How would the US have responded if the US tried to invade Alaska to re-conquer it during the Cold War to establish a beachhead in North America? How would the US have responded?
WI: Soviet Union tries to re-capture Alaska during the Cold War?
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The only way this is even remotely feasible is if the United States somehow collapses into some Rumsfeldia style societal break down.
Would you ever so kindly leave our sovereign territory at your earliest convenience?
It depends.
If Stalin orders this in the 1950s, in the throes of dementia, nevertheless he will be obeyed and there will be a full WWIII exchange, which fortunately involves "only" 1950s arsenal delivered by bombers, followed by an Alaskan -> Siberian -> Moscow ground campaign to wipe out their conventional forces we haven't nuked.
If Kruschev orders this in the 1960s, there is a brief incursion until he is shot and the troops recalled, hopefully before it escalates to either side turning their launch keys.
The only way Brezhnev would order this in the 1970s would be if it's a recon mission to look for food or fuel, after the full nuclear exchange already occurred and both sides are almost out of warheads.
I will skip the 80s, Gorbachev would not do this nor any of his bench-warmer predecessors.
If Stalin orders this in the 1950s, in the throes of dementia, nevertheless he will be obeyed and there will be a full WWIII exchange, which fortunately involves "only" 1950s arsenal delivered by bombers, followed by an Alaskan -> Siberian -> Moscow ground campaign to wipe out their conventional forces we haven't nuked.
If Kruschev orders this in the 1960s, there is a brief incursion until he is shot and the troops recalled, hopefully before it escalates to either side turning their launch keys.
The only way Brezhnev would order this in the 1970s would be if it's a recon mission to look for food or fuel, after the full nuclear exchange already occurred and both sides are almost out of warheads.
I will skip the 80s, Gorbachev would not do this nor any of his bench-warmer predecessors.
Per Clausewitz, either option would be a diplomatic response.
I can't imagine any Soviet leader, even dementia-ridden Stalin, giving an invasion order and then living longer than 5 minutes to find out how it ends up.
Like the diplomatic response to Pearl Harbor, culminating in the notes of two diplomats named Fat Man and Little Boy.
People are paying too much attention to the body. The title is “tries to re-capture,” not "opposed multiple corps landing."
In 1954 the Khrushchev summarised political committee decides that humiliating the United States via its back door is essential. The chosen method is patient long term work with indigenous communities via covert organisations: the matter is not treated as a political "Delegate to CPUSA" item, but rather as an internal state matter in a constituent republic merely occupied by a foreign power. As such the underground network is recruited from Americans who are recuited by front organisations recruited by front organisations, with little if at all direct connection back to official Soviet Views. This increases the effectiveness of the activity as, on the surface level, it seems to be protestant charity combined with some kind of national self-respect stuff.
Obviously the attempt to re-capture fails, but results in a very different 1970s in Alaska as a variety of the seeded and economically assisted talented tenth / bourgeois nationalist / anti-US pro-indigenous stuff percolates. Possibly peaking at cross borders criminal undergrounds. Giving Canada and Washington State a messier 1980s as well. The current status is a low intensity primarily criminal cross-border network of anti-state conducts, combined with an inherent anti-US and partially anti-government mentality in indigenous communities. This makes Alaskan policing 'fun' for all involved. It also makes Alaska viewed internationally as a festering ulcer of hypocrisy.
yours,
Sam R.
In 1954 the Khrushchev summarised political committee decides that humiliating the United States via its back door is essential. The chosen method is patient long term work with indigenous communities via covert organisations: the matter is not treated as a political "Delegate to CPUSA" item, but rather as an internal state matter in a constituent republic merely occupied by a foreign power. As such the underground network is recruited from Americans who are recuited by front organisations recruited by front organisations, with little if at all direct connection back to official Soviet Views. This increases the effectiveness of the activity as, on the surface level, it seems to be protestant charity combined with some kind of national self-respect stuff.
Obviously the attempt to re-capture fails, but results in a very different 1970s in Alaska as a variety of the seeded and economically assisted talented tenth / bourgeois nationalist / anti-US pro-indigenous stuff percolates. Possibly peaking at cross borders criminal undergrounds. Giving Canada and Washington State a messier 1980s as well. The current status is a low intensity primarily criminal cross-border network of anti-state conducts, combined with an inherent anti-US and partially anti-government mentality in indigenous communities. This makes Alaskan policing 'fun' for all involved. It also makes Alaska viewed internationally as a festering ulcer of hypocrisy.
yours,
Sam R.
The Soviet invasion force gets destroyed by tactical nuclear weapons. The Soviets lob some nukes against Alaskan targets. Things escalate to a full nuclear exchange. It's a suicidal idea, which the Soviets would never even contemplate unless the US is in some kind of hardly imaginable state of break-up.
Do you think the Soviets could pull it off in some sorta Rumsfeldia type scenario?
Don't know enough about Rumsfeldia to say. I'm not familiar with it. Would you gimme a recap?
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To make things extremely short the radicalism and chaos of the 1970s just continues on and gets worse, a deranged Donald Rumsfeld gets elected president in the 80s and basically attempts to become anarcho-capitalist Stalin which predictably has absolutely catastrophic consequences for general living standards, and this ultimately culminates in the entire country collapsing into a brutal civil war after the Christian Values crazies stage a coup.Fear, Loathing and Gumbo on the Campaign Trail '72
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In such a scenario a Soviet invasion might succeed given that Alaska appears to have seceded from the United States. It has such a small population that the Soviets could just overwhelm it with numerical superiority.