Aboriginal Australians have a deep connection to the land, however, they built little or nothing in the way of permanent dwellings, which means that contemporary Europeans did not considerer them owners of the land. This was, of course, utterly incorrect, but it was a not incomprehensible view from a settlers POV, who equated lad ownership with land "improvement". It's a conundrum that is unlikely to change, sad to say.
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Aboriginal Australians have a deep connection to the land, however, they built little or nothing in the way of permanent dwellings, which means that contemporary Europeans did not considerer them owners of the land. This was, of course, utterly incorrect, but it was a not incomprehensible view from a settlers POV, who equated lad ownership with land "improvement". It's a conundrum that is unlikely to change, sad to say.
indeed.
Aboriginal Australians had improved the land just in way that the Europeans did not understand.
They used fire to manage the land and prompt the growth of desirable plants and make it useful for the animals they hunted.
https://landcareaustralia.org.au/project/traditional-aboriginal-burning-modern-day-land-management/
Europeans tried to mange the land like they did in Europe this did not work as well as traditional land management.
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The most optimistic outcome would see them having reservations.
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(1) Bligh was actually no different from many other RN captains of his time, it should be pointed out, and was not the ogre portrayed in Mutiny on the Bounty; there's also something awesome, IMO, say what you will about Bligh, about being set adrift in a launch 3,000 miles from the nearest European settlement (Timor) and managing to navigate all the way there safely without losing a man...[/QUOTE]
Probably one of the finest feats of seamanship since Irish monks reached North America.
(1) Bligh was actually no different from many other RN captains of his time, it should be pointed out, and was not the ogre portrayed in Mutiny on the Bounty; there's also something awesome, IMO, say what you will about Bligh, about being set adrift in a launch 3,000 miles from the nearest European settlement (Timor) and managing to navigate all the way there safely without losing a man...[/QUOTE]
Probably one of the finest feats of seamanship since Irish monks reached North America.
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Master stroke - solves multiple problems in the old country and sets the basis for motivated settlers and a Militia.
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Love this - there are still red pillar boxes in Sri Lanka with VR and GVR visible. Unlike Hong Kong where they were repainted and the royal cypher defaced - very petty!
In Ireland when they were introduced first they were painted green. Lter they becme red.
Anthony trollope who worked for the Royal mail in Ireland was involved in planing their use in Ireland. He later became a famous author.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Trollope
Queen Victoria got transported to Sydney in Australia after years of storage in and industrial school in county Offaly.
Ironic as so many of her subjects got Transportation to Australia as convicts.
Statues of Dublin: The unveiling (and removal) of Queen Victoria.
https://comeheretome.com/2012/05/24/statues-of-dublin-the-unveiling-and-removal-of-queen-victoria/[/quote][/quote]
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In religion, a proctor represents the clergy in Church of England dioceses. I do not think the rector collected the tithes.
Some Rectors appointed in Ireland who drew a full salary never set foot in Ireland. A job with pay where you never had to show up for work or leave the safety of England.
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It reminds me about the original meaning of sinecures, which were ecclesiastical posts whose the titular didn't had to interact with worshippers, but could earn the benefits of it.
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Thank you for this, Belfast, I was not aware of this usage outside academe and the law courts.
November 1831 - The Darling era
18 November 1831, Sydney Harbour, Colony of New South Wales
They could wait, damn their eyes, thought outgoing Governor Ralph Darling, just like he had made them wait these last four weeks. He felt there was little appreciation either from locals who viewed his rule as far too heavy handed, even tyrannical, nor from the sort of milksops that were in charge of affairs these days in London. After the short tenure of Brisbane as Governor, the changes instituted during his own tenure would, in his opinion, stand the fledgling colonies in Australia in good stead for the future.
Events under his rule were many and varied. They had organised exploration parties that had ranged as far South as the Murray River in 1824, proclaimed Van Dieman's Land as one entity under one Lieutenant Governor the same year. In 1826 the whole continent had been brought under British control when a party had landed at King George Sound in Western Australia. This had been reinforced by London finally responding to his entreaties and sending a party to establish a permanent settlement in Western Australia in 1828. In 1829 a fixed border set at the 129 meridian was established. He had sent ships to explore Northern Australia, claiming Bathurst and Melville Islands.
He had fought to keep a British presence and post on Norfolk Island, a move that had now reaped it's own benefits with the discovery of sandalwood on New Caledonia and the New Hebrides, both of which he had quickly claimed for the British Crown. All the colonies had grown and he had expanded the number of counties that were available to settle in from 19 to 30, advertising free land for settlers in London, continuing the polices of Macquarie. Settlements on the East Coast now ranged from Bateman's Bay to Port Macquarie. It had resulted in large expansions of the population, Sydney alone now a large, spread out settle housing some 17,000 people. New South Wales population was now over 50,000. Van Dieman's Land was some 30,000. New Zealand and Western Australia 1,000 or so each plus 1000 scattered over the three islands in Norfolk, New Caledonia and New Hebrides.
His army career had made him less able to mix comfortably in society and he had little tolerance for Liberal ideas, yet for all that it was himself that had set up schools for child and women prisoners, not his so called Liberal opponents. He had come into conflict with "Liberal" emancipists who wished to introduce greater political and social freedom in New South Wales, it was true, yet it seemed all too clear to him that their main aim was to accumulate power for themselves, power that should rightly reside with the Governor. Major figures in the colony such as John Macarthur were implacably hostile for this reason.
Their main aim seemed clear enough to him. They wished to enact their own laws for their own advantage, a case in point being their desire to end the gifting of land to free settlers. Whilst land was available in the form of free land grants, the landowner's power to sell their own holdings for a substantial profit and likely scuttle back to the Home Country was limited indeed. Likewise they had commenced agitation for the cessation of transportation of convicts. In Darling's own opinion, the transportation of convicts was badly needed to provide bodies for the backbreaking work of land clearance that was still an everyday occurrence. In addition, a man earning an honest ticket of leave could still achieve far above what he ever could in Britain. That was another point of order. They said he treated the convicts too harshly, yet when they received a ticket of leave and earned a small plot of land the colony's elite then considered them to be rising above their station. It was hard to achieve an equitable result in the minds of such men.
They could wait, damn their eyes, thought outgoing Governor Ralph Darling, just like he had made them wait these last four weeks. He felt there was little appreciation either from locals who viewed his rule as far too heavy handed, even tyrannical, nor from the sort of milksops that were in charge of affairs these days in London. After the short tenure of Brisbane as Governor, the changes instituted during his own tenure would, in his opinion, stand the fledgling colonies in Australia in good stead for the future.
Events under his rule were many and varied. They had organised exploration parties that had ranged as far South as the Murray River in 1824, proclaimed Van Dieman's Land as one entity under one Lieutenant Governor the same year. In 1826 the whole continent had been brought under British control when a party had landed at King George Sound in Western Australia. This had been reinforced by London finally responding to his entreaties and sending a party to establish a permanent settlement in Western Australia in 1828. In 1829 a fixed border set at the 129 meridian was established. He had sent ships to explore Northern Australia, claiming Bathurst and Melville Islands.
He had fought to keep a British presence and post on Norfolk Island, a move that had now reaped it's own benefits with the discovery of sandalwood on New Caledonia and the New Hebrides, both of which he had quickly claimed for the British Crown. All the colonies had grown and he had expanded the number of counties that were available to settle in from 19 to 30, advertising free land for settlers in London, continuing the polices of Macquarie. Settlements on the East Coast now ranged from Bateman's Bay to Port Macquarie. It had resulted in large expansions of the population, Sydney alone now a large, spread out settle housing some 17,000 people. New South Wales population was now over 50,000. Van Dieman's Land was some 30,000. New Zealand and Western Australia 1,000 or so each plus 1000 scattered over the three islands in Norfolk, New Caledonia and New Hebrides.
His army career had made him less able to mix comfortably in society and he had little tolerance for Liberal ideas, yet for all that it was himself that had set up schools for child and women prisoners, not his so called Liberal opponents. He had come into conflict with "Liberal" emancipists who wished to introduce greater political and social freedom in New South Wales, it was true, yet it seemed all too clear to him that their main aim was to accumulate power for themselves, power that should rightly reside with the Governor. Major figures in the colony such as John Macarthur were implacably hostile for this reason.
Their main aim seemed clear enough to him. They wished to enact their own laws for their own advantage, a case in point being their desire to end the gifting of land to free settlers. Whilst land was available in the form of free land grants, the landowner's power to sell their own holdings for a substantial profit and likely scuttle back to the Home Country was limited indeed. Likewise they had commenced agitation for the cessation of transportation of convicts. In Darling's own opinion, the transportation of convicts was badly needed to provide bodies for the backbreaking work of land clearance that was still an everyday occurrence. In addition, a man earning an honest ticket of leave could still achieve far above what he ever could in Britain. That was another point of order. They said he treated the convicts too harshly, yet when they received a ticket of leave and earned a small plot of land the colony's elite then considered them to be rising above their station. It was hard to achieve an equitable result in the minds of such men.
The hypocrisy of false morality is tiresome. The baying of the dogs at his heels must be suffered to employ the pack. If it were not greasy, we would all be atop the pole. The trouble with appointments is that in by-passing the grease they are not slippery when they arrive. The dogs require feeding and his heels are bare.
A larger Australia which incorporates New Zealand and the surrounding British areas could be a major power. Instead of ~30 million by modern day, maybe you bump that to 50-70 million. Makes Australasia a major major power.
again, unfortunately I don’t see how a more populous Aus can be good for the aboriginals
again, unfortunately I don’t see how a more populous Aus can be good for the aboriginals