It is, author wants to make it to modern day, which is coolisn't it still going?
Though I think you already get a good enough experience reading it up to before WWI
It is, author wants to make it to modern day, which is coolisn't it still going?
But people tell me to look to it in a map as the explanation? Or "they didnt have enough people" "they didnt have the right resources"
It all amounts to "geography is fate"
There were Bandeirantes going as far as the Incan Empire even before the Union got in full swing.I totally agree with you on that point. The bandeirantes would exist regardless of an Iberian Union or not, and with less Portuguese men being sent to die in Spanish affairs such as protecting the Philippines or the Spanish Armada, they may even be bigger ITTL
Started off even smaller than Portugal in a island completely separated from the rest of the world, said rest of the world that liked invading it that is
Population way smaller as well, quantity of germanic tribes moving there was like what, in the dozens of thousands?
Before Henry VIII and Elizabeth? Sure, lol. But what does that matter? When they started colonizing they had a better fleet.Oh and it had a far weaker navy than Portugal as well, started the colonization game way later
Uhm, the impact of the industrial revolution is pretty indisputable... There is a reason why the "small anglo-saxon kingdom" managed to surpass France, not just overseas but also at home in Europe.And dont come at me saying they had coal!
Good luck for them lolEven without the Iberian Union England, France, and the Netherlands would still have expanded into the East Indies and Africa
And that did go so well for the dutch and french in Brazil right?the sporadic nature of Portugal's colonization through trade posts left plenty of room for other Europeans to move in and establish colonies of their own without having to attack Portugal's possessions (literally what England and France did otl).
Would love to see them try, considering Portugal at that time was the trade hegemon and had the greatest merchant fleet for this very reasonAnd once the other Europeans start competing with them the Portuguese will lose their market share and thus their incomes
All I hear is "they were too big so they were doomed"Portugal was already stretched to their limits
And? I wasnt talking about when it didLast time I checked England hasn't been successfully invaded by the rest of the world since the 11th century.
Wasnt talking about 1600 EnglandIn 1600 England and Ireland had a population of around 5
Because I was talking about when what we call "England" startedWhy the hell are you talking about Germanic tribes anyways?
Exactly.Before Henry VIII and Elizabeth? Sure
Never said it wasnt.Uhm, the impact of the industrial revolution is pretty indisputable.
Yes, a reality in which England started far worse off and had to overcome ALL of thatDoesn't change the simple reality that geographic and demographic advantages make it a lot easier for some countries than for others, that's why they're called advantages.
If you want the Aviz never to take power of Portugal, then the most obvious POD is for John I to lose at Aljubarrota which leaves the new King of Portugal as....John I of Castile. So yeah Spain in this TL is based around Portugal and Castile with poor old Aragon being left out in the cold.Either way, Im done with this subject
My main point is that Aviz brought the downfall of Portugal and without monarchs such as Afonso V and Manuel I the country could have been better - morally, economically and geopolitically - as it had an immense potential that was utterly wasted
As it should be!with poor old Aragon being left out in the cold.
then the most obvious POD
But my favorite POD would be thisAs it should be!
Basically the conspiracy succeeds and we get an earlier Braganza run!
- 1483 – João II executes Fernando, the third Duke of Braganza, and Diogo, the Duke of Viseu, putting an end to high nobility conspiracies.
Im not even portuguese lmaoooYou were never larger, England is 40.000km² bigger than Portugal is. You were never more populous.
that explains the complete lack of understanding of Portuguese history or geography I guessIm not even portuguese lmaooo
ma'am
Population and size of the nation is not everything, if that were the case today we would be speaking Mandarin, Hindi or Arabic. Now having a large population helps a lot in creating global empires. But it only helps, without investment and correct decisions it is a waste of potential as we saw France do during its attempt to create an empire in the Americas."You were never larger, England is 40.000km² bigger than Portugal is. You were never more populous."
England had a lot of close calls in the OTL, but they made the right choice and with a little luck managed to make their empire. But this is not predestined, the most common thing in history is nations wasting its potential. I don't know for example if england controlled by tudor for longer has the chance to create something similar to otl, the same can be said of an england that did not become a constitutional monarchy and had remained a republic led by Cromwell for example.My point wasnt about the age of colonialism at all, but that as a nation England-Britain started off far worse off than Portugal and required much more luck to succeed. Fact is that England did better, ruled better and that was entirely their merit.
But that was NOT predestined, not by geography, not by demographics, no matter how much people like those narratives to sell the idea of some kind of british exceptionalism