Say that Wenceslaus is killed in late july 1295 by classic horse ridding accident. His death before he get crowns of Poland and Hungary would cause massive butterflies in whole Central Europe. His 5 years old son Wenceslaus III would inherit Bohemian throne. Once again Bohemia would need regency (likely Habsburg dominated, Wenceslaus' wife, Judith of Habsburg would not die giving birth to her 10th child in 1297), thus Czech Kingdom would not be as agressive as in OTL. So no Premyslid Poland and Hungary, but OTOH Wenceslaus III would likely avoid assassination, thus Premyslid Dynasty could survive longer. That would have massive impact on HRE-assuming Albert Habsburg is still assassinated by his disinherited nephew and Henry of Luxembourg is still elected as King of the Romans. Without empty Bohemian throne Henry could not make his son John King of Bohemia. So with John of Luxembourg being not as strong like IOTL, is there a chance Electors would support him as successor of his father on the German throne? Meanwhile Charles Robert would have no Czech opponent in Hungary after death of Andrew III in 1301, how would he manage situation in such case? In Poland changes would be really massive. Death of Wenceslaus II would create power vacuum in Lesser Poland. Newly crowned King of Poland, Przemysł II, would use opportunity to take Cracow and finish his job of reuniting Poland. With royal title and support of Church he would have no serious competition. Moving to Cracow, King Przemysł would be outside reach of Brandenburgians and would not be murdered. Poland united by Przemysł should be far more stable than OTL Łokietek's Poland. Already crowned Przemysł would not need to struggle for Royal Crown, without Wenceslaus' Polish coronation there are no Czech claims to the Polish throne, Henry of Głogów has no chance to claim Greater Poland with undisputed heir of that land being alive, Przemysł, being Duke of Greater Poland before his coronation, had better predisposition to rule large country than Łokietek, who started as ruler of tiny duchy in Cuiavia. With earlier united and way more stable Poland, Teutonic Order would have no chance to grab Gdansk-IOTL when it happened Łokietek competed with Henry of Głogów, who controlled Greater Poland (so Łokietek couldn't use forces from nearbly Greater Poland to defend Gdańsk) and would take Cracow easily, if Łokietek moved his forces to Pomerelia.
Wenceslaus II of Bohemia dies in 1295
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Decision to depose Adolf of Nassau was made by Electors during coronation of Wenceslaus II in 1297 and was supported by Wenceslaus himself. Still Adolf would be unpopular due to his attempts to increase his lands by taking Thuringia and Bohemia under regency would still be pro-Habsburg.
So during 1313 HRE election, wouldn't John of Luxembourg be seen as better candidate for pro-Luxembourg camp than Louis of Bavaria? Without Bohemia House of Luxembourg is far from being powerful, much less than House of Wittelsbach certainly. Electors preffered weak candidates, so John would fit, only problem is electing son straight after father would cause fears of introducing hereditary rule in HRE.
If elected King of Germany, John of Luxembourg could use opportunity of extinction of Brandenburg line of House of Ascania to claim emptied fief for his own dynasty (like German momarchs used to do). Instead of Bohemia, he'll get Brandenburg (perhaps he'll marry sister of last Ascanian margrave to strenghten his claim?). Meanwhile Przemysł II of Poland would struggle for male heir. His third wife Margaret of Brandenburg was likely sterile, like first one, Luitgard of Mecklenburg. But Margaret died in Cracow in 1300 after short illness. King Przemysł was accussed for murder of his first, also childless wife, so sudden death of Margaret made him even more suspected. Przemysł, desperate for heir, married in 1302 Anna, daughter of Bolesław II of Mazovia, in 1304 she gave birth to King's long awaited son, also named Przemysł after father and grandfather.
ITTL for Przemysł main concern are Czechs and Brandenburgians, Teutonic Order is not open enemy, Charles Robert of Hungary would be Przemysł' ally likely (and could marry his daughter Richeza Elizabeth)-surviving Wenceslaus III could renew Czech claims to Lesser Poland one day and claim throne of Hungary as well, Czechs are also Poland's rivals in Silesia. Ruled by line of Piast Dynasty from Greater Poland, Kingdom of Poland would look more to the west and north, Gniezno would likely remain coronation site of Polish Kings.
ITTL for Przemysł main concern are Czechs and Brandenburgians, Teutonic Order is not open enemy, Charles Robert of Hungary would be Przemysł' ally likely (and could marry his daughter Richeza Elizabeth)-surviving Wenceslaus III could renew Czech claims to Lesser Poland one day and claim throne of Hungary as well, Czechs are also Poland's rivals in Silesia. Ruled by line of Piast Dynasty from Greater Poland, Kingdom of Poland would look more to the west and north, Gniezno would likely remain coronation site of Polish Kings.
Well during this period the Prince-Electors tended to choose relative weak candidates; however IOTL Rudolf of Habsburg, Henry of Luxenbourg and Adolph of Nassau all released they needed to acquire a substantial Imperial Fief to prevent it from being a once in a dynasty thing. So yes, I agree, Henry of Luxembourg would want to secure Brandemburg, if he can. Sure Brandenburg isn't Bohemia nor Austria-Styria, though in favour of the latter it is an Prince-Electorate. In these cases, including the failed Nassau attempts, it was not the usual thing for the monarch to do, which dominated the decision; but rather their position of head of a dynasty and their desire to cement their position as Great House of the Empire.
Yes, but we are talking about John of Luxembourg, not Henry (Brandenburg fief would be emptied in 1320). Without Bohemia he is no more powerful than his father was when elected, so would he win 1313 election? Relativelt weak duke, weaker than Habsburg and Wittelsbach. Only disadvantage is the fact, that he's son of previous monarch (sons of previous emperors rarely were elected straight after their fathers).
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There is no proof that Margaret is sterile because Margaret only married Premysl only shortly before he died.
If Johann/Jean (the Luxembourg dynasty was rather Francophile) is elected, then he would make such a move. He will need to marry woman closely related to the previous monarch, otherwise he may succeed, but it may also be his downfall.
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If you are butterflying Wenceslas's III death (we don't know who murdered him and why he did it) why aren't you butterflying Albert's I death? Albert was assasinated, because he named his son Rudolph III a new king of Bohemia despite his nephew, John (who was a grandson of Przemysł Ottokar II). And if Wenceslas is still alive, so should be Albert and John (he'd never take vows if he didn't assasinate his uncle), thus the rise of House of Luxembourg to power would be entirely butterflied - no Imperial, Bohemian, Brandenburgian throne for them.
Margaret of Brandenburg had 2 sons with her second husband Albert III, Duke of Saxe-Lauenburg.