Why would Ethiopia want Italian Somaliland or any other colonies in the Horn of Africa? Also, the Derg successfully captured Haile Selassie who was pretty old by that time so it may be more plausible for Haile Selassie to die and have his son, Amha Selassie, become Emperor.
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WhiteDragon25
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Compensation for the Italian invasion and occupation in 1935-36?
And I guess Amha Selassie becoming Emperor would be more plausible; I don't really know all that much about Ethiopian or African history, and the whole point of this thread is to make the map's borders historically plausible, after all.
WhiteDragon25
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On the topic of Africa, I guess I can go into detail about the orange country in Central Africa - the United Republic of the Congo:
When the Germans invaded Belgium in May 1940, instead of remaining in control of the Belgian government-in-exile and therefore on the side of the Allies, the Belgian Congo instead fell under the control of the German Reich, who promptly began setting up their own colonial administration in the form of the Reichskommissariat Mittelafrika, later incorporating neighboring territories of French Equatorial Africa and French Cameroon after the Fall of France and the Compiegne Armistice that would form the puppet Vichy government.
This new colonial administration was premature, however, given that Nazi Germany had yet to defeat the British Empire - who also had colonial territories in Africa bordering the newly-formed Mittelafrika; as such, the African Campaign had to be split into two fronts: Italian North Africa, covered by the Erste-Afrikakorps (First African Corps) led by Field Marshall Erwin Rommel, and the Congo Basin, covered by the Zweite-Afrikakorps (Second African Corps). The 1st African Corps held strategic priority over the 2nd, due to the importance of keeping North Africa in Italian hands and seizing the Suez Canal from the British in Egypt, hence the 2nd African Corps was limited to a shoestring budget to keep the territory under German control. This lack of resources and support forced the German commanders in charge of occupying the region to be creative in maintaining control, building extensive fortifications in strategic areas, conscripting the native population in order to bolster their limited manpower, and engaging in piracy and smuggling along the coast in order to remain supplied with weapons and equipment.
When the 1st African Corps was defeated and pushed out of North Africa in spring of 1943, however, the commanders of the 2nd saw the writing on the wall for them: the British and Free French forces in Africa were pushing their way through the 2nd's meager defenses, and all available routes of retreat through Vichy French or Italian territories have been cut off, and the Atlantic was under total Allied control, leaving them stranded from the Fatherland and unable to return home. Deciding surrender to be unpalatable, the Germans instead opted to scatter and melt into the countryside, abandoning their arsenals in hidden caches across the Kibara Mountains while their men faded into hiding in the European colonial population to avoid capture; the Reichskommissariat administration was then foisted off onto prominent members of the native Congolese communities, effectively making Mittelafrika a de facto independent state. Upon the British finally arriving and capturing the colonial administrative capital, the Germans nowhere to be found; the British brushed this detail aside in favor of welcoming the newly-independent Zaire into the Allies, leaving the question of where the 2nd African Corps went to the post-war situation.
Much later, after a long and turbulent period of internal unrest and stabilization (and several other details which I'll cover later), the country of Zaire would reorganize itself into the United Republic of the Congo.
And on that note, here's the flag:
When the Germans invaded Belgium in May 1940, instead of remaining in control of the Belgian government-in-exile and therefore on the side of the Allies, the Belgian Congo instead fell under the control of the German Reich, who promptly began setting up their own colonial administration in the form of the Reichskommissariat Mittelafrika, later incorporating neighboring territories of French Equatorial Africa and French Cameroon after the Fall of France and the Compiegne Armistice that would form the puppet Vichy government.
This new colonial administration was premature, however, given that Nazi Germany had yet to defeat the British Empire - who also had colonial territories in Africa bordering the newly-formed Mittelafrika; as such, the African Campaign had to be split into two fronts: Italian North Africa, covered by the Erste-Afrikakorps (First African Corps) led by Field Marshall Erwin Rommel, and the Congo Basin, covered by the Zweite-Afrikakorps (Second African Corps). The 1st African Corps held strategic priority over the 2nd, due to the importance of keeping North Africa in Italian hands and seizing the Suez Canal from the British in Egypt, hence the 2nd African Corps was limited to a shoestring budget to keep the territory under German control. This lack of resources and support forced the German commanders in charge of occupying the region to be creative in maintaining control, building extensive fortifications in strategic areas, conscripting the native population in order to bolster their limited manpower, and engaging in piracy and smuggling along the coast in order to remain supplied with weapons and equipment.
When the 1st African Corps was defeated and pushed out of North Africa in spring of 1943, however, the commanders of the 2nd saw the writing on the wall for them: the British and Free French forces in Africa were pushing their way through the 2nd's meager defenses, and all available routes of retreat through Vichy French or Italian territories have been cut off, and the Atlantic was under total Allied control, leaving them stranded from the Fatherland and unable to return home. Deciding surrender to be unpalatable, the Germans instead opted to scatter and melt into the countryside, abandoning their arsenals in hidden caches across the Kibara Mountains while their men faded into hiding in the European colonial population to avoid capture; the Reichskommissariat administration was then foisted off onto prominent members of the native Congolese communities, effectively making Mittelafrika a de facto independent state. Upon the British finally arriving and capturing the colonial administrative capital, the Germans nowhere to be found; the British brushed this detail aside in favor of welcoming the newly-independent Zaire into the Allies, leaving the question of where the 2nd African Corps went to the post-war situation.
Much later, after a long and turbulent period of internal unrest and stabilization (and several other details which I'll cover later), the country of Zaire would reorganize itself into the United Republic of the Congo.
And on that note, here's the flag:
WhiteDragon25
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I guess I should get around to explaining this bit by now:
Post-war Zaire was, suffice to say, not exactly stable given its unusual origins. While the Germans foisted off the administration structure of the former Reichskommissariat Mittelafrika onto the various native tribal leaders, giving some semblance of a functional government, that didn't mean all of its problems just went away: on the contrary, the young country's government was inexperienced, extremely fractured along tribal divides, and out of its depth in governing such a large amount of territory; its leadership was composed of elders and chieftains who previously only led their local communities, alongside Western-educated African intellectuals who nonetheless only had theory to work off of. Combined with the unpleasantness of over a century of colonial occupations (most infamously being the Belgian Congo under King Leopold II), and you have a fragile country that could collapse into violent anarchy and inter-ethnic conflicts at any moment. Needless to say, the British had their hands full holding the region together and preparing it to stand on its own as an independent nation.
The British had no intentions of keeping the entire region for themselves, as their colonial empire was already stretched thin as it is, and with the war having been ruinously expensive to Britain, adding another colony to its collection was just not worth the expense in maintaining alongside its other commitments; and they certainly weren't going to return these territories to Belgium and France - especially not the latter, given how hard of a time they were having trying stubbornly hold on to what they have left already. Thus, decolonization was the only viable option.
Of course, decolonization meant more than just handing off sovereignty to the local populace: it also meant making their new nation economically viable and politically stable, so it won't just fly apart into an orgy of violence the moment the British leave. So for the British, that meant a few more years of occupation that the local populace would have to put up with... and said populace, full of diversity in unique cultures and ethnic groups, was running increasingly short on patience with their colonial overlords. If the British wanted to avoid complete catastrophe, they would have to work fast to build up the necessary capital to invest in industrializing Zaire.
Enter Ayn Rand. After suffering from a depressive funk due to dismal sales of her book Atlas Shrugged in 1957, notorious author Ayn Rand threw herself into developing her newly-founded 'philosophy' of Objectivism; a chance encounter with one Ron Hubbard (hack sci-fi author and founder of Scientology) led her to decide making Atlas Shrugged a reality - by setting up her own country in the Autonomous Region of Katanga. Convincing a number of economists and corporate millionaires to sign on as investors, she managed to convince the British transitional authorities in Zaire to allow her project to go through - the British happily accepting just for the prospects of investments coming in at all. The British would come to regret this decision years later.
By the 1960's, Rand's Objectivist experiment of Galtville, Katanga managed to prove surprisingly profitable so far for the Zaire government, the money that was coming in serving to stabilize the country's economy and fund the government's extensive infrastructure programs. Rand's ambitions for an independent Objectivist Katanga, however, would put an end to that brief period of prosperity...
This is where three other players enter the scene: the Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland, the Boer Afrikaners of South Africa, and the remnants of the 2nd African Corps.
Starting with the 2nd African Corps: after the defeat of Nazi Germany in 1945, the 2nd African Corps was left trapped in the Congo Basin with nowhere to go; after hiding what was left of their weapons and equipment in the Kibara Mountains, the Corps melted into the European colonial population throughout southern Africa - primarily the Katanga region and Northern & Southern Rhodesia. Staying in contact with one another, the former Nazi soldiers wormed their way into the political spheres of the colonial communities, settling themselves in to a comfortable lifestyle with steady incomes from corrupt officials. The arrival of Ayn Rand in Katanga, however, changed things: her secret buildup of a private mercenary army lent itself well to the strengths of the ex-Wehrmacht officers, and several of the Nazi exiles found themselves new jobs within Rand's mercenary forces; one of them decided to provide Rand the location of the forgotten weapons caches in the Kibara Mountains. While heavily outdated and neglected for years, the huge arsenal was free-of-charge, and so was a great boon for Rand's demented ambitions for Katanga. The weapons cache proving to buy them immense favor within Rand's inner circle, the ex-Nazis of the 2nd African Corps began to trickle in en-mass to Galtville, their presence having a growing influence on its internal politics.
Next to be involved was the Federation of Rhodesia: a longtime British colony, Rhodesia's leaders had spent the last few years preparing to wriggle their way out from Britain's leash and declare independence from the British Empire, allowing them to establish their own personal white-nationalist ethno-state without interference. Among those Rhodesians pushing to bring that dream into reality was Ian Smith, a veteran bureaucrat and administrator in the Rhodesian government, as well as a virulent racist and white-nationalist; Smith had connections with various members of the exiled 2nd African Corps as a result, and it was those connections that gave him an opportunity to build inroads with Ayn Rand in neighboring Katanga. Rand's mad ambitions had ended up instigating a proxy war between her, the Congolese government, the United Nations, and the Soviets: as the conflict dragged on, Rand steadily grew more and more deranged, becoming a totalitarian dictator engaging in various atrocities to maintain her rule; what she needed most, however, were more weapons and mercenaries to keep her independence war going... which Smith was more than happy to provide, funneling war materiel into Rand's hands and making her more and more dependent on Rhodesia's support to survive.
As Galtville met its demise under UN aerial bombings, Cuban-led Communist partisans, and Congolese army troops, with Rand herself meeting her end locked in a bunker ranting against the inferior 'mundanes' of the world and the collectivist-internationalist conspiracy, the Republic of Rhodesia declared its independence from the British Empire, and Ian Smith came to power as its Prime Minister; among his first acts was to send a 'peacekeeping force' into Katanga to seize control of Galtville. What little remained of the Objectivist society welcomed the newcomers, weary of several brutal years of war that had devastated the region. The United Republic of the Congo protested against this intervention, declaring it an invasion of their territory, but the UN had enough of the war in Katanga, and Rhodesia's intervention had near-immediately restored order to the area (earning them brownie points with the UN), so the subsequent peace-deal negotiations led to the Katanga province being annexed by the Republic of Rhodesia, which also earned itself international recognition... in spite of protests from the United Kingdom. This recognition of Rhodesia would prove ill-advised in hindsight, however, given that Ian Smith and his regime would reveal its true colors soon enough...
Lastly, we get to the Boer Afrikaners: in 1948, the National Party came into power in South Africa, marking the first time an all-Afrikaner cabinet controlled the government since 1910; the Afrikaners - notorious for their resentment against Britain and their racism against native Africans - soon got to work in implementing their racial segregation policy known as Apartheid, beginning a dark chapter in the history of southern Africa. The Boers had a history of pro-German sympathies spanning decades - the most recent examples being their opposition of South Africa's participation in WWII alongside Britain against Nazi Germany, personified by the Ossebrandwag, a pseudo-Nazi paramilitary group - and this pro-German sympathy didn't end with the conclusion of the war: groups like the OB had developed ties with the 2nd African Corps during the war, after the war ended, those ties continued to exist into the 1960's, right around Ayn Rand's dream of an Objectivist Katanga finally collapsed and was absorbed into Rhodesia. As both South Africa and Rhodesia were connected by their ties with the 2nd African Corps, that association made the two nations natural allies, which made Rhodesia an attractive location to migrate to for Boer Afrikaners.
Thus it is with the amalgamation of Objectivist ideologues, exiled Nazi remnants, and Boer Afrikaner migrants, that we get the Independent State of Rhodesia, an abhorrent fascist state that blends together some of the worst ideologies of the 20th century - one that persists into the modern day against all odds.
And now for the flags:
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...I'm honestly surprised that no-one's shown any interest in the whole convoluted Rhodesia backstory. You'd think cartoonish supervillainy would rake in the views.
WhiteDragon25
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No, it doesn't; Japan's color is slightly brighter and pinker than Indonesia. Indonesia does own Papua New Guinea and Malaysian Borneo, though.
EDIT: Oh, speaking of, here's the Indonesian flag incorporating Papua New Guinea:
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WhiteDragon25
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Pivoting back to South America briefly:
A little under two decades after Argentina's conquests of Uruguay and Rio Grande do Sul in the Great South American War, and Argentina's subsequent renaming as the Republic of La Plata, the victory high would come to an end in 1955 when the two annexed provinces joined together in revolt and declared independence as the Piratini Republic; the Platine military would be unable to quell the rebellion, thanks to foreign interventions from Gran Colombia, Brazil, and the United States, who all provided material support for the Piratini Republic (and in the case of the United States, a full guarantee of Piratini sovereignty), allowing them to force La Plata into a stalemate and peace settlement. The Revolución Libertadora (or The Liberating Revolution) would spell the end of La Plata's seeming rising stardom, as the once-more Republic of Argentina was now left bloodied and humiliated. This defeat would result in a military coup d'etat overthrowing President Juan Perón, with the military blaming him for La Plata's defeat and demise: the new military dictatorship would soon be called the Argentine League, an ultra-nationalistic totalitarian state that swore revenge against Piratini and its backers, a threat that it never would carry out before the end of the 20th century.
The flags:
WhiteDragon25
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I've covered most of the more-out-there interesting ATL country ideas I had, and I'm having difficulty coming up with more for the ones I haven't covered due to my lack of knowledge ones the remaining ones left on the map... and sadly there haven't been any suggestions by anybody here to spur the creative juices.
That doesn't mean I don't have any ideas left though, quite to the contrary! I think a good one to cover here would be what I call Ozzy's Bizarre Adventure - starring Oswald Mosley:
The basic idea I have in mind is for Mosley to swing wildly back-and-forth between the far-left, the far-right, and back again, before ending up as a centrist, over the course of his political career between 1920-1945. What I really want is just an excuse to mix together both Kaiserreich's Maximists alongside OTL's British Union of Fascists to see the fireworks, as well as mixing in elements of A Greater Britain. Among other divergences:
- Oswald Mosley becoming friends (of a sort) with Eric Blair (aka George Orwell) during his time in Labour, with Blair following Mosley's career with interest... with Mosley's later totalitarian tendencies scaring the crap out of Blair, giving him the inspiration for Big Brother in his later book 1984.
- Mosley's New Party undergoing a left-right schism, after Mosley's visit to Italy inspired him to reform the New Party into the BUF, in opposition to the New Party's left-wing (nicknamed the Maximists), resulting in the New Party splitting, with Mosley leaving with the right-wing BUF, and the left-wing Maximists forming their own party with the support of defectors from the Communist Party of Great Britain and the Trade Union Congress (with Blair inexplicably shoved into a leadership position due to his friendship with Mosley).
- A surviving Rotha Lintorn-Orman hijacking control of the BUF from Mosley in revenge for the BUF stealing her own fascist party's supporters, kicking Mosley out of his own party and causing him to limp back to the Maximists, who welcome him back and reinstating him as leader, with Blair becoming his reluctant second-in-command.
- The Battle of Cable Street therefore becoming a clash between the Rotha-led BUF and the Mosley-led Maximists, with the fallout of the debacle causing both parties to lose influence across Britain; Mosley himself would leave the Maximists again to return quietly to Labour with his tail between his legs, while Blair leaves the Maximists as well and distances himself as much as possible from his association (most notably by volunteering in the Spanish Civil War by joining the Catalonian CNT-FAI, incidentally meeting Leon Trotsky in Barcelona as well; the NKVD's actions in the Barcelona incident would turn off Blair to whatever sympathy he had left to authoritarian socialism).
- Mosley's ignominious return to Labour's ranks on the eve of WWII would result in him ending up as part of the wartime Unity Government led by Winston Churchill; Mosley's anti-war agitation would land him in trouble with MI5 after the Battle of Britain in 1940, as MI5 were suspicious of Mosley's remaining ties to both the Maximists and BUF, and concerned that his position would allow him to convince enough people in both the government and the general public to accept Hitler's peace offer. Mosley would deny the accusations, but would nonetheless be interned in prison; Mosley in response would rapidly about-face and furiously condemn Nazi Germany throughout his time in prison until his release in 1943. The Maximists and BUF, on the other hand, would not be so lucky, many of their members interned as well and both parties being proscribed in 1940 to the end of the war in 1945, with both parties losing what little support they had left, becoming little more than fringe movements.
- Mosley's political career after the war would be a largely quiet affair, keeping his head down for the most part despite supporting various endeavors such the formation of a pan-European nation. His low profile would somewhat help rehabilitate his image, but he would nevertheless remain controversial among the British people long after his death in 1980. The successors of the Maximists and the BUF, both of whom would die out shortly after the war (the Maximists lasting longer), would both claim Mosley's legacy as their own, leading them to frequently butt heads with each other to this day.
Now for the flags (one for the United Kingdom for reference, one representative of the Maximists, and one representative of the British Union of Fascists):
That doesn't mean I don't have any ideas left though, quite to the contrary! I think a good one to cover here would be what I call Ozzy's Bizarre Adventure - starring Oswald Mosley:
The basic idea I have in mind is for Mosley to swing wildly back-and-forth between the far-left, the far-right, and back again, before ending up as a centrist, over the course of his political career between 1920-1945. What I really want is just an excuse to mix together both Kaiserreich's Maximists alongside OTL's British Union of Fascists to see the fireworks, as well as mixing in elements of A Greater Britain. Among other divergences:
- Oswald Mosley becoming friends (of a sort) with Eric Blair (aka George Orwell) during his time in Labour, with Blair following Mosley's career with interest... with Mosley's later totalitarian tendencies scaring the crap out of Blair, giving him the inspiration for Big Brother in his later book 1984.
- Mosley's New Party undergoing a left-right schism, after Mosley's visit to Italy inspired him to reform the New Party into the BUF, in opposition to the New Party's left-wing (nicknamed the Maximists), resulting in the New Party splitting, with Mosley leaving with the right-wing BUF, and the left-wing Maximists forming their own party with the support of defectors from the Communist Party of Great Britain and the Trade Union Congress (with Blair inexplicably shoved into a leadership position due to his friendship with Mosley).
- A surviving Rotha Lintorn-Orman hijacking control of the BUF from Mosley in revenge for the BUF stealing her own fascist party's supporters, kicking Mosley out of his own party and causing him to limp back to the Maximists, who welcome him back and reinstating him as leader, with Blair becoming his reluctant second-in-command.
- The Battle of Cable Street therefore becoming a clash between the Rotha-led BUF and the Mosley-led Maximists, with the fallout of the debacle causing both parties to lose influence across Britain; Mosley himself would leave the Maximists again to return quietly to Labour with his tail between his legs, while Blair leaves the Maximists as well and distances himself as much as possible from his association (most notably by volunteering in the Spanish Civil War by joining the Catalonian CNT-FAI, incidentally meeting Leon Trotsky in Barcelona as well; the NKVD's actions in the Barcelona incident would turn off Blair to whatever sympathy he had left to authoritarian socialism).
- Mosley's ignominious return to Labour's ranks on the eve of WWII would result in him ending up as part of the wartime Unity Government led by Winston Churchill; Mosley's anti-war agitation would land him in trouble with MI5 after the Battle of Britain in 1940, as MI5 were suspicious of Mosley's remaining ties to both the Maximists and BUF, and concerned that his position would allow him to convince enough people in both the government and the general public to accept Hitler's peace offer. Mosley would deny the accusations, but would nonetheless be interned in prison; Mosley in response would rapidly about-face and furiously condemn Nazi Germany throughout his time in prison until his release in 1943. The Maximists and BUF, on the other hand, would not be so lucky, many of their members interned as well and both parties being proscribed in 1940 to the end of the war in 1945, with both parties losing what little support they had left, becoming little more than fringe movements.
- Mosley's political career after the war would be a largely quiet affair, keeping his head down for the most part despite supporting various endeavors such the formation of a pan-European nation. His low profile would somewhat help rehabilitate his image, but he would nevertheless remain controversial among the British people long after his death in 1980. The successors of the Maximists and the BUF, both of whom would die out shortly after the war (the Maximists lasting longer), would both claim Mosley's legacy as their own, leading them to frequently butt heads with each other to this day.
Now for the flags (one for the United Kingdom for reference, one representative of the Maximists, and one representative of the British Union of Fascists):
WhiteDragon25
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This thread could use another update... no matter how paltry... anyways, I'll just start throwing out some more divergence points at random:
- After the British and French divide up the Ottoman Empire after WW1 as per their secret Sykes-Picot Agreement, in spite of British promises to the Arabs for a unified nation-state, the British would later decide to support the Hashemite Kingdom of Hejaz over the Saudi Sultanate of Nejd in their efforts to unify the Arabian peninsula, which would eventually lead to the defeat of the Saudis and the unification of the two kingdoms in 1932 as the Kingdom of Hashemite Arabia. The Kingdom would eventually also absorb Yemen, Oman, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates to finally fully unify the peninsula under a single Arab state.
Flag:
- The Annan Plan for Cyprus, after some more adjustments to address issues that have come up during negotiations, manages to pass the 2004 referendums among both Greek and Turkish Cypriots, finally uniting the island of Cyprus into one United Republic of Cyprus, which would gradually come to heal the divides between its two ethnic populations.
Flag:
- The partition of the British Raj in 1947 prior to Indian Independence went down a different path of progression as it was decided to place India's western border up to the Indus river, with the remaining territory west of the Indus being ceded to the Emirate of Afghanistan, while the majority of East Bengal remained within India, with almost everything to the east of that going to Burma; the region of Arunachal Pradesh, which was disputed by the Chinese, was given to the Kingdom of Bhutan as a way to sidestep the issue. Lastly, the Kashmir region was split evenly between India, Afghanistan, and China.
The border disputes between the Republic of India and the People's Republic of China, however, would continue to persist until 1962, with the eruption of the Sino-Indian War with the PRC invading Bhutan to reclaim Arunachal Pradesh, with India declaring war in retaliation and forcibly dragging the Kingdom of Nepal in on their side; the war ended in a decisive Chinese victory, with all of Bhutan annexed by China, while the Kingdom of Nepal was split down the middle between China and India after Nepal crumpled under Chinese assault. The Union of Burma in a separate border conflict also lost territory to the Chinese, which led to the Burmese military overthrowing the government and establishing the Free State of Myanmar under a military dictatorship.
Flags:
A combination of the IRL flag and a proposed flag design featuring two horizontal golden bars representing the Huang He (Yellow) and Yangtze Rivers.
As a bonus flag:
- After the British and French divide up the Ottoman Empire after WW1 as per their secret Sykes-Picot Agreement, in spite of British promises to the Arabs for a unified nation-state, the British would later decide to support the Hashemite Kingdom of Hejaz over the Saudi Sultanate of Nejd in their efforts to unify the Arabian peninsula, which would eventually lead to the defeat of the Saudis and the unification of the two kingdoms in 1932 as the Kingdom of Hashemite Arabia. The Kingdom would eventually also absorb Yemen, Oman, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates to finally fully unify the peninsula under a single Arab state.
Flag:
- The Annan Plan for Cyprus, after some more adjustments to address issues that have come up during negotiations, manages to pass the 2004 referendums among both Greek and Turkish Cypriots, finally uniting the island of Cyprus into one United Republic of Cyprus, which would gradually come to heal the divides between its two ethnic populations.
Flag:
- The partition of the British Raj in 1947 prior to Indian Independence went down a different path of progression as it was decided to place India's western border up to the Indus river, with the remaining territory west of the Indus being ceded to the Emirate of Afghanistan, while the majority of East Bengal remained within India, with almost everything to the east of that going to Burma; the region of Arunachal Pradesh, which was disputed by the Chinese, was given to the Kingdom of Bhutan as a way to sidestep the issue. Lastly, the Kashmir region was split evenly between India, Afghanistan, and China.
The border disputes between the Republic of India and the People's Republic of China, however, would continue to persist until 1962, with the eruption of the Sino-Indian War with the PRC invading Bhutan to reclaim Arunachal Pradesh, with India declaring war in retaliation and forcibly dragging the Kingdom of Nepal in on their side; the war ended in a decisive Chinese victory, with all of Bhutan annexed by China, while the Kingdom of Nepal was split down the middle between China and India after Nepal crumpled under Chinese assault. The Union of Burma in a separate border conflict also lost territory to the Chinese, which led to the Burmese military overthrowing the government and establishing the Free State of Myanmar under a military dictatorship.
Flags:
A combination of the IRL flag and a proposed flag design featuring two horizontal golden bars representing the Huang He (Yellow) and Yangtze Rivers.
As a bonus flag:
WhiteDragon25
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So... um... I've noticed this thread hasn't been getting many visitors other than myself lately... and I'm kinda running out of comprehensive coherent ideas for each and every country on the map... which brings up the question: what to do next?
Well... how about a writer's challenge? Anyone can pick any country on the map in the OP, and try to write out a scenario to explain how that country came to be - from how it got its borders, to what type of government it has, to its ideological leanings (if any), to whatever impact it has/had on the world around it - and make it fit into the larger picture of everything that's been written here so far. I'm sure somebody will be able to come up with something interesting, since there's definitely plenty of people here who're more knowledgeable about history than I am!
Just a few ground rules before starting:
- All points of divergence have to be after 1900 (obviously, given the forum this thread is located in).
- Anything written must take everything else written so far. You can't have contradictory backstories for the same countries or events (though if you can spin it as a different perspective of them, feel free to play with it).
- The timeline here must generally look recognizably like our world, but there's plenty of leeway to the degree of parallelism you can take to make the world similar to OTL though at the same time dramatically different (just look at everything I've written so far!). In other words: events like WW1, WW2, and the Cold War all must happen on time with the same historical players and end with the same general result, though on the specific nitty-gritty details on who, what, and where, go wild as long as you can fit it in with everything else.
- I've made up flags for every country on the map already, so you don't need to bother creating them... though if you've come up with a good excuse within your given scenario, I'll give it a pass as a period-specific flag before its 'modern' iteration. If you want to know what the flags I have look like, just specify the country on the map you're picking for your scenario and I'll post it here; it might give you an idea on how you want to do the scenario, or if you're set on a scenario you have in mind and don't like the flag I have, you can describe a new one and I'll try my best to create it in Flag Maker.
- As an additional point to the previous rule: all the flags I have made are the 'modern-day' 2018 iterations for all the countries, and so are basically the 'final' ones for any scenario's end-point conclusions.
I think that should just about cover everything important for this writer's challenge... I hope to see that people can come up with some fun and interesting scenarios - and more importantly, I hope to see this thread get more attention and views!
Have fun, and enjoy!
Well... how about a writer's challenge? Anyone can pick any country on the map in the OP, and try to write out a scenario to explain how that country came to be - from how it got its borders, to what type of government it has, to its ideological leanings (if any), to whatever impact it has/had on the world around it - and make it fit into the larger picture of everything that's been written here so far. I'm sure somebody will be able to come up with something interesting, since there's definitely plenty of people here who're more knowledgeable about history than I am!
Just a few ground rules before starting:
- All points of divergence have to be after 1900 (obviously, given the forum this thread is located in).
- Anything written must take everything else written so far. You can't have contradictory backstories for the same countries or events (though if you can spin it as a different perspective of them, feel free to play with it).
- The timeline here must generally look recognizably like our world, but there's plenty of leeway to the degree of parallelism you can take to make the world similar to OTL though at the same time dramatically different (just look at everything I've written so far!). In other words: events like WW1, WW2, and the Cold War all must happen on time with the same historical players and end with the same general result, though on the specific nitty-gritty details on who, what, and where, go wild as long as you can fit it in with everything else.
- I've made up flags for every country on the map already, so you don't need to bother creating them... though if you've come up with a good excuse within your given scenario, I'll give it a pass as a period-specific flag before its 'modern' iteration. If you want to know what the flags I have look like, just specify the country on the map you're picking for your scenario and I'll post it here; it might give you an idea on how you want to do the scenario, or if you're set on a scenario you have in mind and don't like the flag I have, you can describe a new one and I'll try my best to create it in Flag Maker.
- As an additional point to the previous rule: all the flags I have made are the 'modern-day' 2018 iterations for all the countries, and so are basically the 'final' ones for any scenario's end-point conclusions.
I think that should just about cover everything important for this writer's challenge... I hope to see that people can come up with some fun and interesting scenarios - and more importantly, I hope to see this thread get more attention and views!
Have fun, and enjoy!
Okay. I'l bite.
What happened to Afghanistan? I see parts of it are now within Pakistan, possibly the Pashtuni speaking people are now within the borders of Pakistan. The northern parts seem to be apart of Russia... of the Soviet Union. Or some other Russian led state. In fact, what is going in Central Asia on this map? The "Stan Nations" seem to be apart of the Russian... Empire? Federation? Union? And the Aral Sea is still there.
So what I'm trying to say is what's going in the part of the world? Central Asia.
What happened to Afghanistan? I see parts of it are now within Pakistan, possibly the Pashtuni speaking people are now within the borders of Pakistan. The northern parts seem to be apart of Russia... of the Soviet Union. Or some other Russian led state. In fact, what is going in Central Asia on this map? The "Stan Nations" seem to be apart of the Russian... Empire? Federation? Union? And the Aral Sea is still there.
So what I'm trying to say is what's going in the part of the world? Central Asia.
WhiteDragon25
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Dude, this thread's been dead for months, I've pretty much abandoned it, I just haven't bothered removing it from my sig. Why are you posting here now?
To answer your question, though: the Soviet Union's still around, Afghanistan and Pakistan were merged after the British gave the latter to the former during the Partition of the British Raj, and the Aral Sea is still there because I was used a HoI4 1936 map as a base.
Well, you responded. I was curious and asked, since this looked pretty interesting. Thank you for answering regardless. I will not post here now.
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