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What happen to Canada?

And the Middle East?

When you mean 'mostyl' conventional war...who got nuke? Or hit by other types of WMD's?

China did not eat any nukes?
The country still exists but is more of a US ally than a UK one; grew more attached to the USA during the conflict, it pays to be near a superpower than one that's far across the ocean.

Got sucked into the conflict thanks to the likes of Hussein and Ghaddafi placing their bets on the Soviets; currently dominated by Egyptian, Turkish, and Arab interests, with Iran in the long decline since the war and Morocco a rising power.

Plenty of countries did get their share of nukes but the worst hit were the USSR, a few non NATO countries, and China (though ironically their numerical advantage in terms of personnel allowed them to regain its pre 1911 borders); I'm sure some gas weapons were used but ironically less so than WWI.
 
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So I was recently playing a game of EU4. For those curious, I was playing a custom nation, Hunnia, from my Hunnic Kingdom series. I would go into more detail, but the focus of this is on Qara Qoyonlu. Throughout the game, Qara Qoyonlu shockingly survived by migrating down into Oman, and then from there fending off the Ottomans (and later Revolutionary Turkey*). I imagine Oman would be become Turkic speaking overtime, but would be an offset of traditional Turkic and would probably be even more Arabicized, becoming the "black sheep" of the family, if you will (perhaps the name of this language could be Koyonish).

*yes, god damned Revolutionary Ottomans. Scariest thing I've ever seen in a game. Their very presence sent me into a civil war for the last 50 years of the game
 
The country still exists but is more of a US ally than a UK one; grew more attached to the USA during the conflict, it pays to be near a superpower than one that's far across the ocean.

Got sucked into the conflict thanks to the likes of Hussein and Ghaddafi placing their bets on the Soviets; currently dominated by Egyptian, Turkish, and Arab interests, with Iran in the long decline since the war and Morocco a rising power.

Plenty of countries did get their share of nukes but the worst hit were the USSR, a few non NATO countries, and China (though ironically their numerical advantage in terms of personnel allowed them to regain its pre 1911 borders); I'm sure some gas weapons were used but ironically less so than WWI.

How on Earth did the US avoid frying?
 
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So I was recently playing a game of EU4. For those curious, I was playing a custom nation, Hunnia, from my Hunnic Kingdom series. I would go into more detail, but the focus of this is on Qara Qoyonlu. Throughout the game, Qara Qoyonlu shockingly survived by migrating down into Oman, and then from there fending off the Ottomans (and later Revolutionary Turkey*). I imagine Oman would be become Turkic speaking overtime, but would be an offset of traditional Turkic and would probably be even more Arabicized, becoming the "black sheep" of the family, if you will (perhaps the name of this language could be Koyonish).

*yes, god damned Revolutionary Ottomans. Scariest thing I've ever seen in a game. Their very presence sent me into a civil war for the last 50 years of the game

50 years... :V
 
heres a map where the vandals had settled in northern europe and started a war against the western roman empire,the sossians in northern france won a war against the franks and in southern france the occitians revolted against the visigoths and the burgundians, in nothern iberia the celts still live and in roman iberia the hispano-romans got indefendence,in the british iseles the britons banished the anglo-saxons and innorth africa new carthego was estheblished by a king a both roman and chartegonian ancestary, in the east of europe the ostroghots and the crimeam ghots invaded the byzantiene empire while dacia got full indefendence and therica soon will get it to, in north-eastern europe the western slavs setteled in poland the vende(eastern) slavs in russia-ukraine and the southern slavs in the steppe of ukraine, the gepid tribes killed all huns in gepidia and in the midale east the aramean assyrian empire got free and iveded celicia in byzantium and coptic egypt was born in north africa, the christian arabs took over mecca and the saanisid empire is starting to crumble and in the far west the aztecs, mixtecs and mayans are starting to advence thenologecly.
sorry for my bad english and the year in the map is december 471:
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and heres a second map in the series,the year is 687 and islam never rose, the roman empires have collepsed and the olny heratige left is in occitiania-ssosians,the visighots are going to declare a war against assyria aramea, the war is going to be beetween the nestorians of the east vs the chalcedonian faith in the west, the persian empire has finally fallen to the turkish khante whose khan converted to christianity and mixed both tengri,zoroastrian and nestorian belifes and made a new christiuan sect called turik christianity or gotuturkchristos, in the indian subcontinent the indo parthians won a war against the hindus and converted to the nestorian faith, the franks in europe finally fell and the celts in hispenia united under a christian chalcedonian king went on a war against their neighbors the romano-hispanics, in rome the vandals gave the pope his land and in scandinavia the viking age will never start becaus of christian missioners, the egyptians conquered cush and excomuniceted the kingdom of axum from the coptic chruch, the kingdom of axum nomineted their own patriarch, the britons are united under one king and their king reconected with rome, the picts and irish are fully christianized, china is crumbelling under rebel pesents and in the americas the aztecs are a superpower:
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Through the power of 'the author didn't want it to happen'
Eh, it's more like some nukes wasted on non nuclear nations while some nukes were destroyed by nukes from subs, aircraft, and ABMs (it pays to build more of them during the war since why bother abiding by the ABM treaty when the cold war has gone hot?).
 
Why is Able Archer mostly conventional?
Because the Soviets opted to "settle" the crisis by launching a conventional attack on NATO due to the Pershing missiles being deployed earlier than OTL before the crisis, it's exactly how it went down in the Able Archer 83 TL and that one campaign in Wargame: European Escalation; IMO it's the best way to get the Cold War hot in the early 1980's within Europe.
 
Eh, it's more like some nukes wasted on non nuclear nations while some nukes were destroyed by nukes from subs, aircraft, and ABMs (it pays to build more of them during the war since why bother abiding by the ABM treaty when the cold war has gone hot?).

ASB, I'm afraid. With thousands of warheads, the Soviets had plenty of bombs to spare, while the technology to build an effective ABM system didn't exist at the time, nor would there be the time to build one during a WWIII gone hot.
 
Because not making maps was boring.

I haven't seen a map dedicated solely to South America in ages. What's more, whenever a map does feature South America, its usually some kind of appendage of a North America map. Oh, and entirely contingent, easily butterfly-able borders are always maintained, even if the POD is decades, maybe even centuries before those borders were first defined IOTL. Not to mention the fact that the continent usually suffers from some lazy combination of space-filling-empires, with small nations seemingly existing just to be annexed by their larger brethren (a trope I particularly dislike). Its just lazy, and I find it really annoying how common this is. (To be honest, this is a wider problem that Africa, and to a lesser extent Asia also suffer from, that I want to try and rectify. Guess what I'll be mapping next).

This would have been tacked on to the earlier North America map, though time constraints prevented that. Which is fortunate in a way, because it allowed me to make a dedicated South America map to try and offset the worrying trends mentioned above (and even introduce a few new nations in as plausible a way as possible). So yeah, in a way it worked.

OK, rant aside.

As with the last map, things go pretty convergent to OTL 'till the 30's, with the main change being that Brazil dodges the Vargas bullet, and instead gets hit by the veritable tank-shell that is the Integralists when the Great Depression hits. With Brazil under a potty fascist junta, the semi-democracies of the Southern Cone take a sharp veer to the left in response (regional rivalries are a wonderful thing). Hilarity ensues.

Bolivia smashes Paraguay in a different Chaco war, then falls to communism when disillusioned veterans hankering for reform turn on a government they feel has abandoned them. Cue paranoid Brazilian invasion, illicit support for the break-away departments in Bolivia's lowland east, the Brazilian puppetisation of Paraguay, and a very tense stand-off at the Uruguayan border that very nearly sparks a wider, continent-spanning war.

In the fallout from all this, newly communist Bolivia allies itself to the new left-wing Southern Cone Pact (Argentina, Chile and Uruguay), while Brazil props up equally nutty dictatorships in Paraguay, Santa Cruz and El Beni as buffers against the socialist or communist powers to the south and east. They also move into French Guiana during the messy transition from 3rd Republic to 4th Republic. Thus develops a rather farcical parallel Frozen War (The SCP didn't like the Soviet Union's now proven authoritarianism, so took a line of ITTL American style neutrality in the wider Frozen War, while isolated Brazil was a block all by its self), that divides the continent, sees tensions run high, and leads to both Brazil and Argentina developing nukes.

The Brazilian regime finally comes down in the 70's (Instead of being discredited by one truly atrocious regime in the 40's (Nazi Germany was fortunately butterflied ITTL), fascism clings on as a nutty fringe ideology, and is discredited by a string of a dozen or so rather nasty (and often depressingly long lasting) regimes instead), and is replaced by an equally repressive but less ideologically abhorrent military regime. That regime in turn clings on 'till the 90's when it finally succumbs to collapse and is replaced by the (mostly)democratic 4th Brazilian Republic, shedding a few peripheral regions in the process.

Today, the continent remains divided, though along different lines and with fortunately much lower stakes that before.

The SCP is still around, and by now is morphing into an OTL EU style pan-national trade block/economic union thingy, and has successfully incorporated a few of the southern Brazilian break-away states. Still communist Bolivia is an old ally that's beginning to embarrass the rest of the SCP with its old fashioned views on how communism should work (think OTL Cuba, and you'll get a good picture of Bolivian politics). These days the SCP mostly treats it like the proverbial mad old relative in the corner; still accepted in a vague sense as a member of the club, but excluded from any situations where they might say or do something stupid.

Brazil is about as left-wing as the SCP nowdays, though continual mistrust prevents the two blocks from cooperating. Brazil is trying to mimic TTL's America, with autonomous Native American lands and even its own SAR equivalent in the Xingu National Republic, though this isn't quite working out as initially hoped. As a result, the Brazilian sphere of former puppets and a few break-away states is rather isolated diplomatically (and not doing too well because of that).

As for the rest, Peru leads a rather loose conservative block on the west coast, that consistently leans east to the expanding economies of Asia, Venezuela is a military junta that looks likely to collapse any day now, and Colombia is under the rule of a group of left wing populists that would be very easy to confuse with OTL Bolivarians. Two of the Guyana's have both been integrated (in differing ways) directly into their former colonial masters.

The current international pariah is Democratic Cayenne, the last remnant of Integralist Brazil's former sphere of influence, and the last openly fascist state on Earth. Mad, bad, and dangerous to know, the primitive rocket launches from TTL's Kourou launch site are definitely not peaceful.

On a final note, it was shocking just how many basic geography fixes I had to do to bring the base map up to scratch. Seriously, Lake Guri The 10th largest man-made lake in the world by area, 6th largest by volume, isn't even shown on the best base map I could find. Urgh. That was just one of a large raft of fixes I had to make from scratch; everything from adding loads of lakes and ice sheets, to drawing on a rough approximation of Brazil's OTL Native American reservations. That ate up an unreasonable amount of the time it took to make this.

Anyway, enough complaining, the map;
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Apologies again for the typos in the notes; I'm rather tired right now, and I rushed it a little.
 
Did my best to figure out the true size of beyond the wall in ASOIAF:

So we know that GRRM likes to take a lot of inspiration from real world of geography, and we also know that beyond the wall is a pretty large place. However, we also know that Westeros is an island because he clarified that the continents weren't connected. So i compared some pictures of beyond the wall and southern Greenland, and discovered a ton of similarities. I superimposed the two images then came up with a pretty reasonable hypothesis for what the rest of Westeros looks like:
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^Known areas of Westeros with Greenland on top of the corresponding areas

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^My rough estimation of what the complete continent looks like
 
ASB, I'm afraid. With thousands of warheads, the Soviets had plenty of bombs to spare, while the technology to build an effective ABM system didn't exist at the time, nor would there be the time to build one during a WWIII gone hot.
You have a good point there, as the Soviets had much more nukes than the US did at the time in 83 and could "win" a nuclear war if they could; I'm just trying to find an excuse so as to not have the US emerge as some broken up, warlord riddled state at the end of the war and still play an influence in the post war scene.
How on Earth did the US avoid frying?
And I must apologize earlier for misreading that as the entire world not frying rather than just the US.
 
Did my best to figure out the true size of beyond the wall in ASOIAF:

So we know that GRRM likes to take a lot of inspiration from real world of geography, and we also know that beyond the wall is a pretty large place. However, we also know that Westeros is an island because he clarified that the continents weren't connected. So i compared some pictures of beyond the wall and southern Greenland, and discovered a ton of similarities. I superimposed the two images then came up with a pretty reasonable hypothesis for what the rest of Westeros looks like:
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^Known areas of Westeros with Greenland on top of the corresponding areas

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^My rough estimation of what the complete continent looks like

Brilliant! Great work. We need more Planetos/Westeros Maps :p I feel there is a lacking amount of ASOIAF maps :biggrin:
 
I am thinking about making a map where several since collapsed civilizations escaped to the america's and I am having trouble deciding which. So far I have Rome, Mongol Empire (technically a khanate/horde that didnt get the memo about the empire collapsing and is located in Alaska/PNW.), and a surviving norse colony.

Any suggestions?
 
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