W.I. Hitler’s Daughter had created the Fourth Reich in Russia?

[GMCocktail-Adrenaline]

В Москве умерла дочь Гитлера

Зинаида Попова была почти уверена, что её отец – фюрер

www.eg.ru

Hitler's daughter dies in Moscow

16 NOVEMBER 2015, 01:22

Zinaida Popova was almost 100% certain that the Fuhrer was her father.

The 82 year-old Zinaida Popova, daughter of Maria Popova, had passed away in Moscow; her mother Maria Popova was a nurse in the Chapaev Division and, at the behest of Stalin, became the “official” inspiration for Anka the Machine Gunner — the iconic character from Vasilyev Brothers’ classic film about Commander Chapaev.

Mother and daughter in Berlin. Photo from the personal archive of Maria POPOVA

But as it turned out Zinaida's mother was also a spy involved in affairs with Nazi leaders. After the Russian Civil War Maria Popova obtained an education at the Moscow State University and was assigned to the Soviet trade mission in Berlin. Naturally her job at the mission had less to do with diplomacy and more to do with spy-craft.

She spent most of her time in Munich, where the National Socialists were gaining strength under the leadership of Adolf Hitler. In those days the Fuhrer-to-be and his closest followers held gatherings in restaurants and pubs — and Popova took advantage of this. A beautiful, alluring Russian woman fluent in German caught the eye of a love-sick Hitler (as well as Himmler, Goebbels and Goering) and quickly charmed her way into the Nazi’s inner-circle.

After some time Maria became pregnant; it’s rumoured that her coworkers at the trade mission fell just short of placing bets as to which of the Nazis leaders was the father. But when Hitler came to power, the spy-woman realized that it was not safe for her to stay in Germany and so in 1936 she returned to the USSR along with little Zina in tow.

Back home Maria and her daughter came close to becoming victims of the Great Purge, but Stalin personally intervened to saved her by informing those around him to “leave our Anka alone.

(Translation and wiki-links provide by me)

If Zinaida Popova was 82 years old when she died in 2015, it means that back in the 1990s she was only in her 50s. Between early 1990s to about mid-2000s there was fear of white-supremacist ‘Hail Hitler’-type Nazis coming to power in Russia:

NEO-NAZISM IS ON THE RISE IN U.S.S.R.

www.sun-sentinel.com

Supporters of President Mikhail Gorbachev's perestroika are increasingly alarmed by the possibility that this program of restructuring and reforms may collapse. Should this occur -- and it cannot be ruled out even in the near future -- it would be a disaster not only for the Soviet Union but for all humankind… too little attention has been given, until now, to the special dangers posed by the growing aggressiveness in the Soviet Union of extreme right-wing, virulently anti-Semitic groups that seek to subvert perestroika, to blame the country's past and present problems on the Jews, and (as some of their propaganda states explicitly) to "finish what Hitler started."

These extremists are flourishing in the climate of spite, envy, scapegoating, and hatred associated with the increasingly severe difficulties in the Soviet economy and growing ethnic tensions.

They are perhaps already the strongest, and certainly the fastest growing, of the divisive forces pushing the country toward bloodshed and civil war.

The extremist groups go by a variety of innocuous-sounding names, of which the best known outside the Soviet Union is the "National Patriotic Front Pamyat" (pamyat means memory).

A number of them recently entered into a confederation under the title of "Bloc of Social-Patriotic Movements of Russia."… There is striking similarity, in fact, between the views, programs, and intentions of the Russian [neo]-Nazis and the original Nazi platform as laid out in Hitler's Mein Kampf and other infamous documents of the German Nazi period. This similarity, and the resemblance of the general situation in the Soviet Union in 1988-90 to that in Germany in 1931-33, have been publicized by progressive Soviet mass media… The Nazi-type speeches and publications of these groups are becoming routine features of everyday life in the Soviet Union. Their form and content were analyzed by Professor Herman Andreyev from Mainz University in West Germany in a recent issue of the weekly magazine Ogonyok.

He concluded that in any of the Western European countries, such statements would be treated as unconstitutional, the persons propagating them would be called to account, and the organizations supporting them would be dissolved.

Yet the [neo]-Nazis seem to be meeting no serious opposition -- indeed, more often sympathy and connivance -- from important party and government leaders of the U.S.S.R. … this situation offers the [neo]-Nazis considerable opportunities for blackmail and intimidation of Gorbachev and his closest advisers, through the claim that, in conditions of the "decline of empire," the Russian heartland and her "genuine sons" constitute the only reliable basis for the preservation of Gorbachev's power... They even have accused Gorbachev of being an agent in the service of the CIA and the Israeli intelligence service, the Mossad…
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[The Russian neo-Nazi] movement does not disguise its intentions to carry out pogroms against the Jews, to whom it refers using the insulting word zhidy (yids). In fact, members of Pamyat have been organizing well-attended meetings all over the country to call for pogroms -- even in Moscow's Red Square on Nov. 12, 1989 -- and no one has stood in their way.

The brazenness of [neo]-Nazi threats against Soviet Jewry has been increasing. In addition to anti-Semitic rallies and the desecration of Jewish cemeteries around the country, which have been going on for some time, it now seems that meetings of liberal intellectuals are no longer safe from disruption by Pamyat thugs.

Russian court bans neo-Nazi group

The Moscow City Court said Wednesday it had outlawed one of Russia's largest ultra-nationalist groups for the promotion of neo-Nazi ideology.

www.sandiegouniontribune.com

Neo-Nazi and other ultranationalist groups mushroomed in Russia after the 1991 Soviet collapse. The influx of migrant workers and two wars with Chechen separatists triggered xenophobia and a surge in hate crimes.

Racially motivated attacks, often targeting people from Caucasus and Central Asia, peaked in 2008, when 110 were killed and 487 wounded, an independent watchdog, Sova, said. The Moscow Bureau for Human Rights estimated that some 70,000 neo-Nazis were active in Russia - compared with a just few thousand in the early 1990s.

So what if Zinaida Popova became a key figure in Russia’s neo-Nazi circles and managed to turn Russia into the Fourth Reich sometime in the 1990s/2000s?

 

[ordinarylittleme]

First of all, is she even actually Hitler's daughter?
Secondly, IF she is Hitler's daughter, HOW will she acquire power in post-WW2 Russia? Sure, she can run in neo-Nazi circles, but how would she establish a strong enough power base to knock over the current structure?

 

[Queen Helaena]

wtf

 

[Lalli]

What?

And if we asume that that person indeed was Hitler's daughter and lived in Germany, she wouldn't be copy of her father. Her would has completely different life and probably very different ideology. These things are not genetic.

And Hitler's or any other nazii leader's child hardly would had allowed step to power. Perhaps someone son/daughter of high-ranked general but hardly anyone on Hitler's inner circle.

And post-WW2 Germany is totally different. Some totalitarian system wouldn't be possible or easy to rise to power in democratic West Germany.

 

[Lalli]

Crap, didn't read well headline.

Hitler's descendant taking power or anyone else non-Russian is just ASB. Not going to happen.

 

[Enigmajones]

While I agree that there is no proof Hitler had children, I would point out Benito Mussolini's granddaughter is a politician in Italy these days.

 

[ordinarylittleme]

Crap, didn't read well headline.

Hitler's descendant taking power or anyone else non-Russian is just ASB. Not going to happen.

Non-Russian?
OP is asking EXACTLY about Russia.
But, Stalin and Hitler thoroughly despised each other by the end and after Hitler lost, he wasn't going to be presented with glowing legacy. His descendants would need to step OUT of that, so no neo-Nazi stuff going on.

 

[Dorknought]

I would point out Benito Mussolini's granddaughter is a politician in Italy these days.

...and not a Jim Carrey fan.

 

[Garrison]

So the reasons why it won't happen are legion:
A woman rising to power in the USSR or Russia is all but impossible, Soviet/Russian politics is very much a boys club.
A descendant of Hitler in the USSR gaining power? Just no.
A descendent of Hitler actually being willing to declare they are a descendant of Hitler and had political ambitions anywhere? Yeah Mossad is going to come calling.

 

[Saint_007]

So the reasons why it won't happen are legion:
A woman rising to power in the USSR or Russia is all but impossible, Soviet/Russian politics is very much a boys club.
A descendant of Hitler in the USSR gaining power? Just no.
A descendent of Hitler actually being willing to declare they are a descendant of Hitler and had political ambitions anywhere? Yeah Mossad is going to come calling.

Assuming Putin's goons don't get to her first. The man has ambitions and he's not going to let a bunch of skinheads beat him to power.

Also, while there is a neo-Nazi movement in Russia, I'd imagine it would be Slavocentric rather than Aryan, or would have the belief that 'pure' Russians would be the master race. Why would they accept a half-German with uncertain ancestry?

 

[faddllz]

this belong in either asb, or an ahc.

 

[Burton K Wheeler]

First of all, is she even actually Hitler's daughter?
Secondly, IF she is Hitler's daughter, HOW will she acquire power in post-WW2 Russia? Sure, she can run in neo-Nazi circles, but how would she establish a strong enough power base to knock over the current structure?

Shouldn’t matter whether she is or not if she can convince people she is.

wtf

Please don’t post pointless naysaying and shit up the thread.

Crap, didn't read well headline.

Hitler's descendant taking power or anyone else non-Russian is just ASB. Not going to happen.

She is Russian. You didn’t read the initial post in your rush to shit on the thread.

this belong in either asb, or an ahc.

It is not ASB. It does not require magic intervention. And “ahc” isn’t meaningful in this sense.

 

[ordinarylittleme]

Shouldn’t matter whether she is or not if she can convince people she is.

True. I will rephrase it: if she is seen as Hitler's daughter, HOW will she acquire power in post-WW2 Russia? Sure, she can run in neo-Nazi circles, but how would she establish a strong enough power base to knock over the current structure?

 

[Burton K Wheeler]

A creepy munchkin bureaucrat managed to do it OTL, why not Hitler’s bastard daughter? I think 4th Reich is a stretch, but there’s lots of ways Hitler’s daughter could spin her heritage in a way that appeals to Russian nationalism.

 

[Saint_007]

A creepy munchkin bureaucrat managed to do it OTL, why not Hitler’s bastard daughter? I think 4th Reich is a stretch, but there’s lots of ways Hitler’s daughter could spin her heritage in a way that appeals to Russian nationalism.

Putin's brand of Russian nationalism is just a veneer used to cover up his failures in managing the economy, and has quite a few differences from Nazism/Fascism. Russia is a kleptocratic oligarchy with some ultranationalist trappings, and while one could make the argument that the Third Reich was similar, there's quite a few differences. For one, while the NSDAP mismanaged the economy and only got away by cooking the books and faking numbers the NSDAP wasn't made up of people who basically owned the economy because the National Socialists were trying to keep the appearance of being the people's party, paying lip service to the party's original socialist ideals. Putin's Russia is one autocrat ruling through his personal goons and an oligarchy of rich, corrupt politicians and businessmen.

Also, Putin was former KGB, meaning he had knowledge of where the bodies are buried, and he had connections prior to the collapse of the USSR, some of which lucked out and helped him during the Boris Yeltsin years. Zinaida Popova seems to have been an average person despite her... unusual claims of parentage. She doesn't have the connections necessary. Just because she's (supposedly) Hitler's daughter, doesn't mean she has his charisma or his ruthlessness. We barely know anything about her.

 

[ordinarylittleme]

A creepy munchkin bureaucrat managed to do it OTL, why not Hitler’s bastard daughter? I think 4th Reich is a stretch, but there’s lots of ways Hitler’s daughter could spin her heritage in a way that appeals to Russian nationalism.

Except Zinaida was nothing like her father, and Russia would NOT have good feelings about a possible resurrection of the Nazi reign, ESPECIALLY as Hitler had written in his book his true thoughts on Slavic people.

 

[Burton K Wheeler]

I don’t know that I have a helpful scenario to contribute, I’m just beyond sick of seeing people shit over interesting and creative ideas just to show how smart they are.