Broadly, the idea is Delayed Napoleonic invasion of Russia leads to a successful first Serbian revolt.
Broad European effects of Napoleons invasion of Russia being delayed by a year?
Thoughts on if the First Serbian revolt succeeded?
I've become interested in the possibility of the First Serbian Uprising succeeding. Not Ičko's peace but a more extensive victory. I intend to make at least one map, and see if I get inspired to do more.
I was considering the dual POD of Petar Dobrnjac and Miloje Petrović not getting into an argument leading to a victory at Čegar and Napoleon getting sick before the invasion of Russia and delaying it in order to lead it personally when he recovered, allowing Russia to continue splitting Ottoman resources. The latter could have big implications for Europe, though, which is why I wanted some feedback on.
I do have more ideas for Serbia, obviously, but help there would also be appreciated.
I figure that Karađorđe's plan for a joint offensive in Raška, Zeta, and Kosovo with Montenegro might be more enticing to the Prince-Bishop, this could also help Karađorđe with his goal of getting sea access via an expanded Montenegro. I do still picture Serbia as an autonomous vassal state within the Ottoman empire post-peace, as this is what the Russians were pushing. Early autonomy, no struggle between 2 dynasties, and potentially sea access all give Serbia big advantages, not to mention that both in terms of time and territory, Serbia has a big headstart in liberating/expanding into the nearby lands it was interested in, including Bosnia, and its Austrian-drilled military elite isn't wiped out and scattered like IOTL, leaving its army more prepared for modernization. No retribution post revolt by the janissaries also likely means a much better economic situation. Generally, a better start to Serbia's renewed statehood.
I am a bit unsure of how much bigger than IOTL exactly it makes sense for this alternate Serbian principality to be? I don't want this to be some crazy unrealistic wank for nationalists to, well, wank to. More of a realistic light wank.
Relations with the Habsburgs are something I'm wondering about, whether Karađorđe's absolutist and militaristic/"running the country like an army" tendencies might get him ousted and result in a Serbian republic.
I've also toyed with the idea of Slavonic Serbian winning out over Vukian Serbian, with the interesting side effect of modern Croatian and Serbian ACTUALLY being different languages ITTL.
Broad European effects of Napoleons invasion of Russia being delayed by a year?
Thoughts on if the First Serbian revolt succeeded?
I've become interested in the possibility of the First Serbian Uprising succeeding. Not Ičko's peace but a more extensive victory. I intend to make at least one map, and see if I get inspired to do more.
I was considering the dual POD of Petar Dobrnjac and Miloje Petrović not getting into an argument leading to a victory at Čegar and Napoleon getting sick before the invasion of Russia and delaying it in order to lead it personally when he recovered, allowing Russia to continue splitting Ottoman resources. The latter could have big implications for Europe, though, which is why I wanted some feedback on.
I do have more ideas for Serbia, obviously, but help there would also be appreciated.
I figure that Karađorđe's plan for a joint offensive in Raška, Zeta, and Kosovo with Montenegro might be more enticing to the Prince-Bishop, this could also help Karađorđe with his goal of getting sea access via an expanded Montenegro. I do still picture Serbia as an autonomous vassal state within the Ottoman empire post-peace, as this is what the Russians were pushing. Early autonomy, no struggle between 2 dynasties, and potentially sea access all give Serbia big advantages, not to mention that both in terms of time and territory, Serbia has a big headstart in liberating/expanding into the nearby lands it was interested in, including Bosnia, and its Austrian-drilled military elite isn't wiped out and scattered like IOTL, leaving its army more prepared for modernization. No retribution post revolt by the janissaries also likely means a much better economic situation. Generally, a better start to Serbia's renewed statehood.
I am a bit unsure of how much bigger than IOTL exactly it makes sense for this alternate Serbian principality to be? I don't want this to be some crazy unrealistic wank for nationalists to, well, wank to. More of a realistic light wank.
Relations with the Habsburgs are something I'm wondering about, whether Karađorđe's absolutist and militaristic/"running the country like an army" tendencies might get him ousted and result in a Serbian republic.
I've also toyed with the idea of Slavonic Serbian winning out over Vukian Serbian, with the interesting side effect of modern Croatian and Serbian ACTUALLY being different languages ITTL.
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