Hmm that’s an interesting concept. I know a few Jews ended up there but a mass migration would be an interesting affect on the demographics.
There's a really good timeline that's on the same track as that.
Hmm that’s an interesting concept. I know a few Jews ended up there but a mass migration would be an interesting affect on the demographics.
Considering what happened to the Jewish communities that were overrun by Arab forces in 1948 there wouldn't be much hope of many Jews being left alive after a national defeat. Many of the expulsions of Jews from the Arab World between 1949-53 were motivated by the frustration, and rage resulting from the Arab defeat. Many Arab leaders believed the rush of Jewish refuges into Israel would cause an economic collapse, and starvation. Economic disruptions were serious, and food shortages were very serious, till agricultural production could be substantially increased. I would guess many Jews would've remained in the Arab Countries they were living in, they couldn't leave on their own, they'd have to be expelled. After the Algerian War many North African Jews might have moved to France. Many of the European Jews would end up in Latin America, South Africa, and some other Dominion Countries.
The failure of modern Zionism might lead to an intensification of Messianic Judaism. Only the Messiah can save the Jewish People, not Secular, Socialist, Nationalist leaders. Other Jews might see extreme secularism, or assimilation into the larger Western Secular society as the only way to survive, and prosper. The destruction of modern Israel would be the greatest shock to Judaism since Titus destroyed the Temple in 70AD. The loss of confidence in a Jewish identity in the wake of the twin blows of Hitler's, followed by a Palestinian Holocaust would take many generations to recover from. It took 18 Centuries after the 3rd Jewish War for a serious Zionist Movement to come near to success, there's no telling how long it would take for the next opportunity to arise.
Second holocaust waiting to happen.end up in France
Why though? Didnt happen to the jews left in Europe. Why would it happen now?Second holocaust waiting to happen.
More of them. Do you think Hitler would have gone through with the holocaust if there were only 0.5-1% the OTL number of Jews? Perhaps, but they would have been less of an 'issue' than OTL.Why though? Didnt happen to the jews left in Europe. Why would it happen now?
I can use you as a source. Your Quote talked about the Arab Armies having to stop Palestinian mobs, and irregular forces from killing Jewish Civilians, and POW's. And you are distorting what I said. I said Palestinian Irregular forces, mobs, and the forces of the Mufti were the most bloodthirsty forces fighting the new Jewish State. I never said Palestinians were bloodthirsty people. Talking about what the SS did in WWII, is not implying that Germans are bloodthirsty people.A source on the Palestinians being the most bloodthirsty, an assertation that doesn't seem to be backed by anything.
There were massacres of Jews in Poland. It was clear the Jews were not welcome to return to their prewar homes in many parts of Eastern Europe.Why though? Didnt happen to the jews left in Europe. Why would it happen now?
Germany only had about 500,000 Jews, but Hitler insisted they had to be excluded from Germany Society, and later during the war he ordered them to be killed. Ironically a greater percentage of German Jews survived then those from many other countries.More of them. Do you think Hitler would have gone through with the holocaust if there were only 0.5-1% the OTL number of Jews? Perhaps, but they would have been less of an 'issue' than OTL.
Precisely. The areas where there were more, more died.Germany only had about 500,000 Jews, but Hitler insisted they had to be excluded from Germany Society, and later during the war he ordered them to be killed. Ironically a greater percentage of German Jews survived then those from many other countries.
A Jewish return to Poland was impossible, they were not welcome. Stalin planned to deport the Soviet Jews to central Asia, but he died before the operation could be carried out. Half of the Jewish population was expected die there, due to the harsh conditions, and lack of proper shelter, and food. The anti-Semite Stalin supported the creation of Israel, in order to disrupt British domination of the Middle East. FDR promised the king of Saudi Arabia that he would never allow the creation of a Jewish State in Palestine. His death allowed Truman to reverse that policy. Chance events turned in the favor of the Jewish People, and saved them from two post war catastrophes.IIRC, there were 3.5 million Jews still in Europe by 1950. The population of Israel in 1950 was 1.37 million, which undoubtedly included Arab Christians, Druze and Muslims. Presuming the 1948 war is the instance where Israel is 'crushed', then the majority of Jews are still outside of Israel at this time. I imagine most of them would have stayed behind Warsaw Pact borders, unless the Soviets let them leave to other countries for some reason.
Obviously the Jewish Oblast was a 'thing', for lack of a better term, but i have to confess I've always mulled the idea of settling Jews in Central Asia instead of Russians, since they'd be almost entirely dependent on central Soviet rule.
Of course he would, killing the Jews was a big cornerstone of National Socialism. And he wouldnt let the Eternal Jew get away, only because there are fewer of them.More of them. Do you think Hitler would have gone through with the holocaust if there were only 0.5-1% the OTL number of Jews? Perhaps, but they would have been less of an 'issue' than OTL.
True dat, but that still leaves a lot of Europe open. Personaly I believe most would go to the Anglosphere, probably because they would have the best experience there. Historical speaking. So USA, Canada & the UK.There were massacres of Jews in Poland. It was clear the Jews were not welcome to return to their prewar homes in many parts of Eastern Europe.
More Jews coming to South Africa means that if the timing is right the United Party can beat the National Party and institute only their limited soft-form of segregation and eventual planned emancipation for all races, but more like than not I see the National Party winning and cut off non-Dutch/German white immigration even quicker than they did IOTLSo, yeah, if South Africa is where a large portion of the Jews go to in the aftermath of a stillborn Israel, how do you think would it affect South African (and general African) history going forward.
There were massacres of Jews in Poland. It was clear the Jews were not welcome to return to their prewar homes in many parts of Eastern Europe.
Because by 1940s all areas hospitable for human settlement were already inhabited, thus by default previous inhabitants should be kicked out of that land to make room for new settlers (unless newcomers want to live among previous inhabitants, but that makes building of ethnostate not feasible).Let’s face it anywhere a Jewish homeland is set up someone is going to claim the Jews stole it and the antisemites of the world will use it to justify their hatred