Tsarist Russia survives

Doctor Haider

I do not think that the transition of the events of Chinese civil war to Russia is nice idea. These two countries are significally different. The White generals could not maintain their power over the most controlled regions during the real Civil War aginst the bolshevicks and hardly can do it in this ATL. There was not the Chinese feudal traditions.
As for Zhukov (do you mean the Stalin's general?) he is nobody in 10-20es.
 

das

IMHO indeed a complete translation of China to Russia is quite unlikely. What is possible is a White victory degenerating into struggle between warlords, though again I doubt that it will last for too long - Russia is comparatively easier to unite and/or keep together (as compared to China, ofcourse). And yes, Zhukov is straight out - a Chiang Kai-shek of sorts might be found in Kornilov, not as sure as to what happens later.

And no, there is no English version of the Russian althist forum.
 

Doctor Haider

Verence said:
I was thinking he could become more powerful in the 30s
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There is a lot of more powerfule persons among him in this period. The rise of Zhukov started in 1938 after the clashes with Japan. And his somewhat bonapartistic ways were not supported by the real politics talents.

Take Kornilov, he is well suited for the military dictator role (and intended to be a dictator in 1917). At least he really wanted the power.

As for the White warlords - I agree with das, it is possible after their victory in the Civil war, the tensions between them were very strong during the war. But it can't be long - someone who controls the central industrial regions (the position that bolsheviks had) can assemble the Constituent Assembly, legitimate their power by the Assemble and unify the country comparatively fast.
 

Stalker

Banned
I am afraid, I cannot add anything worthy to my colleagues' opinion.
The TL needs serious correctios to be introduced on its very early stages. Otherwise it would just be a kind of SF-Timeline.;)
 

Verence

Stalker said:
I am afraid, I cannot add anything worthy to my colleagues' opinion.
The TL needs serious correctios to be introduced on its very early stages. Otherwise it would just be a kind of SF-Timeline.;)
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That's OK, thanks to all of you for your opinions. To be fair Zhukov Kai-Shek was only at the very early planning stages anyway. I've mostly concentrated most on two other TLs. http://www.angelfire.com/weird2/althistx/WA.html This is about an America in which Britain won the War of 1812 against the US. The other is http://www.angelfire.com/weird2/althistx/va.html/. This is about an England post-1066 which is divided between the Norwegians and the Normans
 

aavans

Darkest90 said:
Mormon Socialist! Actually the Mormons did have a thing with socialism for a while, and still do a little bit, with our welfare system and 10% of all profit goes to tithing doctrine. Look up 'The United Order'.

My main thing with Trotskyism is that I believe it needs to happen on the world stage to have any success. Too many enemies of the idea. It is best aligned with my ideas. Democratic utopian socialist would be more fitting. But I could go into that for a while.

Yeah, like CalBear said, there are too many butterflies to screw up a lot of your ideas. Essentially, there could be a few exceptions (they were talking about a united Slavic state for years before WWI, a Yugoslavia might still come about). But, especially in terms with the famous people you include, you have to throw out people born after your POD.
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Yes, the Mormons certainly had our fling with socialism, albeit it was of the republican and non-marxist kind.

The Mormon experience with socialism is a mixed bag of successful efforts like Brigham City and ZCMI and other not-so-successful efforts. Mormons were conducting their socialist experiments at a time when labor unions were also setting up cooperative enterprises. Both Mormon and Labor efforts were quashed by USAmerica's liberal robber baron establishment primarily with the aid of unfavourable legislation. Brigham City was organized along Rochdale principles and was much like first phase Mondragon Cooperatives.

In the midwest the idea of a cooperative social economy was emphasised by the RLDS Church as part of its program of gathering its membership to the Kansas City region. It is an idea that I still support and may once again actively promote when the time is right.

As for one being a Mormon-Trot...o boy. Don't let your seminary teacher know about that one, Darkest90. ;)

Trotsky was right though....the revolution has to be global, otherwise what the people have left is an endless and bloody process of island-hopping efforts at social and political change. Of course, I would prefer that this revolution be a social democratic form of globalization, informed by a Christian democratic consciousness.
 

RKO General

Banned
Most people seem to think the best option was to put Olga on the throne - so did many people at the time hence the plans for her to be Regent for Alexei - and with feminism's first wave well under way the end of the sexist succession laws could happen

I really want to see a good Olga or OTMA timeline

While we are at it, as for FDR and sex - "In August 1921, while the Roosevelts were holidaying at Campobello, New Brunswick, Roosevelt was stricken with poliomyelitis, a viral infection of the nerve fibers of the spinal cord, probably contracted while swimming in the stagnant water of a nearby lake. The result was that Roosevelt was totally and permanently paralyzed from the waist down. At first the muscles of his abdomen and lower back were also affected, but these eventually recovered. Thus he could sit up and, with aid of leg-braces, stand upright, but he could not walk. Unlike in other forms of paraplegia, his bowels, bladder and sexual functions were not affected."
 
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