What if the USA joins the entente but France falls to Germany soon after. Would there be an armistice? An early D-Day? (Given how technology was a limiting factor even in 1944, and how Gallipoli went, it probably wouldn't end well for the entente)
WWI:France falls after USA joins
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German Spring Offensive is a success, resulting in an Armistice that ends in a CP victory.
If Germany forces France out of the war, that's basically game over and there will be an armistice with the end result being a Central Powers victory. The Allies in 1918 simply do not have the technology nor the experience in amphibious assault to pull of something like the Normandy landings a generation earlier. It would likely end as badly if not worse than Gallipoli did. If the Allies attempt it, and it does fail, what do the Allies do then? Their other options, such as redeploying to Italy and continuing the war from there do not work either because, from what I could gather, after Caporetto a huge portion of the Italian war effort depended on the French and without France the Italians are almost certainly going to quit after France does. Redeploying to Macedonian front and or the Middle East doesn't work either for the simple reason that the US never declared war on either the Bulgarians or the Ottomans.
Going with a German (overwhelmingly) successful Spring offensive
Unlike WW2 the French would be able to hole up in Brittany, Cherbourg or the south of France and so there would already be a easily defended bridgehead somewhere. The Germans as per usual would overestimate their position so no slightly favorable Central powers peace is an option. Allies would be force to rely on blockade to defeat the Central Powers, but would pick on the Ottomans as per September 1918.
Perhaps a peace conference could happen in the Hague over the Winter 1918-1919, the Austrians and Bulgarians and Ottomans are basically done, and the Germans really can't do anything more militarily, but the Allies can't really defeat the Germans alongside the Seine.
Peace results: back to 1914 borders, except:
Germany loses colonies, but picks up chunks of territory in the east. (which are worth way more than any of the German colonies).
Austria gets a 2 year occupation of Serbia, Albania is now a protectorate.
Bulgaria gets south Dobruja.
Unlike WW2 the French would be able to hole up in Brittany, Cherbourg or the south of France and so there would already be a easily defended bridgehead somewhere. The Germans as per usual would overestimate their position so no slightly favorable Central powers peace is an option. Allies would be force to rely on blockade to defeat the Central Powers, but would pick on the Ottomans as per September 1918.
Perhaps a peace conference could happen in the Hague over the Winter 1918-1919, the Austrians and Bulgarians and Ottomans are basically done, and the Germans really can't do anything more militarily, but the Allies can't really defeat the Germans alongside the Seine.
Peace results: back to 1914 borders, except:
Germany loses colonies, but picks up chunks of territory in the east. (which are worth way more than any of the German colonies).
Austria gets a 2 year occupation of Serbia, Albania is now a protectorate.
Bulgaria gets south Dobruja.
If the Spring Offensive goes Germany’s way, the war is over. There won’t be trench warfare in Occitania.
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70% of French war production is in the environs of Paris and the U.S. military was dependent on that too for everything beyond basic things like rifles; the reason U.S. artillery is in metric to this day is because of use of French guns during the Great War, for example.