Agentdark said:The war on terror would be widly different, perhaps even an attack on the soviet union in 9-11
Well, Wesley Clark almost started a war with Russia as it was over Kosovo, so maybe that changes?PMN1 said:What would be the changes to history should the USSR still be intact and the Cold War still be on?
The reply to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait is one area where things would get more complicated along with possibly the Yugolsav civil war.
LordKalvan said:The POD is not well defined.
IMHO, the only way for USSR to go on would be an economic reform, and a refusal to go along with the Star Wars race. In such a scenario, USSR/USA would cooperate (informally) in a much closer way, and the "cold war" would not be effectively on. The Russians might even let DDR go (possibly through some kind of economic deal with West Germany and the USA). Saddam would be less free in his decisions, not more. Arab fundamentalist terrorism would be repressed earlier. China would be in a much weaker position (an aggressive Russia on the northern border would push them toward higher military expenditures - and the economic reforms might not come on schedule)
I probably should not have Cuba colored as I do...Wendell said:How's this for a world map where the Cold War is still on (This sort of goes with the Coup thread too)?
My idea was that the USSR would still dissolve, even if the Rus. Fed. itself stayed Communist. That said, depending on one's POD, the center of Communist strength would likely tilt eastward. Russia and China each have their own color, yes. The four stans in red as well as Mongolia are Communist governments on good terms with Moscow and Beijing. Sri Lanka, yemen, and the others are the new Communist periphery. I admit, I should have probably left Yemen out of the bundle, but the idea struck me as interesting.NFR said:How about explaining the colour scheme? China has its own colour - good - it wasn't even on the general side of the Soviet Camp back then. North Korea has the same colour as Serbia, Ukraine, Romania, Moldavia and Byelorussia, Yemen is whole and is the same colour as Sri Lanka. Soviet Central Asia sans Turkmenistan is the same colour as Mongolia... I am confused.
Correct. But with regard to China, I saw both its liberalisation slowing, and that of the other Communists growing, if more slowly than otherwise.NFR said:So, I take it the Ukrainian Blood Red is for communist states exclusively in sphere of Russia?
And I presume you had in mind a sort of collapse in Soviet power so that China decided that it had more to gain by once again becoming communist rather and take over the leadership of the communist camp rather than trading merrily as before?
Feel free to revise the mapAndrei said:Some questions regarding the map:
-Why is France white and not green?
-Why is the UK coloured different from the US or Western Europe?
-Why is Romania communist? Ceausescu was overthrown in 1989.
If the year of the map is 1991 , I think you should have coloured the NATO countries with the same colour and the Eastern European countries with white ( neutral ).
Wendell said:Feel free to revise the map
This map would likely be from after 1991, but shows the effects of longer Communism in Russia. Romania is colored as is because I do not think its fate was ceratain in 1991, Ceausescu or not. The map is not in 1991, because Austria was neutral, and Hungary, Slovenia, and the Western Slavs were still Communist then.
The U.K. is colored differently from the continent because it is arguably the second power in the Western alliance, and as such, it gets its own color, just as the PRC has a distinct color from Russia.
France is white due to its partial withdrawal from NATO in OTL.
Ireland is not a NATO member either in OTL.Andrei said:I see.
If the rest of NATO is green , shouldn't Ireland be green as well?