Twilight of the Red Tsar
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Not really, this gets him a chance to hobble his enemy, remove some idiots from power, and lay the ground for a new agency.
Plus good PR.
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I imagine that the US' embargo is going to be seen in a far more unfavorable light, since you can blame that for Cuba's poverty, not because of Cuban economic policy.
They can, but the US was one of Cuba's biggest trading partners. Without another large market opening up (which is what happened IOTL when the Soviets got involved) there's really no way to make up for that.
Without getting too political, you can blame a lot of Cuba's economic problems and poverty on the US embargo IOTL.
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If that happens, the embargo is going to look a lot more petty than OTL, and whoever is president will repeal it.
Another thing is now there's a socialist state that is not a command economy but instead a decentralized economy with minimal government interference. Certainly going to make online arguments more heated.
Also what is going on in the Asian Far East (Vietnam, Cambodia, Indonesia) and India (will Indira Gandhi move opportunistically to the center, assuming she comes to power at all TTL?)
Who is ever President at the time would have to weigh whether it's better to a save face and keep it going or better to quietly drop it.
Cuba will probably become the Syndacalist 'cause celebre' and ITTL the embargo will look pretty much as a very petty move by the americans than a legitimate measure. This USA will be a lot different from our as two very definig experience will probably not exist there, i mean the Cuban Crisis and the Vietnam War (unless there will be some analog); also important, no MacNamara as secretary of defence...and i know a website where this will considered a fair exchange with the second holocaust and the mess in China and this can mean that missiles will not take the place of bombers (also because seem that the missiles technologies are a little beyond OTL) and theoretically many programs shelved OTL will be kept as the presidential authoritazion to the field commander to use nuclear weapons in autonomy and naturally the strategy of first-strike and massive retaliation (i said theoretically because while MacNamara take the 'blame' for all that changes, it's was clear that there many that thoughts were needed and so they can still be implemented)
The presence of the Syndacalist party present a lot of changes for the internal politcs of Western Europe and we will probably see some various version of syndacalism as the one developed in nation like Cuba will be very different from what the experience in a country like Italy will produce (it's very probable that Berlinguer will say much much earlier that he stand behind NATO...as while in theory also opposing to the capitalist, the forces of the Warsaw Pact will be seen as a much much more greater menace and i not even consider the religioius nutjub around the world.)
For Italy between the division of Austria (and the western part become a federal state of Germany) and so greatly weakening the local german community (i expect that many will not return unlike OTL), plus i doubt that Germany will be so eager to give political aide to the terrorist due to 'various' reason and the extreme division of the left that can allow in the end some real alternance between the coalition led by DC and the coalition led by the Partito Indipendente Sindacalista Italiano (PISI...just to differentiate from the PSI aka the Partito Socialista Italiano)...basically the 'Years of Lead' can be butterflyed away or at least appear in a much much lessened form.
Israel, well i expect that she will try to enter the EEC/EDC as a form of economic grown and military reassurance as, thanks to the butterflies, they remain an Anglo-French aligned nation and with the second holocaust still fresh even De Gaulle can't throw them to the wolf.
The presence of the Syndacalist party present a lot of changes for the internal politcs of Western Europe and we will probably see some various version of syndacalism as the one developed in nation like Cuba will be very different from what the experience in a country like Italy will produce (it's very probable that Berlinguer will say much much earlier that he stand behind NATO...as while in theory also opposing to the capitalist, the forces of the Warsaw Pact will be seen as a much much more greater menace and i not even consider the religioius nutjub around the world.)
For Italy between the division of Austria (and the western part become a federal state of Germany) and so greatly weakening the local german community (i expect that many will not return unlike OTL), plus i doubt that Germany will be so eager to give political aide to the terrorist due to 'various' reason and the extreme division of the left that can allow in the end some real alternance between the coalition led by DC and the coalition led by the Partito Indipendente Sindacalista Italiano (PISI...just to differentiate from the PSI aka the Partito Socialista Italiano)...basically the 'Years of Lead' can be butterflyed away or at least appear in a much much lessened form.
Israel, well i expect that she will try to enter the EEC/EDC as a form of economic grown and military reassurance as, thanks to the butterflies, they remain an Anglo-French aligned nation and with the second holocaust still fresh even De Gaulle can't throw them to the wolf.
That might be interesting- Israel in the EU* would be quite a thing. Though sadly butterflies might mean Israel is even more imperialist and ruthlessly oppressive of the Palestinians than OTL.
And then he would righteously be blamed by the inevitable famine that would sweep Cuba.
MERRICA
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Yes he would, and he would rightfully be criticized for it but it is a bit jarring that Nixon, the arch crusader of Capitalism would let Cuba survive.
Nixon would understand that starving Cuba would turn the rest of the Third World nations against America. Considering Nixon considers all socialists as Soviet stooges, he would fear that the Third World would turn to the Soviet Union if America made such a disastrous PR move.
MERRICA
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Ehhh are you sure your talking about TTL's Soviet Union, the Soviet Union that ravaged Chinese civilians with genocide and carried out the second Holocaust against the Jews. The same one that is tearing itself apart at the seams with revolution smoldering in the Warsaw Pact. The Third World won't go the Soviet's way.
I am. Nixon just thinks that, if you're a leftist, you're automatically a Soviet stooge. An excerpt from the update:
If Nixon thinks that Syndie Cuba is a Soviet satellite, why wouldn't he think that any pseudo-socialist government in the Third World isn't a Soviet satellite?
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