Barry Bull
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I think the example of colonialism that comes closest is the Middle Passage and Sugar Island Slavery.
What about the removal of Indians in USA?
I think the example of colonialism that comes closest is the Middle Passage and Sugar Island Slavery.
What about the removal of Indians in USA?
You are completely and utterly wrong. The Holocaust of OTL was only the beginning. The Nazis planned to murder the VAST majority of the population of Eastern Europe, to the extent of removing evidence of cities, flooding Leningrad, etc. The few kept alive would have been slaves.
General Plan Ost says otherwise. The centerpiece of Nazi occupation of the East was genocide of Slavs.
That's quite true, and highlights an important point. Colonisation is not a good term, as it's way too vague.Colonialism was pretty damn fucking bad, no question asked, but nowhere near as bad as Nazism. Hell, in colonies, some local elites could be encouraged to rise up and get positions of high responsibility. A skilled black Guyanese man could, and did, historically, end up as colonial governor of half of French Africa with actual influence over the policies there. A skilled Jew or Gipsy would have been murdered like the others. There's mass-scale fuck-up and greed on one side. There's deliberate gratuitous industrial-scale murder on the other.
Once the Jews, gipsies, etc were killed. I doubt the mass killing would continue although troublemakers would be killed this would be much less. I am not aware of any plans to kill off Eastern Europeans as such. They were to be slaves of the master race.
I suspect that the post-Stalin regime before the collapse of the USSR would be a model.
I do not think so. This was likely a short-term primarily due to the shortages of food.
Please use google translate to read this page if you cannot read German
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerplan
The fact that the Hunger Plan exists does not mean Generalplan Ost wasn't a thing.I do not think so. This was likely a short-term primarily due to the shortages of food.
Please use google translate to read this page if you cannot read German
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerplan
No the mid east will be next (oil)
Didn't Hitler actually like Islam? I read a couple times about that alliance indeed.I don't see the Nazis wiping out the Arabs. I know that the Arabs are descended from the same Semitic roots as the Jews, but Hitler and even Himmler tossed around the idea of an alliance between the Arabs and the Third Reich. There were Muslim units of the Waffen SS, used in anti-partisan operations in Yugoslavia, and Mein Kampf was translated into Arabic for Middle Eastern audiences.
Also, it's worth noting that Hitler had a fascination with Islam, it's supposed emphasis on strength in parallel to Christianity's supposed weakness and of course, Islam's violent history with Jews. I don't think Hitler will allowed that to be exterminated willy-nilly. I believe he would want that preserved in some form.
I don't see the Nazis wiping out the Arabs. I know that the Arabs are descended from the same Semitic roots as the Jews, but Hitler and even Himmler tossed around the idea of an alliance between the Arabs and the Third Reich. There were Muslim units of the Waffen SS, used in anti-partisan operations in Yugoslavia, and Mein Kampf was translated into Arabic for Middle Eastern audiences.
Also, it's worth noting that Hitler had a fascination with Islam, it's supposed emphasis on strength in parallel to Christianity's supposed weakness and of course, Islam's violent history with Jews. I don't think Hitler will allowed that to be exterminated willy-nilly. I believe he would want that preserved in some form.
Now, I don't think Black People would have been treated particularly well to say the least.
Interestingly enough, there was already VERY violent propaganda against French black troups in WWI, and especially during the post-war occupationNot too familiar with the details, but indeed I believe there's plenty of evidence of this being the likely case based on the German treatment of colonial African POWs after the fall of France.
Interestingly enough, there was already VERY violent propaganda against French black troups in WWI, and especially during the post-war occupation
What about the removal of Indians in USA?
It didn't have the industrialized scale of the slave trade. Also, as bad as it is, I don't think forced displacement is as evil as chattel slavery.
I am aware of the Hunger Plan. That however was just the start of the planned genocides in the East, and it was directly in line with Nazi plans for the East. It helped alleviate shortages of food yes, but things can have more than one application. Look, this really is as simple as a Google Search. If you haven't heard of the plan, then okay, but not having heard of it, and then trying to claim it didn't exist based on that really isn't particularly solid ground to stand on.I do not think so. This was likely a short-term primarily due to the shortages of food.
Please use google translate to read this page if you cannot read German
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungerplan
Some people consider what happened to the Indians ethnic cleasning.