 8 years and I don't think a lot of people would make any fuss about this.
I'm certainly not talking about peasants. And as you say, the burghers in the cities know, not just in the Balkans and it'll be a popular topic. But the ones that matter here are the citizens of the Queen of cities. So it'll be really bad PR.
 
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I'm certainly not talking about peasants. And as you say, the burghers in the cities know, not just does in the Balkans and it'll be a popular topic. But the ones that matter here are the citizens of the Queen of cities. So it'll be really bad PR.
Either way Leo died only two years after the peace so people could just see it as big man upstairs punishing him or something like that. Furthermore people were already expecting a downgrade and Constantine could just not bother with following the treaty.
 
I'm certainly not talking about peasants. And as you say, the burghers in the cities know, not just in the Balkans and it'll be a popular topic. But the ones that matter here are the citizens of the Queen of cities. So it'll be really bad PR.
Constantinople's opinion is far less relevant to imperial policy at the moment than it has been since the city was founded, and indeed less relevant than it was OTL outside the Latin Empire period. The Emperor is running things out of the Chalcedon Palace now, and hence is isolated from popular opinion in the capital. Similar to how Versailles was removed from Paris when initially constructed. Setting that aside though, from the Roman perspective they won the war. It ended with a smashing triumph, an expansion to the Empire was secured, and celebratory games were thrown. So a bit of gold is being shipped over the border, eh gold gets paid out to foreign kings all the time. Its a perennial tactic of Emperors. While Manuel was less inclined to do so because, "you and what army" kind of applied during his reign its still bog standard policy.

And on that same note, the Bulgars themselves took the war as a failure, though a relatively minor one. Land was given up, even if it was land no one really wanted, and the final defeat was quite embarrassing for all involved on their side (basically the commanders forgot/didn't both to scout the region properly and so weren't even aware the Romans were there until it was too late). But their irritation was mollified by the gold, both that going into the treasury, and that suddenly available to be paid out to anyone inclined to complain too loudly.
 
Considering we know that China is undergoing a Four Kingdoms period, what is India like ITTL?
I honestly know borderline nothing about Indian history before the Mughals. In general what's happening is similar to OTL, but the powers that existed there got hit by the general move of the Turks off the steppe, mostly as raids rather than full-scale invasion though.
 
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