Actually a certain Prince Ferdinand of Aragon was at one point thought as a good match for her.
Yup, but at one point (before Isabella was heiress of Castille) Ferdinand's and Mary's parents discussed a potential engagement.Nah... Isabella of Castille was far better than Mary...
Yup, but at one point (before Isabella was heiress of Castille) Ferdinand's and Mary's parents discussed a potential engagement.
You forget how messy that situation was. Isabella was her brother's heiress, but her brother conspired against her to make his daughter the heiress. The Aragonese could have concluded Isabella wasn't worth the trouble.Indeed... but when Isabella becomes heiress of Castille any deals with Burgundy would have been called off in order to achieve the Iberian Union...
Indeed... but when Isabella becomes heiress of Castille any deals with Burgundy would have been called off in order to achieve the Iberian Union...
Unless Isabella is already married at that time. She married Ferdinand not because she wanted an Iberian Union, but because:
a) The armies of Aragon would help her to make good her claim to Castile against the supporters of Joanna la Beltraneja.
b) Ferdinand had the same age as her. Isabella refused Alfonso V of Portugal because he was too old for her.
If Joanna la Beltraneja had never being born, then probably Isabella, as the only recognized heir of Castile, would need to accept more the decisions of Henry IV. Considering that Henry IV hated John II of Aragon, then probably she would be married to John II of Portugal, or to Charles, Duke of Berry. The first idea is interesting, since it give us Portugal and Castille united, while Aragon remains independent. But the second one, if Charles VIII of France still dies childless, could give union a Castilian-French personal union.
I really want to find a way to have Mary of Burgundy married to Charles VIII. Adding the entire Burgundian Inheritance to the French crown would be very interesting, and it would create HUGE butterflies with serious balance of power consequences. Charles VIII marrying Mary instead of Anne of Brittany would also be a big difference, and Brittany's future would probably continue outside the French crown's control.
I'm not so sure that Brittany could continue independent for too long ITTL. A France kingdom united with Burgundy would probably be stronger, and they could simply annex it. Brittany is isolated from other important powers, except by England through the sea, but I think the English wouldn't be interested in declaring wars against France to protect it (well, at least I can't see Henry VII doing it).
The OTL ones considered?
1) Duke of Clarence. Brother of Edward IV. She could also have married Edward, had his wife died.
2) Charles, brother of Louis XI. If he had lived, then perhaps. The Duchy of Guyenne would have been his feif as well. Probably it all falls to louis when his brother dies; he was... a moron, basically. Effects of a french amsterdam?
3)Francis of Brittany. In 1471 he entertained the possibility. Louis tried to lie to him by saying that the burgundians were impotent. With England, the Duke would be well positioned to split up France.
s4) Nicholas of Anjou. Perhaps. Lorraine joined to the low countries by ties of marriage. Happy Anjou...
5) Phillip, elector of the palatinate. Now we're getting somewhere.
6) Charles VIII. Merger with France. Capital may be moved, but perhaps not.
7) Philibert of Savoy. Isn't this effectively Lotharingia?
Matthais Corvinus;2496982 Dead said:Probably not, but had he not died and his betrothal resulted in marriage, then there is little he could probably do about it. He attempted to have the Pope prevent the marriage and failed. Berri would then likely end up as co- regent with his sister Anne if not sole regent for the underage Charles when Louis dies.[/B]
It would get a united Burgundy France though if Charles still dies without male issue as Berri would be the senior male line over Francis of Orleans.
How that plays out during the French wars of Religion would be interesting with a much stronger Hugenot presence in a Valois-Berri/Guyenne and Burgogne France. You would have the Duke of Bourbon in the south and the house of Orange in the north and scattered influential Hugenot strongholds in between
I like it. I like England better though. A surviving Yorkist line in the person of Edward V would be nice. English Brittany would be even better.
Probably not, but had he not died and his betrothal resulted in marriage, then there is little he could probably do about it. He attempted to have the Pope prevent the marriage and failed. Berri would then likely end up as co- regent with his sister Anne if not sole regent for the underage Charles when Louis dies.
It would get a united Burgundy France though if Charles still dies without male issue as Berri would be the senior male line over Francis of Orleans.
How that plays out during the French wars of Religion would be interesting with a much stronger Hugenot presence in a Valois-Berri/Guyenne and Burgogne France. You would have the Duke of Bourbon in the south and the house of Orange in the north and scattered influential Hugenot strongholds in between.
Berri would probably be contesting the regency with sister Anne of France/the Duke of Bourbon and the Duke of Orleans. If Berri living is the POD and Charles the Bold dies on time, then in 1483 Berri would appear the best positioned to seize control of the regency.
So the POD is that Berry doesn't die in 1472, and instead lives about as long as his brother (60 years).
That would be Louis of Orleans, OTL's Louis XII, assuming that Barry and Mary are able to have children, which since Berry isn't dying of veneral disease is the POD seems plausible.
Oops, I thought I might be a bit out of sequence here. Ahead of myself I guess.
The Wars of Religion? How about the Valois-Hapsburg Wars that are apparently aborted by this turn of events? Who is Maximilian going to marry if Mary of Burgundy is out? If Burgundy is French, then the German states might be staying in closer line behind the Hapsburg Emperor.
If Berri does seize the regency he is going to be confronted with the same dilema that Anne has in the "mad war". Since Charles is set to gian the throne of France he may simply devolve some powers back to the Dukes of his own accord. It will bite him in the ass if his own son stands to inherit the whole thing. I had tentatively thought to have him arrange a marriage between a son (tentatively scheduled for arrival in 1476/77) and Anne of Brittany during that course to strengthen the hand of Burgundy when Charles gains his majority. I had also thought that tentatively, Charles the bold need not die at Nancy as he would well have the support of his son-in-law.
Mary will still have to grant the historical priviledges in the Netherlands if he does die as I don't think Louis would want his brother that powerful while his own son was a minor so his help might be reluctant at best.
As to Maximillian, Christina of Saxony, necessitating a different bride for Johan of Denmark (Sophie of Pommerania perhaps or if the daughter of Karl Knudsson's third marriage is old enough....... I can't really find a lot of records for her)
Charles will still get the Angevin claims on Naples, but it depends on if he feels confident enough in France to pursue them. If Charles the Bold has died by this time, then that leaves Berri in Burgundy set to inherit if Charles has also still lost his son to measles, in which case he may have Berri's backing.
The Italian wars could very well still occur just in a suomewhat different context and with France in a much stronger position vis a vis both the Emperor and Spain.