That was one time I think one case by case basis the Germans and Italians and Russian Americans for matter were more disloyal.
Were German, Italin and Russian community leaders also rounded up and arrested?
That was one time I think one case by case basis the Germans and Italians and Russian Americans for matter were more disloyal.
Were German, Italin and Russian community leaders also rounded up and arrested?
No for some mysterious reason they were not, if your agruing that interment was a good thing I'm going to disagree vehemently. I think your lumping our Japanese with the the other Japanese which is simply wrong.
If so, in a historical twist the Hawaii Democratic Revolution of 1954 may turn violent and result in independent Hawaii.
Do not forget, out of 6 principal leaders of revolution of 1954, 3 were of Japanese ancestry. With more US-living citizens sent to European front, both number of veteran Japanese ancestry survivors and their resentment of the "cannon fodder" tactics of US leadership will drastically increase (casualties among US Japanese in Europe were 93%). I can imagine Daniel Inouye declaring independence of Hawaii or some of Hawaii islands (with some Soviet assistance) in ~1958. As soon as Sovier R-7 Semyorka ICBM development is complete in 1957, the Pacific coast is in range of fire from Hawaii. Look on this like on the Pacific version of the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Bear in mind though that the American Government did actually investigate on the loyalties of Japanese-Americans living in the Western United States, when the report was finished its author (Curtis B. Munson) stated in it that while there were some isues, by and large they where very loyal to the United States.
I'll continue to emphsise the fact that the Japanese have relatively recent immigration history to the United States and had close connections to the Home Islands, and the fact that Americans reached a blood-boil rate of anti-Japanese sentiment by the end of the war; without Japanese Internment God knows how many angry Americans would try to lynch Japanese-Americans.
Let's not forget the United States was the same country that ultimately came as far as this:
If I may ask, who were they investigating? The ones interned or the ones in the Army?
Furthermore is there possibility of this changing if the Japanese-Americans were to come in direct contact with the rise of anti-Japanese sentiment throughout the war?
If there wasn't riots right after pearl habor there wasn't going to be riots it's like if the U.S. desided to intern Arab Americans in 2004. That excuse that it was for the safety of the Japanese Americans looks thin especially since it was never the reasoning of the politicians who inacted interment.
I use this quote to assist my argument:You're overblowing the whole anti-Japanese thing; honestly. Americans were anti-Japanese, yes, but they weren't going to start killing them indiscriminately or relegating them to third-class status behind blacks. There were many racial spats, but not full-on riots.
Even before this quote there was mention of a "Jap hunting license", a faux-governmental document allowing the "hunt". Not only does this quote show that anti-Japanese sentiment was reinforced over time, not exploded, but also that Americans did hate the Japanese more than Germans or Italians; sure, we didn't see full-on riots OTL. But if Japanese-Americans were in direct interaction with other Americans during the course of the war I wouldn't remove such riots from being a possibility. Scrap that, quote me on saying the possibilities of such riots occurring very high. Extremely high.Edmund Russell writes that, whereas in Europe Americans perceived themselves to be struggling against "great individual monsters", such as Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, and Joseph Goebbels, Americans often saw themselves fighting against a "nameless mass of vermin", in regards to Japan.[17] Russell attributes this to the outrage of Americans in regards to the bombing of Pearl Harbor, the Bataan Death March, American politicians decrying the killing of American POWs in the hands of Imperial Japanese forces, and the perceived "inhuman tenacity" demonstrated in the refusal of Imperial forces to surrender. Kamikaze suicide bombings, according to John Morton Blum, were instrumental in confirming this stereotype of the "insane martial spirit" of Imperial Japan, and the bigoted picture it would engender of the Japanese people as a whole.[18]
If so, in a historical twist the Hawaii Democratic Revolution of 1954 may turn violent and result in independent Hawaii.
Do not forget, out of 6 principal leaders of revolution of 1954, 3 were of Japanese ancestry. With more US-living citizens sent to European front, both number of veteran Japanese ancestry survivors and their resentment of the "cannon fodder" tactics of US leadership will drastically increase (casualties among US Japanese in Europe were 93%). I can imagine Daniel Inouye declaring independence of Hawaii or some of Hawaii islands (with some Soviet assistance) in ~1958. As soon as Sovier R-7 Semyorka ICBM development is complete in 1957, the Pacific coast is in range of fire from Hawaii. Look on this like on the Pacific version of the Cuban Missile Crisis.
I'll continue to emphsise the fact that the Japanese have relatively recent immigration history to the United States and had close connections to the Home Islands, and the fact that Americans reached a blood-boil rate of anti-Japanese sentiment by the end of the war; without Japanese Internment God knows how many angry Americans would try to lynch Japanese-Americans.
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Even before this quote there was mention of a "Jap hunting license", a faux-governmental document allowing the "hunt". Not only does this quote show that anti-Japanese sentiment was reinforced over time, not exploded, but also that Americans did hate the Japanese more than Germans or Italians; sure, we didn't see full-on riots OTL. But if Japanese-Americans were in direct interaction with other Americans during the course of the war I wouldn't remove such riots from being a possibility. Scrap that, quote me on saying the possibilities of such riots occurring very high. Extremely high.
BS. As I stated above, tens of thousands of Japanese Americans were released during the war. From a high of over 110,000 in May 1942, by January 1944 there were 92,000 remaining in camps, reduced further to 82,000 by June of that year. So there were tens of thousands of Japanese Americans interacting with white Americans during the height of the war. There were no race riots or lynchings. Your speculations do not stand up against historical facts.
I agree what the chances of pro-communist uprising on Hawaii would be slim from the military standpoint. Well, if i would be a Daniel Inoue in such situation..i will write a following plan.For a preview of how a territory violently succeeding from the USA would go down, please see the Civil War. Except now it's one territory against the entire continental US, which already has significant military units deployed in that territory, which will presumably stay loyal. The USSR aint going to touch an independent Hawaii with a ten foot pole, else the US and NATO are going to have casus belli to begin openly interfering with any Eastern European country that wants to escape the smothering embrace of Mother Russia. And it would be hilariously optimistic to say that Hawaii has perhaps two weeks in this scenario before it's forcibly subjugated, courtesy of the USMC. I mean, what are you going to do, try to seize Pearl Harbor in a coup de main and then fight off a USN attack with a bunch of untrained recruits operating undermanned ships?
There would be mass lynchings and general mob violence directed towards Japanese-Americans and Japanese-Canadians (and probably other Asians too) throughout the war all up and down the West Coast. White Americans and Canadians on the West Coast engaged in routine mob violence against Asian immigrants as recently as a generation before World War II and would be more than happy to do it again.
Not that this in any way justifies the actions of the United States or Canadian governments during or after internment.
No there wouldn't. They didn't lynch or mob-kill any Japanese during this time-period, because there were many who were released during the war (before the general release).
It's not that's why they interned the japanese anyway. It's nothing but
apologetics.
It blows the mind that people think the situation of Japanese Americans would be worse had they not been interned.