WI: The space program wasn't given to the NACA?

I found out from this (www.nasa.gov/history/monograph10/nasabrth.html) that after Sputnik had gone up and the space program was becoming higher on the priority list, there were a few options for how the US would reorganize the space program, the options were:

1. Make a new government agency for it.

2. Assign the space program to the Atomic Energy Commission(AEC).

3. Give control of the space program to the NACA. This is what happened in OTL

4. Assign the space program to ARPA (Now called DARPA)

How would the space program be different if any of those other options were taken instead of giving the space program to NACA? How would it affect the space race? Would we be more advanced in space exploration today?
 
Last edited:
1) is the most likly beyond what was Don otl.
2) Why in the world would the Atomic Energy Commity get the Space program? It has nothing to do with space nor does it have any of the skills needed to run a space program..
3) The most likly if you want a civilian agency as NACA was the closest to a space agency at the time dealing with aircraft and what have you so had some of the right skills and knowledge.
4) ARPA was not likly as it was not yet what it would become as DARPA.

5) Give it to the Airforce. As long as you are OK with it being military this is pretty logical.
6) Give. It to the Navy. The Logic being that some of the knowledge of submarines can be used as a jumping off point for breathing in Vacuum.
7) Create a combined Military Operation. In effect creat a Space Force and draw from both Air Force and Navy, (I think if it remains a military operation this is likely)
 
2) Why in the world would the Atomic Energy Commity get the Space program? It has nothing to do with space nor does it have any of the skills needed to run a space program..
They had one space program: the Orion Nuclear Puls Engine (chancel 1963)

In 1957 was dispute who will run US space program.
USAF, US Navy, Army or NACA?
President Eisenhower took Civilian option took NACA what became NASA

Has He look into option for United States Space Force ?
 
2) Why in the world would the Atomic Energy Commity get the Space program? It has nothing to do with space nor does it have any of the skills needed to run a space program..
Because the mid-1950s USAF was looking very seriously at nuclear propulsion for aircraft and rockets (e.g. Project Rover, Project Pluto) and was already working jointly with the AEC on those.

Hope everyone in that Florida gets free iodine pills.
 
Last edited:
Yes, but this would be like giving the Nuclear bombers and or the ICBM subs (boomers) to the AEC.
They new nothing about building anything like a space crafts. They knew how to build nukes.
 
How would the space program be different if any of those other options were taken instead of giving the space program to NACA? How would it affect the space race?
NASA wasn't created until mid-1958. The initial solution in the aftermath of Sputnik had been ARPA, which struggled from its birth to make headway against the ambitions of the Army and Air Force, both of whom were keenly interested in being the principal agency responsible for as much of space-related endeavors as possible. While there were a multitude of reasons why Ike wanted a civilian space program, that the services -- and the Air Force in particular -- had not covered themselves in glory in the immediate aftermath of Sputnik was one of them.

In many ways, the Space Race was ultimately a bureaucratic fight between a variety agencies in Washington over who would have primacy. The Navy had some ambitious ideas that never went anywhere (RIP HATV, magnificent mess that you were) and by 1958 was out of the running due to the Vanguard TV-3 debacle. But through NRL would remain a major player in the space sciences and satellites, with the Transit satellite navigation system being a testament to that. The Army was still dreaming about Moonbases. Or at the very least Werner von Braun and Redstone were, and that was formidable asset. And even when Redstone was transferred to NASA and became MSFC, the Army -- like the Navy -- continued to be active in satellite programs throughout the Sixties, especially regarding telecommunications satellites. As it was Army-related contracts that produced the Courier satellites. It also produced ADVENT, the less of which is said the better, given just how large of a dumpster fire that ended up being. And then there was the USAF, that also wanted Moonbases -- and gave us the glorious OG SLS to get there -- as well as Dynasoar, Blue Gemini, and MOL. ...all of which ultimately fell by the wayside, but it was not preordained that would occur, even if MOL is kind of doomed from a practicality perspective. That didn't stop the USAF from continuing to want a piece of the space pie and why, while there was no official Blue Shuttle program, you absolute find the idea in the margins of a lot the USAF's participation in the Shuttle program. (Which is also why it turns up a fair bit in allohistorical Shuttle TLs.)

Given the size and scale of the bureaucratic struggles occurring in Washington, you can certainly affect the Space Race with different agencies attaining different levels of success. But the scale of those impacts depend a great deal upon your inputs, with the results being anything and everything imaginable depending upon just what you're tinkering with.

Would we be more advanced in space exploration today?
I doubt it would be more advanced. Different, certainly, but not clearly more sophisticated. A larger involvement by the services means you probably avoid many of the boom-and-bust funding issues that plagued NASA in the post-Apollo malaise. But it also probably becomes more difficult to get purely scientific programs funded, at least when they're competing with more service-oriented projects for resources.

2) Why in the world would the Atomic Energy Commity get the Space program? It has nothing to do with space nor does it have any of the skills needed to run a space program..
Because the Atomic Energy Commission represented the best known example of a civilian organization tasked with managing the duality of a mission that involved purely civilian scientific research and highly classified state secrets of immense national importance. As space, first and foremost, was important because of its role in strategic nuclear warfare: It is the medium, after all, that warheads from ballistic missiles passed through on their way to their targets. The AEC was already integral to the development and maintenance of the nation's nuclear inventory, as well as being involved in early space research through its participation in the various re-entry vehicle trials undertaken at Woomera and White Sands.

Hope everyone in that Florida gets free iodine pills.
Now, now. That's unfair. Simple physics ensure that won't be necessary, as a solid-core nuclear-thermal rocket in the Fifties or Sixties just doesn't have an attractive enough TWR to make it worth even trying to irradiate Great American Desert in the quest to turn it into a viable launch vehicle.

Yes, but this would be like giving the Nuclear bombers and or the ICBM subs (boomers) to the AEC.
Yes if it would, if for some reason you wanted a non-military organization to operate boomers. As the AEC was an agency which had established working relations with the military while not being part of it, which had a track record of managing the complex interplay between military necessity and the agency's fundamentally civilian nature.
 
Because the Atomic Energy Commission represented the best known example of a civilian organization tasked with managing the duality of a mission that involved purely civilian scientific research and highly classified state secrets of immense national importance. As space, first and foremost, was important because of its role in strategic nuclear warfare: It is the medium, after all, that warheads from ballistic missiles passed through on their way to their targets. The AEC was already integral to the development and maintenance of the nation's nuclear inventory, as well as being involved in early space research through its participation in the various re-entry vehicle trials undertaken at Woomera and White Sands.
Would you say that the AEC would have been better suited to fulfill both military and civilian related space programs compared to NASA or the service branches? Curious if they would have pushed more for nuclear engines or reactors in space compared to NASA given their purview.
 
Yes, but this would be like giving the Nuclear bombers and or the ICBM subs (boomers) to the AEC.
They new nothing about building anything like a space crafts. They knew how to build nukes.

Suitable or not, the AEC was lobbying hard to get it: they assumed spaceflight would require atomic rockets and did not want any other agency controlling those.
 
Would you say that the AEC would have been better suited to fulfill both military and civilian related space programs compared to NASA or the service branches?
It would have been as suited as anyone, given the intense newness of everything related to space rocketry. An example would be Dr. Harvey Hall, who would wear a great many hates from 1945 to 1973, when he retired from public service as NASA's Chief Scientist for Manned Spaceflight. He was, by professional training, a nuclear physicist and quite literally the first graduate of Oppenheimer's quantum mechanics doctoral program. But he was also chaired the Navy's Committee for Evaluating the Feasibility on Space Rocketry which was the first serious attempt by any of the services to develop a purpose-built satellite launcher, a 10'-diameter hydrolox SSTO that would become the High Altitude Test Vehicle. He'd become enamored with LH2 through simply applying basic chemistry principles, as hydrolox offered the most energetic propellant combination. (He also had an unhealthy interest of diborane in early on for the same reason, but that's another discussion.)

The point being that, in the time period, there's a considerable amount of crossover in terms of talent and interests, so while the AEC might not have much institutional competence in this regard, no else really does either prior to 1958 and it's relatively easy to build it because it's for the most part institutional virgin ground.

Curious if they would have pushed more for nuclear engines or reactors in space compared to NASA given their purview.
I don't think there's an explicit push for it, no, due to the fact that there was a considerable amount of technological maturation that was needed in any event.
 
Top