So far they collaborated with Tezuka and Rintaro on an adaptation of Metropolis though that was released under the Hyperion imprint, basically like if it was released under Touchstone. But they did work with Miyazaki to make Basil of Baker Street or TTL’s the Great Mouse Detective which is a Disney animated canon film and now Nadia and the Secret of Blue Water. OTL Miyazaki’s output started to decrease from a film every two years to every four years or so but TTL’s Treasure Planet is on the list.
Trying to Please Everyone: Or Converting multiple Pop Culture Utopias into a Timeline.
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DragonMan(1988-1995)
DragonMan(1988-1995)
Dragonboy had a rough start but found its footing when it began focusing on the fighting aspect of the series. In-Universe, the protagonist Tangtong had grown up. He was no longer a Dragonboy. So this warranted a name change into DragonMan to mirror the character’s adulthood. At the conclusion of Dragonboy, Tangtong had defeated Demon King Piccolo in battle, but he had spat out an egg which became Piccolo Jr. Our hero went onto marry Princess Bulma.
The Saiyan Saga
It is now four years later, and a mysterious being arrives in a pod from Space. He is there searching for someone named Kakarot. He encounters Piccolo first and they briefly fight but he easily defeats the Demon. He then senses and arrives at the Castle of Princess Bulma. Without efforts he defeats the army guarding the palace and stops before Tangtong. We learn he has a four year old son named Goku. Radtiz explains that Tantong was sent to prepare the planet for invasion, which he does not remember, though he realizes he bumped his head as a child. Raditz easily defeats him and abducts Goku as a hostage to force Tangtong to conquer the planet. Tangtong assembles his old friends including Kururin, Tien, Chiatzou, Yamcha and Yajirobe. Piccolo approaches Raditz to form an alliance, warning about the group who eventually arrive. Raditz easily overpowers the group but avoids killing them as he wants to convince Tangtong to join him in taking the planet. While Tangtong is defeated he refuses to give up and this allows the group to defeat Raditz using strategy but Tangtong is mortally wounded. To make matters worse, he fails to kill Raditz. They then discover that Piccolo took Goku during the fight and while Raditz was barely defeated, two more Saiyans are coming to Earth. Raditz, knowing he will be killed for his defeat, decides to throw in his luck with the warriors on Earth for his own survival.
Now let me make something clear. Something which shocked everyone when it occurred and many were still in denial for some time afterwards. Tangtong is dead. He can come back thank to Fortuneteller Baba but this lasts for 24 Hours. He will not be resurrected. Akira Toriyama has just done the unthinkable and killed off the main character in what is essentially the first five minutes of the sequel[1]
Now Tangtong doesn’t disappear from the story and this helped mitigate the impact as he was soon after shown in the afterlife where Kami, convinced the deity King Yemma to let him train in the spirit world with the master King Kai. He intends to train to become stronger and use his one day Fortuneteller Baba can bring him back to fight the Saiyans when they arrive. On Earth, Tangtong’s friends search for Piccolo and Goku. Raditz actually joins forces with Piccolo, preferring his methods and begins to train them. Not only he does become a nicer person from establishing a genuine friendship with the two but he also begins to indoctrinate Goku into being a bloodthirsty killer. Piccolo also begins to think Raditz is pushing the boy too far. One night, Goku looks at the moon and turns into a Dragon, which Saiyans can do. Raditz easily subdued and removes his Dragon tail. Raditz nearly kills Piccolo but he prevents Raditz from killing by revealing the Dragonballs exist. They cannot bring back the dead but they can grow in power depending on who holds them. Due to their connection, Kami knows the two villains are coming and takes the heroes of Earth to train in the Room of Spirit and Time only to be interrupted by the two villains and defeated. Raditz grabs a Dragonball and the power of the Dragon spikes, causing him to take it, but his outburst of power inadvertently freed a being Kami imprisoned long ago called Garlic.
The Moment of truth finally came as the Saiyans arrived, vaporizing a city immediately upon arrival. Raditz and Piccolo intentionally hold off on interfering and prevent Goku from doing so, intending to let everyone else die weakening the group. The two Saiyans are revealed to be Nappa and Vegeta and they plant a seed which causes a tree to grow which begins draining the planet of life. Garlic approaches the two Saiyans and reveals he can grant them immortality if they give him the Dragonballs. Raditz and Piccolo have two, one that Tangtong had, one that Goku had. Kururin,Tien, Yamcha, Chiatzou, and Yajirobe each have one.
Garlic’s presence leads Kami to intervene which brings in Piccolo since he is afraid of fading away if Kami is “Stupid enough to get himself killed”. This in turn leads Raditz to reluctantly get involved due to his friendship with Piccolo and also the young Goku seeing his two mentors leave despite their orders to stay behind. Raditz intervenes and saves Yamcha from an exploding creature called a Saibaman the tree is sprouting. He explains to the group that the tree absorbs energy from the Earth. Hearing this, Tangtong asks Fortuneteller Baba to revive him now and he begins creating the Spirit Bomb, stealing energy from the Tree so that it shrivels and dies. In order to help lift the tree so it isn’t absorbing energy from the ground, Raditz fires an artificial moon and transforms into his Dragon form. Realizing what he is doing, Nappa also transforms but Vegeta avoids doing so willingly by not looking at the sky. Nappa and Raditz begin fighting in their dragon forms with the other fighters following Raditz’s instructions and cutting off Nappa’s tail. The world ending Tree is set on fire. Raditz tells the others to distract Nappa while he lifts the Tree only for Vegeta to cut off his tail, reducing him to his normal form. Nappa easily defeats Yamcha, Chitazou, Kururin, Piccolo and Tien, who loses an arm. To save the life of his friends, Tantong hurls the Spirit Bomb at Nappa and everybody moves out of the way except for Chiatzou, who uses his telekinesis to hold Nappa in place. Nappa’s power allows him to resist enough to reach Chiatzou and he forces several Saibaman seeds down Chiatzou’s throat. The Spirit Bomb makes contact and a blast consumes the entire area.
To everyone’s horror, Nappa is still alive but collapses in exhaustion. Chiatzou senses that the Saibaman within his body are preparing to grow out of him and explode and he says goodbye to Tien before flying directly into the Tree of Might, which then explodes as Kururin and Yajirobe and the others are cutting the roots. Vegeta, who willingly stayed out of it, joins the battle. He kills a weakened Nappa for his failure and takes Chitazou’s Dragonball. With the rest of the heroes exhausted, Raditz, and Tangtong jump into fight Vegeta while Piccolo and Kami help fight Garlic. Kami reveals that Garlic used the Dragonballs to grant him immortality, forcing Kami to exile him, but this was before Kami split himself from his other half. Piccolo and Kami argue over whether or not they should become one being once more as Piccolo fears he will die but Kami says the strongest half will survive. They finally decide to fuse and to his surprise Piccolo is the dominant personality. With this new power, he easily overpowers and vaporizes Garlic. The Fusion and disappearance of Kami causes the Dragonballs to disappear, which angers Vegeta. He sees Goku arriving and fires a blast at him which Raditz takes, being mortally wounded. Raditz says goodbye to Goku and Tangtong, apologizing for his actions and thanking them before he dies. His last act is to bring back Goku and Tangtong’s tails. Tangtong begins to spark in rage as if about to transform but Vegeta knocks him out before he could do anything[2].
Goku transforms and battles Vegeta in his own Dragon form and gives Tangtong enough time to remove Vegeta’s tail. Vegeta is seemingly killed when he is crushed but Goku goes on a rampage which forces everyone to work together until Tangtong calms him down. In the chaos, Vegeta escapes in a pod. Tangtong spends the last of his time saying goodbye to his son while teaching him the Spirit Bomb. He finally says farewell and vanishes[3]
The Namekian Saga
Most of the other fighters recover in hospital. Piccolo reveals his new memories after fusing with Kami and explains that some long forgotten memories indicate a planet called Namek that is home to it’s own Dragonballs said to be able to revive the dead. Goku, Kururin and Piccolo head there with Bulma. They arrive and find that the planet is being invaded by the tyrant Lord Frieza, Vegeta has also arrived there. An enemy of his in the Frieza Force named Cui follows him, intending to kill him now that the Frieza Force has labelled him a fugitive. Piccolo picks a fight with Frieza to save a Namekian village but struggles against Frieza’s servant Dodoria. Until the fight between Vegeta and Cui enters the village. Piccolo and Vegeta unintentionally join forces to fight Frieza’s henchmen, Dodoria, Zarbon, and Cui. Kururin and Goku save a child Namekian named Dende and on his request take him to the elder of Namek, who summons a warrior named Nail to join the fight and he commands them to flee in different directions to draw out the forces. Vegeta reveals he is far stronger than he was on Earth thanks to a Zenkai boost and kills Cui. Piccolo is overpowered by Zarbon while Nail kills Dodoria. Frieza decides to call the mercenary Ginyu Force for backup. Kururin and Goku had their potential unlocked by the grand elder. Vegeta battles Zarbon but is defeated and brought back to the ship. This was a plan to break out and steal the Namekian Dragonballs in Frieza’s posession. Zarbon engages Vegeta again but due to his Zenkai boost, Vegeta kills him and rejoins the heroes. He intends to fight them when he sees the Ginyu Force arriving. A battle ensues.
Vegeta, Piccolo, Nail, Kururin and Goku fight the Ginyu Force but struggle against them. When a ship containing the recovered, Tien, Yamcha and Yajirobe arrive. The Ginyu Force are one by one defeated by the Heroes using strategy with Yajirobe decapitating Guldo, Jeice and Burter being defeated by Tien and Yamcha, and Vegeta defeating Recoome after gaining a Zenkai boost. Frieza realizes that a Namekian is needed to activate the Dragonballs and heads towards Guru, Piccolo and Nail head to defend him. They do well against the Ginyu, but he reveals his ability to switch bodies and possesses Nail. Piccolo fights Ginyu in Nail’s body and needs to head to Guru to get his potential unlocked, which he had refused before. Ginyu blows up Guru’s home just as Piccolo reaches him. Frieza arrives and becomes angry at Ginyu until Piccolo emerges. Guru is revealed to have been killed which causes the Dragonballs to stop working. In rage, Frieza violently shoots Ginyu in Nail’s body several times. Ginyu tries to switch bodies with Frieza but the tyrant avoids this attack. The beam turns to attack Piccolo, who is able to throw a Namekian frog in the way. Ginyu possesses the frog, which is promptly vaporized.
Piccolo fights Frieza and is struggling against him when he sees that Nail, now no longer possessed, is still alive and fuses with Piccolo to grant him power. This power boost allows him to begin to win and Frieza reveals he can transform and does so. Vegeta, now with a Zenkai arrives with the others and this forces Frieza to transform again. Goku has the idea to use the Spirit Bomb, which the surviving Namekians contribute to. The others distract Frieza until the Spirit Bomb is launched. The attack appears to succeed and everyone is about to celebrate until Piccolo is shot. Frieza reveals the planet is collapsing. Frieza reveals to Vegeta that he destroyed Planet Vegeta, killing most of the Saiyans. This causes Vegeta to spark in anger and transforms into the Legendary Super Saiyan. A fight ensues, which gives everyone else time to escape.
During the battle, A flashback is shown that follows Tangtong’s father, Bardock. Bardock is sent to conquer a planet for the Saiyans. His son Tangtong was born with a power level of 2, which he considers a disappointment. His wife Gine, insists he can get better. She scans other babies with weak levels and finds one that reads 10,000 though Bardock dismisses this as a joke(it turns out to be foreshadowing for Broly). Bardock leaves to decimate a planet with his group, to clear his mind he goes off alone and encounters an alien who claims that he saw the future but no one believed him. He tries to warn Bardock that Frieza will betray the Saiyans. Bardock dismisses this but his last act is to transfer his powers to Bardock shortly before he is killed. Bardock begins to experience future visions and returns to find his squad killed by Dodoria. He tries to warn the Saiyans but fails. He dies making his last stand against Frieza. Toriyama later stated he had nothing to do with the story but he liked it so much that it was decided that it would go in-between the Vegeta and Frieza fight as Toriyama needed time to finish the manga. It lasted two episodes, but the fight was finished the next episode[4]. Rather than flee when the Planet exposed Vegeta held Frieza down so that both seemingly perished in the explosion of the planet. Goku brings the Namekians to Earth, where they make formal contact with Earth.
The Cyborg Saga
The next part was delayed as Toriyama didn’t want to begin the new arc with filler, namely the plan to bring back Garlic. Instead, a subplot was introduced revealing the Vegeta was alive and gathering his own forces to battle Frieza’s brother Cooler. Piccolo has also left with a group of Namekians and intends to kill Vegeta if he can. Vegeta and Coolor meet and begin a battle. Where Vegeta reveals his Super Saiyan form. Cooler counters with a form of his own which Frieza lacked. Piccolo intervenes hoping to bring down both but is swat aside. He provides a distraction that saves Vegeta and allows him to kill Cooler. Piccolo returns to Earth with Vegeta arriving after him soon after. Both are surprised when Frieza and Cooler’s father King Cold is felt approaching Earth for revenge. Upon arriving he is confronted by a mysterious teenager, who reveals himself as a Super Saiyan, shocking Vegeta. Vegeta and the mysterious stranger work together to kill King Cold. After which the Stranger refuses to reveal his origins but warns of two androids which will appear in three years and that they should prepare. He then vanishes into a machine.
Three years pass. Vegeta and Bulma have had a son. The androids finally appear and are a white faced large android and an old man. The fighting begins and Vegeta as a Super Saiyan struggles against them with the White faced Android 19, nearly killing him by unleashing a deadly plague. Most of the heroes are nearly killed. The mysterious stranger arrives and reveals that he is from the future. In his time, the Virus devastated the Earth but he did not know the Androids had released it. He reveals himself as the son of Vegeta and Bulma from the future and with his time machine, sends Vegeta to the future devastated by the Androids where Bulma found a cure. Vegeta is cured and has the situation explained to him. He immediately plans to go fight the Androids in this time despite just losing to them, thinking his Zenkai boost is enough. Bulma refuses to let him go out of fear of losing him again but he promises to come back and leaves. As he confronts the Androids, he is nearly killed and the Androids taunt him with their memories of already killing him. He is saved by another Super Saiyan revealed to be and adult Goku, who in a flashback, went Super Saiyan when the Androids kills Piccolo. The two begin working together to fight the Androids and are struggling against them until suddenly Android 20’s head explodes. This is revealed to be a sniper shot from Bulma, who has donned a mechanical suit rather than sit on the sidelines. Android 19 panics and attacks everyone but the two Saiyans work together to destroy the Android. They then prepare to send Vegeta back to his own time only for a mysterious figure to steal the time machine.
In the “Present”, Goku and Trunks decide to enter the Hyperbolic Time Chamber to train a year’s worth in a day. Piccolo finds that Garlic has regenerated from being seemingly vaporized due to his immortality and makes a deal for the two to fuse to defeat the Androids. He reluctantly does so and manages to defeat Android 19 on his own, forcing Android 20 to flee but Bulma is able to track him with the others to his lair. Android 20 is revealed to be the creator of the Androids Dr.Gero and awakens Androids 13,14, and 15, but does not activate Androids 16,17, and 18, seemingly out of fear. They head out and fight the Heroes but are defeated due to being weaker models until Androids 13 fuses with the remains of 14 and 15, becoming much more powerful. Goku and Trunks arrive and Goku uses the Spirit Bomb despite the protests of everyone about how the Androids absorb energy. Goku instead absorbs the energy and uses it to destroy Android 13. With no other options, Gero activates Androids 17 and 18, two teenager, who kill Gero. They then activate Android 16. The Heroes burst through but to their surprise, the Androids do not want to fight. Android 16 was built to kill Tangtong for his role in bringing down the Red Ribbon Army but he is dead. The Androids then decide to leave despite the protests of Trunks, resulting in a fight between Goku and Trunks where Goku refuses to back down and supports the idea of the Androids being free to determine their own destiny.
Bulma contacts the group and reveals the discovery of the ruins of a Time Machine, akin to the one that Trunks has. He decided to go back and check on his own time. He reveals the existence of other Androids to Vegeta, and Goku and all three head out to find Gero’s lab. Trunks claims the Androids were evil so that Goku could destroy them. They attack and destroy most of the Androids but in their search, discover a broken container, implying one escaped. Trunks tries telling Vegeta that they should destroy the Androids but he sides with Goku as he believes they would be good opponents if they live. He therefore fights Trunks. When the remaining Cyborgs of 17 and 18 are woken up, Trunks attacks them, triggering a fight. Its revealed that Gero removed the minds of Cyborgs 17 and 18, making them mindless killing machines. A fight ensues and Vegeta’s arm is broken while Goku is killed saving Trunks, causing him to go Super Saiyan for the first time. Trunks blames himself and willingly agrees to return to the present with Vegeta to find a way to destroy the Cyborgs
In the present, Bulma discovers a strange creature in Gero’s lab and decides not to kill it but experiment on it. Piccolo investigates a decimated town, finding a creature calling itself Imperfect Cell which is absorbing people. It escapes from Piccolo and goes after the Cyborgs. Bulma also turns Yamcha and Kururin, both heavily injured by the Cyborgs, into Cyborgs themselves, making them stronger. They are both initially angry at this but calm down as it was the only way to save their lives. Kururin gets to know Cyborg 18 and tries to defend her. When Cell comes for her 17 is absorbed as the heroes try to stop him. Bulma is able to invent a remote to shut off the Cyborgs. It is used in the future and used by Bulma to kill Cyborgs 17 and 18, appearing before them in a lab coat and standing up to them for killing her friends. She hesitates to do the same to Android 16 as he appears to be much kinder and she lets him live. He is later shown assisting Bulma in repairing civilization.
When Trunks and Vegeta return to the “Present” they prepare to use the remote but Kururin hesitates and smashes the remote after refusing to kill Cyborg 18 and she is absorbed. Cell therefore becomes Perfect Cell. Toriyama later commented that his editor continued to be disappointed in the look of the final boss, calling the original two androids “A Geyser and a Fatso”, and then disliking Cyborgs 17 and 18, followed by Cell, who received different forms when the editor was not satisfied.
Perfect Cell decided to hold the Cell Games, vowing to destroy the Earth if no one can challenge him in that time and creates an arena when he easily defeats the Heroes. The Heroes train but Vegeta receives a visitor in the Saiyans Paragus and Broly. This turns out to be a trap and Vegeta is taken to a planet to fight Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan. Vegeta struggles but as he is about to die, he has an epiphany and destroys the devices Paragus was using to control Broly and Broly swears loyalty to Vegeta but asks to have Paragus spared. Vegeta agrees and goes with them back to Earth. When the time for the Cell Games arrive, Cell creates three smaller clones of himself with different DNA elements including one for Saiyan, Namekian and Human. Tien Shinhan takes down the Human DNA Cell Jr with his tri-beam but nearly dies in the process. The Namekian Cell Jr is killed when Piccolo realizes he can read its mind due to the Namekian telepathy and learns of a weakness Cell has in the form of a nucleus, which he destroys with his special beam cannon. The Saiyan Cell Jr is defeated by Broly and Vegeta.
With Perfect Cell being the only one left. Vegeta chooses Broly to go first. The fight is pretty evenly matched. Paragus explains that Broly’s power is linked to his anger. Hearing this, Perfect Cell kills Paragus with a beam and blames Vegeta for it, causing Broly to attack Vegeta. Goku is left the last one standing after everyone is defeated. Android 16, attempts to blow himself up to take Cell with him but is decapitated. He gives Goku words of encouragement before Cell crushes his head. Goku snaps and his anger triggers his transformation into a Super Saiyan for the first time. Everyone gives Goku their energy and though he loses an arm. He continues fighting. Realizing he is losing, Cell attempts to absorb Kururin since he is now an Android and appears to succeed. Vegeta finally convinces Broly of Cell’s action and he jumps into help. With all their beams combined, Cell begins to be vaporized. Kururin is able to fight his way out of Cell, saving 18 and escaping by bursting out of Cell. This provides an opening which allows Cell to be vaporized by the combined attack.
With the threat over, Kururin and Cyborg 18 begin dating, and Trunks returns to his own time. A Professional Wrestler called Hercule Satan who was swatted aside when he tried to fight Cell is falsely thought to have defeated him. Nervous about keeping up the facade, he tracks down the actual fighters responsible including Tien Shinhan and asks to be trained by him.
The Majin Saga
Seven Years after the events of Cell Saga. Goku is now going to High School and is acting as a Super hero called the Great Saiyaman. He meets Videl, the daughter of Mr.Satan, who learns his secret identity and makes him promise not teach her how to fly. Another tournament is coming up and several of the fighters join. Mr.Satan, Cyborg 18, the young Trunks and Cyborg 21(this timeline’s Imperfect Cell reprogrammed by Bulma[5]) are among the newcomers. The Supreme Kai arrives on Earth and competes. He defeats Piccolo in the tournament but is impressed by the power of the heroes enough to explain that he is there because the Wizard Babidi seeks to awaken the ancient evil of Majin Buu, sealed away long ago and has recruited the Demon Dabura, and the Space Pirate Bojack with his crew. Most of the heroes leave to find Babidi and only Cyborg 18, Cyborg 21,Mr.Satan, and Trunks stay behind. Cyborg 18 brutally attacks Cyborg 21, out of anger towards Perfect Cell before calming down. She then steps out, leading Mr.Satan to win by default. Meanwhile the heroes fight Dabura and Bojack. Dabura turns many to stone and fights Goku on even footing. Broly fights Bojack and they are also similarly matched. Kururin is nearly killed by Bojack’s minion Zangya before he is rescued by he arrival of Cyborg 18, who arrives with Cyborg 21. 21 helps Goku fight Dabura but ends up accidentally absorbing him and transforming into a Perfect Form with Dabura fighting to control him from within. Babidi succeeds in mind controlling Vegeta despite his efforts to resist and he attacks Goku. This allows for enough energy to free Majin Buu, who is shown to be childlike. This allows Mr.Satan, who arrives shortly after to talk Buu down and he murders Babidi. Mr.Satan nervously befriends him after he slaughters a city full of people.
The threat is seemingly resolved as Mr.Satan works to reform Majin Buu but two men, angry at their loved ones kill by Majin Buu attack him and shoot both Mr.Satan and a puppy that Majin Buu had adopted. This angers Buu and he kills them and several people in collateral damage. He asks for Mr.Satan to help him. He is taken to Piccolo, who explains the technique of splitting your good and evil selves. They plan to trap the evil hand by either the Mafuba or in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. They go through the technique but Majin Buu’s evil half turns his good half into Candy and eats him. He is trapped in the room of Spirit in Time but his scream tears a hole in reality and he escapes. Goku and Vegeta both fight him. Supreme Kai reveals a technique which would allow them to fuse and they do so, creating Gogeta. They fight fairly evenly but come up with a plan to be absorbed but protect themselves with their energy. This allows them to enter and free the people absorbed by Majin Buu including the good Buu, causing him to revert back to only his evil half, who nearly destroys the world. As this is going in Dabura possesses Perfect 21 and tries to attack Goku in revenge and the others to fight him including Cyborg 18. The villain is split in half and regenerates into two beings, allowing Perfect 21 to fight Dabura and destroy him. To defeat Majin Buu, Goku begins to power up the Spirit Bomb while Vegeta holds him off. To fuel the Spirit Bomb, Mr. Satan publicly reveals he is not Earth’s hero and encourages the people to support Goku, earth’s real hero who defeated Cell. Vegeta, realizing he won’t make it, says goodbye to Trunks and attacks Majin Buu by holding him down. Majin Buu kills Vegeta but this distraction allows the Spirit Bomb to destroy Majin Buu[6].
The series ends with the world recovering. The Good Buu is alive in secret. Videl and Goku continue dating A time jump shows the world still at peace. Goku and Video now have a daughter named Pan while Bulma had another child named Bra, presumably conceived before Vegeta’s death. The two children square off in the World Martial Arts Tournament, each taking fighting stances similar to Tangong and Vegeta in their first battle. The Spirits of Tangtong and Vegeta are seen watching. And with that the series ends.
When the series ended there was much talk of a sequel. Toriyama considered the series done but Toei animation wanted a sequel due to its popularity. Toriyama wanted to be finished but it seemed the series would go on without him. Toriyama wanted to own the franchise and had previously turned down attempts to make stand alone films with original villains and instead worked towards adding those villains into the series proper as best he could. With Toei wanting to make a film with original villains, Toriyama got involved once more to veto this idea, but then got to thinking. While he considered the series done he was not oppose to creating a series of sequel films[7].
Notes
[1] One aspect of Dragonball Z that has been criticized is the Dragonballs being able to wish people back to life making death in the series meaningless. ITTL since the Dragonballs work differently and summon a dragon who’s strength depends on the user. This means that death is much more permanent without that feature…unfortunately the amount of deaths has stayed the same.
[2] Another somewhat of a monkey’s paw element as most fans expected or wished Raditz featured more. ITTL he does but dies in the place of Piccolo OTL. ITTL it is a common theory that Tangtong would have gone Super Saiyan at this point had Vegeta not knocking him out as Vegeta ITTL is a different character from OTL Vegeta and has no problem knocking someone out mid transformation.
[3] A twist on two OTL elements. The first is the fans comment that Goku does everything. Tangtong stays dead so his son Goku becomes the protagonist, except he’s also been composited with Gohan, thus indirectly alluding to the fan wish and expectation that Goku would pass the role of hero of the story to his son Gohan.
[4]OTL this was an infamous situation where the battle was supposed to last 5 minutes but lasted 5 episodes, making it the longest fight in anime history as Toriyama was still making the fight. ITTL they moved Episode of Bardock to a filler chapter as something Frieza recalls.
[5] Android 21 was an unofficial name for Cell. Later on the game Dragonball FighterZ introduced an original character named Android 21, though no one either in universe or ITTL in the 90’s would know that Android 21 would exist and they are likely Cyborg 22 instead.The name is a bit tricky as the term in Japanese is “Artificial Human” which applies to androids and Cyborgs, both of which are used in the series.
[6] There is no Uub ITTL as while it is in character for OTL Goku to wish for a strong enemy to be reincarnated as someone good, it’s less in character for Goku ITTL due to being partly Gohan.
[7] Yeah here’s the tricky part as Toei is likely to at least try to make some equivalent to Dragonball GT even without Toriyama’s influence, so ITTL while he wanted to end the series, he’s reached a compromise. The end result will be a series of films combining elements of Dragonball GT with Dragonball Super, though obviously resurrecting Frieza is out of the question.
Some elements were taken from several stories in Masako X's What if series, mostly for Raditz's characterization if they survived and Cyborg 21, and to an extent the fanfiction Bringer of Death where Vegeta went Super Saiyan.
I havent watched DBZ, but this is a good idea to make stakes more permanent and not something easily handwaved.
Th email differences regarding Z are that tang tong is named Goku and his son is named Gohan. Goku dies sacrificing himself to kill Raditz but is wished back to life by the dragon balls for the final fight with Napa and Vegeta. Piccolo dies in that fight as do Yamaha, Tien and Chiatzou. The next arc is going to Namek when they learn they have dragon balls to wish their friends back to life. Goku recovers in the hospital but arrives late to help and has the final showdown with Frieza where he becomes Super Saiyan when Krillin dies. Frieza also killed Vegeta. Everyone was brought back. The android saga really only killed off Goku who died saving everyone from Cell. Goku willingly stayed dead but came back 7 years later for one day. He was later proper brought back to life. Vegeta died there as well to kill a villain and redeem himself but that turned out to be all for nothing and he was brought back as well. Making Buu also killed almost everyone on Earth but they were brought back. The most permanent death in the series is probably Android 16, who because he was an android couldn’t be brought back.
After looking at the OTL anime releases which are somewhat sparse in my opinion as from Liki’s Delivery Service. I’ve decided to Jump World to 1989. Shonen jump did release an anniversary famicon game that year for their 20th anniversary. Since this will be an event held every ten years, it also means that an entire decade’s worth of anime will be included with long runners being updated. I looked up some fan attempts to do this idea but they usually seem to fall apart. Hence why I’m taking the approach of merging the universes starting at the celebrated 20th anniversary with other franchises being added in when they do it again in 1999,2009, and 2019.
Since we’re still on the Japan train as of right now, what happens to No Longer Human and Osamu Dazai ITTL?
Dazai completed “Goodbye “ which was unfinished OTL before taking his own life. Sadly he seemed determined to do so.
1994 or so. Which is when he usually passes away or is estimated to pass away if he gives up smoking. American Magic comes to mind.
Hey there Marco, this will be abit of a lightning round of questions from me, so I hope 7 isn’t too many to ask at the moment, but what happened to all of these things ITTL?
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Ruins (comics) - Wikipedia
Crossed (comics) - Wikipedia
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Hocus Pocus (1993 film) - Wikipedia
Tower of Terror (1997 film) - Wikipedia
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I actually will be going year by year for comics once I’m done with anime which will show the butterflies but I do plan on Marvels existing . Ruins however will be different as Ellis was encouraged to create more of a Watchmen style dark parody with marvel characters. The plot becomes about Phil Sheldon searching for heroes to oppose The corrupt President Xavier, the main antagonist. As such the tone is more balanced since while many heroes died during their origins there are still some available to fight back.Hey there Marco, this will be abit of a lightning round of questions from me, so I hope 7 isn’t too many to ask at the moment, but what happened to all of these things ITTL?
Ruins (comics) - Wikipedia
Crossed is currently unaltered though that is subject to change.Crossed (comics) - Wikipedia
Was greenlit as a theatre production and as such was never made into a film.The Platform (film) - Wikipedia
Released early 2010’s as a film. Partly helped by Tarantino helming an American remake of Battle Royale. Proving the concept had merit.Squid Game - Wikipedia
Named Halloween House due to an original script which has all the kids be 12 years olds and is much darker, before comedy was added. No virgin jokes here. Also it has Cloris Leachman instead of Bette Midler.Hocus Pocus (1993 film) - Wikipedia
The Tower of Terror Ride was conceived earlier than OTL which resulted in Disney himself meeting with Rod Serling, who provided narration and even made a corresponding Twilight Zone episode, butterflying away the film.Tower of Terror (1997 film) - Wikipedia
So far not changed. Two of Lloyd’s main roles of Doc Brown and Judge Doom are recast with John Lithgow and Jon Pertwee so I figured I should give him something.When Good Ghouls Go Bad - Wikipedia
Thank you for answering all of them! Also yes I do agree that Lloyd deserves some more love ITTL.
Also, while I don’t have any concrete ideas right now, I’ve been watching some videos of creepypastas, specifically modern reinterpretations of old classic stories and how they are better than the originals, and hence I thought maybe I could suggest some changes so that some of the classic creepy-pastas are better written ITTL.
My Battle Royale idea is one of the Channels does a tv movie but the ads for the movie , make it look like a survivors style game show.
It is played as a TV game show up until the first of the kids is killed.
Then it become obvious that it is a fictional movie .
It is Tarantino’s favorite movie and so him directing an American adaptation works for me. Also the reason we never got an American Battle Royale movie was because Hunger Games beat them to the punch so studios fear everyone would see it as a Hunter games ripoff so it’s important it comes out before then. Squid Game does sort of have that fake out though it’s a film and not a show. I’m sure another series could have it.
Okay so I decided to write down some ideas I had for creepypastas and other Internet/web horror worITTL and to see what you think of them.
1999
The author doesn’t plagiarise Alantutorial and continues to update the story instead of running off after being called out.
Abandoned by Disney
Same as OTL.
Anasi's Goatman Story
Same as OTL.
Annie96 is typing...
Same as OTL.
Annora Petrova
Same as OTL.
Autopilot
Same as OTL.
Borrasca
Same as OTL. Considered one of the best creepypastas of all time.
Cameraheads
Is an actual ARG that isn’t abandoned after a few posts, still becomes lost and rediscovered several years later, with most people agreeing that the story behind it is more interesting than the story itself.
Candle Cove
Same as OTL.
CatGhost
Same as OTL.
Doors
Same as OTL.
Found on the Tape
Is eventually solved by 2016, instead of remaining an unsolved ARG.
Herobrine
Same as OTL.
I'm a 911 operator. Just had the most terrifying call...
Same as OTL.
I'm a Search and Rescue Officer for the US Forest Service, I have some stories to tell
Same as OTL.
Jordan Underneath
He doesn’t purge his old channel, while also keeping on doing the same kind of content that he wants to do and is happy doing.
My Dad’s Tapes
The series doesn’t fumble at the end, and manages to have an official conclusion instead of ceasing uploads.
My dead girlfriend keeps messaging me on Facebook.
Same as OTL unless Facebook doesn’t exist ITTL.
NoEnd House
Same as OTL.
Penpal
Same as OTL. Considered one of the best creepypastas of all time.
Persuaded
Same as OTL.
Psychosis
Same as OTL, and is still known for its amazing plot twist at the end. Considered one of the best creepypastas of all time.
Slenderman
Still exists and becomes popular, but neither the stabbing or the bad movies ever happen, with the king of creepypastas still decreasing in popularity, but having a cleaner reputation. Marble Hornets also still exists as a result.
Sonic.exe
Is better written. Like you suggested maybe ITTL it’s just a single game rather than a story.
Squidward's Suicide/Red Mist
It’s better written, like what you provided in your suggestion in our DMs.
Suicide Mouse
Same as OTL?
Ted the Caver
Same as OTL.
The Human Pet
“This Tape Will Send You To Hell” is never uploaded, with the series continuing on and eventually coming to an official end in 2010.
The Keyhole
Same as OTL.
The Russian Sleep Experiment
May or may not exist depending on if the Soviet Union still exists in this reality.
The Spongebob Guy
Same as OTL.
Tribe Twelve
Considering that I just learned about this today when searching up this series again, I’m not sure what should be done surrounding what the creator did, either he never does those things or the series simply never exists.
Where Bad Kids Go
Same as OTL, unless Lebanon is different ITTL.
That is all I’ve got so far.
1999
The author doesn’t plagiarise Alantutorial and continues to update the story instead of running off after being called out.
Abandoned by Disney
Same as OTL.
Anasi's Goatman Story
Same as OTL.
Annie96 is typing...
Same as OTL.
Annora Petrova
Same as OTL.
Autopilot
Same as OTL.
Borrasca
Same as OTL. Considered one of the best creepypastas of all time.
Cameraheads
Is an actual ARG that isn’t abandoned after a few posts, still becomes lost and rediscovered several years later, with most people agreeing that the story behind it is more interesting than the story itself.
Candle Cove
Same as OTL.
CatGhost
Same as OTL.
Doors
Same as OTL.
Found on the Tape
Is eventually solved by 2016, instead of remaining an unsolved ARG.
Herobrine
Same as OTL.
I'm a 911 operator. Just had the most terrifying call...
Same as OTL.
I'm a Search and Rescue Officer for the US Forest Service, I have some stories to tell
Same as OTL.
Jordan Underneath
He doesn’t purge his old channel, while also keeping on doing the same kind of content that he wants to do and is happy doing.
My Dad’s Tapes
The series doesn’t fumble at the end, and manages to have an official conclusion instead of ceasing uploads.
My dead girlfriend keeps messaging me on Facebook.
Same as OTL unless Facebook doesn’t exist ITTL.
NoEnd House
Same as OTL.
Penpal
Same as OTL. Considered one of the best creepypastas of all time.
Persuaded
Same as OTL.
Psychosis
Same as OTL, and is still known for its amazing plot twist at the end. Considered one of the best creepypastas of all time.
Slenderman
Still exists and becomes popular, but neither the stabbing or the bad movies ever happen, with the king of creepypastas still decreasing in popularity, but having a cleaner reputation. Marble Hornets also still exists as a result.
Sonic.exe
Is better written. Like you suggested maybe ITTL it’s just a single game rather than a story.
Squidward's Suicide/Red Mist
It’s better written, like what you provided in your suggestion in our DMs.
Suicide Mouse
Same as OTL?
Ted the Caver
Same as OTL.
The Human Pet
“This Tape Will Send You To Hell” is never uploaded, with the series continuing on and eventually coming to an official end in 2010.
The Keyhole
Same as OTL.
The Russian Sleep Experiment
May or may not exist depending on if the Soviet Union still exists in this reality.
The Spongebob Guy
Same as OTL.
Tribe Twelve
Considering that I just learned about this today when searching up this series again, I’m not sure what should be done surrounding what the creator did, either he never does those things or the series simply never exists.
Where Bad Kids Go
Same as OTL, unless Lebanon is different ITTL.
That is all I’ve got so far.
I would be happy to see 1999 continued and not just left open ended due to the plagiarism I just learned about.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Abandoned by Disney expanded upon into more Disney media based creepypasta works possibly involving both Disney films and TV shows as well as the parks. Maybe have some creepypastas that skewer Walt Disney flaws as a person. Or how about a creepypasta based off the real life Mickey Mouse s*x tape?
What do you think of Jeff the Killer?
Can CreepsMcPasta be a better person here and avoid inappropriate interactions with an underage fan that lead to his online grooming allegations? His voice is just too good for listen to. I would rather be not be a creep in real life.
Me too.
That’s interesting.
No strong opinions.
I wish, I loved his videos too growing up, I’m not sure if “they simply never do those things ever and are a good person as a result“ is exactly an option here.