"Uncle Adolf"

carlton_bach

Halnzder Kverldak said:
Also Stalin never eliminated tens of millions. The 60 millions victimes of communisme, the 100 millions, the 160 millions etc. Total BS!

Here`s the truth:http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?forumid=155335&messageid=1109463058&lp=1118730816
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Now, much as I deplore the current fashion for declaring all things Communist or Socialist as collectively evil and consigned to the dustheap of history, calling this particular item 'the truth' may be stretching things a little. Especially the part about the Trotskyite conspiracy.
 

ShawnEndresen

Khruschev admitted to the engineered famines. Mikoyan admitted to the engineered famines. Good enough for me. Though Robert Conquest is an imbecile.

That said, 2 problems. The first is that the Japanese were messing up a state of affairs in Asia that the USA rather liked. If "Uncle Adolph" had come out on December 8, 1941 and said, "gosh, how horrible! I'm certainly repudiating my alliance with those people right now!" then, maybe. But I can't imagine him doing that.

The other problem is that "all" the pro-Nazi Americans wanted was for America to stay out of the war. One can argue that this would have been enough for Hitler to win (although I'm not sure). But there's no one even suggesting that we fight alongside him. Stalin was not understood to be irredeemably evil by most people in 1940, although that was a matter of widespread ignorance. But Hitler was pretty obviously a bad choice for an ally even to those people who shared some of his ideas.
 

ShawnEndresen

He's a paranoid. He sets out to prove that X organization is a terrible threat to democracy, Protestant Christianity and human rights, and proceeds to do so. He cites a lot from primary sources, the older and more obscure the better, but blithely ignores readily available evidence which contradicts his thesis. Some of his sources I can access and read, and I'm not at all convinced they say what he says they do. That's a polemic, not a treatise.

Obviously my opinion, YMMV, etc.
 
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