WI: Hitler family moves to Ireland in 1903

What happens if after Alois Hitler Sr. dies in 3 January 1903, Klara decides to move her family to Dublin in Ireland to reunite with her son Alois Hitler Jr?
 
What happens if after Alois Hitler Sr. dies in 3 January 1903, Klara decides to move her family to Dublin in Ireland to reunite with her son Alois Hitler Jr?
That would be interesting, because supposedly, Hitler's teenage and young adult experiences in Vienna drove him to hate Jews as much as he did. But then, what could be his role in the brief civil war between 1921 and 1923?
 
Hitler could have been a liaison between the Easter Rising rebels and the Imperial German government.
 

TimTurner

Kicked
Her son Alois invites her wanting to take care of her. Simple as that. Of course this may reinforce Hitler's hatred of the British and he still departs for Germany.
Imagine this Adolf talking about Lebensraum in Western Europe and the British colonies instead of Eastern Europe.
 
Hitler might end up missing the Great War altogether - Ireland lacked conscription.

A lot depends on whether he starts identifying as Irish or not. I could see him resonating with certain themes in hardline Irish nationalism, but his own obsession with race might stop that sense of identification.
 
Imagine this Adolf talking about Lebensraum in Western Europe and the British colonies instead of Eastern Europe.
Ehh… The course of history is very fragile, and Hitler's virulent racism (while surprisingly similar to what many Europeans thought [take note of the expulsions carried out by multiple European nations with the objective of ethnic purity, even after WW2 ended (which is one of the reasons ethnic purity is so strong in certain countries today)]) did take some time to take shape IOTL and ITTL is unlikely to take as extreme a path as it did IOTL.
 
But then, what could be his role in the brief civil war between 1921 and 1923?
If he became as much of an Irish nationalist as he was a German nationalist OTL then he'd most likely be anti-treaty and regard the pro-treatyites as traitors who stabbed the IRA in the back. The Anglo-Irish Treaty was only ratified by a vote of 64 to 57, if Hitler was an anti-treaty TD during the treaty debates his charisma might end up radically changing Irish history.
 
If he became as much of an Irish nationalist as he was a German nationalist OTL then he'd most likely be anti-treaty and regard the pro-treatyites as traitors who stabbed the IRA in the back. The Anglo-Irish Treaty was only ratified by a vote of 64 to 57, if Hitler was an anti-treaty TD during the treaty debates his charisma might end up radically changing Irish history.
On the other hand as a “blow in” would he have such influence level?
 
If he became as much of an Irish nationalist as he was a German nationalist OTL then he'd most likely be anti-treaty and regard the pro-treatyites as traitors who stabbed the IRA in the back. The Anglo-Irish Treaty was only ratified by a vote of 64 to 57, if Hitler was an anti-treaty TD during the treaty debates his charisma might end up radically changing Irish history.
In OTL, his assertive charisma came in his native German language. Moving to Ireland at age 14 means he learns English/Irish after early childhood and thus has an accent. That could influence his appeal.
 

Ramontxo

Donor
In OTL, his assertive charisma came in his native German language. Moving to Ireland at age 14 means he learns English/Irish after early childhood and thus has an accent. That could influence his appeal.
Quite true but on the other hand Joseph Conrad first language was polish and he did master a second language...
 
He dies an unknown citizen of Dublin, with no impact on history.



People are products of their places and times: Hitler growing up in Dublin will not have any of the influences or political circumstances that make him recognisable in our timeline, any more than the Roosevelts moving to Hamburg in the 1860s will mean that Chancellor Franklin Delano would guide Germany into an age of social democracy.
 
Ah, old Addy Hitler. Now that's a story.

His funny accent keeps him from any real success as an orator, but his love for his adoptive home Ireland is as passionate as that for his adopted home Germany in OTL. He writes some fairly muddled pamphlets in favour of Irish independence that become a moderate hit in the period 1919-1923 (despite their fairly chaotic structure and unclear language). It's not enough to make him anything like a realistic candidate in politics, but it makes him an "artistic type" who is associated with the Irish cause. Sort of a Tom Payne, perhaps.

Meanwhile, he's still interested in painting. He's gotten into art school, and although he is rather bad with painting people (and often gets the angles on buildings a bit wrong), the political upheavals disrupt his education. By the time he picks it up again, politically sympathetic professors ensure that he graduates. The move to Ireland comes as a great blessing to him, artistically. His vaguely impressionist paintings of the Irish coast are a big hit, partially because it's the sort of subject that suits him best-- and partially because his well-known name ensures that his work gets more popular than it perhaps deserves to be.

In Ireland, a "Hitler" nowadays means "a foreigner who is a decent enough man to be called honourary Irish". In England, conversely, "Hitler" is a derogatory term for a work of art that lacks quality but is loved by idiots. ("Seen that silly banana taped to the wall? Now that's what I'd call a total Hitler!")
 
Ah, old Addy Hitler. Now that's a story.

His funny accent keeps him from any real success as an orator, but his love for his adoptive home Ireland is as passionate as that for his adopted home Germany in OTL. He writes some fairly muddled pamphlets in favour of Irish independence that become a moderate hit in the period 1919-1923 (despite their fairly chaotic structure and unclear language). It's not enough to make him anything like a realistic candidate in politics, but it makes him an "artistic type" who is associated with the Irish cause. Sort of a Tom Payne, perhaps.

Meanwhile, he's still interested in painting. He's gotten into art school, and although he is rather bad with painting people (and often gets the angles on buildings a bit wrong), the political upheavals disrupt his education. By the time he picks it up again, politically sympathetic professors ensure that he graduates. The move to Ireland comes as a great blessing to him, artistically. His vaguely impressionist paintings of the Irish coast are a big hit, partially because it's the sort of subject that suits him best-- and partially because his well-known name ensures that his work gets more popular than it perhaps deserves to be.

In Ireland, a "Hitler" nowadays means "a foreigner who is a decent enough man to be called honourary Irish". In England, conversely, "Hitler" is a derogatory term for a work of art that lacks quality but is loved by idiots. ("Seen that silly banana taped to the wall? Now that's what I'd call a total Hitler!")
I love that idea very much
 
So here's my idea:
Hitler moves to Ireland, doesn't get drafted. He meets a girl named Ciara after the Civil War, and they become close. He proposes, and later marries her in 1928. They have three children in 1932: Wilhelm, Edward, and Niamh. They move to NYC in 1942, and he starts his artistic career. He becomes famous for his realistic depictions of city streets, buildings, and people. His art is shown at museums throughout the U.S. and Europe, and he becomes a multi-millionaire. His children become pretty successful in their own rites. Wilhelm becomes a star NFL player, but his career is cut short after a leg injury in 1960, Edward becomes a history teacher for a local high school, and Niamh moves back to Ireland and lives her life away from the public eye. Ciara dies in 1974, and Hitler eventually dies in 1979. His funeral is attended by 37,000 people, among them are politicians and other important figures.
 
So here's my idea:
Hitler moves to Ireland, doesn't get drafted. He meets a girl named Ciara after the Civil War, and they become close. He proposes, and later marries her in 1928. They have three children in 1932: Wilhelm, Edward, and Niamh. They move to NYC in 1942, and he starts his artistic career. He becomes famous for his realistic depictions of city streets, buildings, and people. His art is shown at museums throughout the U.S. and Europe, and he becomes a multi-millionaire. His children become pretty successful in their own rites. Wilhelm becomes a star NFL player, but his career is cut short after a leg injury in 1960, Edward becomes a history teacher for a local high school, and Niamh moves back to Ireland and lives her life away from the public eye. Ciara dies in 1974, and Hitler eventually dies in 1979. His funeral is attended by 37,000 people, among them are politicians and other important figures.
That seems a tad complicated.
 
These scenarios always seem to skip over the fact that he missed out on art school because he was a thoroughly mediocre painter. He might have sold a few watercolors at the local rotary club, but he never had any of the originality of thought or interest in the soul that characterises a great artist.
 
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