Just out of curiosity, what would have caused the US and the USSR to go to war in the Second World War, maybe even team up with Germany? I understand that FDR really wanted to have good terms with the Soviets. I’m thinking maybe Hitler is assassinated, Germany goes to war in the East but not the West. Would the US or England have sent funds or supplies, maybe eventually men to fight the USSR?
WWII with USSR as an enemy of US
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Short of carpet nuclear bombing, there's not much anyone can do against a 3rd Reich/USSR Axis. At least on land, anyway. Thrown in Japan as well and it becomes even more lopsided.
U.S. wasn't going to team up with the Nazis, regardless.
An actual functional Soviet/Reich Alliance would be, on the European Peninsula, effectively invincible. The only real question is where on Eurasia it can be stopped, or if the Japanese are included, if it can be stopped across the landmass at all. Maybe the Allies could preserve India and Indonesia, depending on the circumstances. As far as reconquering any part of the European Peninsula? Not a chance, at least not until the "allies" revert to type and tear each other to shreds.
This is, of course, entirely hypothetical. Any actual link up, due to competing interests and mutual hatreds, simply isn't in the cards. Total ASB
An actual functional Soviet/Reich Alliance would be, on the European Peninsula, effectively invincible. The only real question is where on Eurasia it can be stopped, or if the Japanese are included, if it can be stopped across the landmass at all. Maybe the Allies could preserve India and Indonesia, depending on the circumstances. As far as reconquering any part of the European Peninsula? Not a chance, at least not until the "allies" revert to type and tear each other to shreds.
This is, of course, entirely hypothetical. Any actual link up, due to competing interests and mutual hatreds, simply isn't in the cards. Total ASB
Does this have to be Nazi Germany we're talking about? I think the OP specifically mentioned Hitler being assassinated, so obviously him being in power would be out of the question in this scenario. I don't think Germany allying with the USSR was impossible. How about have Goering get into power, who wasn't as big on invading the USSR as Hitler was, or maybe even the Strassers?
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With Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler and the rest of that merry band, yeah, it's ASB. With someone like Goering? Could work. The man put himself above and beyond any petty ideological trappings. Assuming he doesn't decide to suicidally backstab the USSR in morphine-induced haze, that is.
That was such a stupid post of mine (the one quoted) and I realised that so quickly holy shit. I basically just copied and pasted something really dumb I said from, like, two years ago there. Guess I wasn't quick enough lol
(funnily enough, I actually saw someone on DeviantArt write like almost the exact same thing as I did. I actually wrote down something like that on a dead website when I was in my early teens, so either that person must have copied that post or it was an incredible coincidence. Still cringe lol.)
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In the long run a German-USSR alliance becomes a tail wagging the dog with Russia in the driver's seat. This is a big part of why Hitler invaded when he did- he did not want to become economically dependent on the USSR.
The best way to do this is to keep Weimar Republic tottering along, eventually shifting into revolution. There was considerable rapproachment between Interwar Germany and the USSR; absent the Nazis that trend might continue.
The best way to do this is to keep Weimar Republic tottering along, eventually shifting into revolution. There was considerable rapproachment between Interwar Germany and the USSR; absent the Nazis that trend might continue.
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If the KPD rises to power in 1933 instead of the NSDAP then I suppose it's plausible. Also if OTL's German-Soviet Axis Talks are taken more seriously and which could result in the USSR joining the Axis Powers and entering the war against Britain.
Here's an idea: what if World War II was a three-way conflict between the Axis Powers, the USSR and whatever allies it may have, and an alliance including the USA?
Strasser is lucky, we have never had a timeline where Paetel gets into power.
Axis, Allies, USSR, Spain, and Italy as separate belligerents so we can have the Battle of Five Armies outside Basel.
A USSR-Reich alliance probably produces a second world war war with a trashed eurasia and europe being mostly radioactive rubble. I guess it'd be like the coming war in Well's "the shape of things to come" or the WWIII Heinlein kept assuming in his puppet masters/future histtory.