Tramp in Armour.

In 1936 the Kiev Manoeuvres took place in the Soviet Union, during the event the foreign military observers witnessed a large display of BT-5 tanks with impressive speed and firepower in the shape of the 45 mm Cannon . At the time the Spanish Civil had just begun and astute observers took note of what was occurring.

Prior to this the General Staff had wanted a cheap tank using commercially available components and as a result the rather impressive Matilda 1 was born with great armour a robust suspension and a very inadequate armament. The vision of the BT-5 saw the Cruiser tank series born and begin to appear from late 1936. For the first time an evaluation using representative targets occurred under the supervision of several soldiers familiar with both the Spanish Civil war currently raging and the use of Mark 1 and 11 tanks in India against tribal fighters. The outcome was scathing. The Cruiser had broken down repeatedly, the 2lb gun was inadequate against infantry or artillery outside of the range of the Vickers 0.303. The Officers did however praise the armour protection they felt the Matilda offered.

With all of the information offered the design of a much improved Matilda was quietly approved. Matilda Mark 11 was chosen as a name to get approval more easily.
A full 3 man turret was specified along with a gun capable of both Anti-tank and High Explosive operations. The 2lb HE shell was inadequate for the purpose and Royal Artillery had been trying to keep the production to themselves. An alternative gun was needed and by a stroke of luck Vickers had both a gun design and a client with many in warehouses. The Gun in question was the QF 3 lb Vickers 47mm L/50 cannon. Nearly 200 had been preserved for future use by the Royal Navy and represented a massive jump on Production.

The General Staff wanted the tank today not tomorrow so off the shelf engines and other components had to be found and used. The second fortuitous decision was the use of a downrated Napier Lion aircraft engine as the powerplant. The intended transmission was the Merrit Brown but it was not ready so the double differential system was used. The exact design was appropriated from the French for unspecified benefits. The problem of speeding production precluded the use of forgings for most of the tank. The simplicity of attaching the Horstman suspension to flat plates decided the suspension as well.

Having reached this point the debate on sloped armour became one of production speed. It was quicker to join two plates to form upper and lower Glacis then to forge the exact shape. With these design decisions the Matilda 11 was born. With a Width of 9 feet 6 inches , a height of 8 feet 2 inches and a length of 20 feet the Matilda 11 was visually much larger then her predecessor. The sloped front hull was 60 mm thick, the side armour was 55mm and so was the back of the hull. The Horstman suspension was exposed and looked rather vulnerable. Turret design was done with input from the Navy and consisted of a vertical plate some 80mm thick with an external 80mm thick mantlet fitted with the high velocity 47 mm. The turret was a fairly ugly affair being a flat sided Hexagon with the remaining 5 plates each being 55mm thick. The commander was to the left with gunner the and the loader was to his right.

The tank was clearly powerful with clean lines and despite the need for extensive welding fairly easy to build. Armour plates arrived in the desired thickness. got cut to shape and attached to the Hull Structure. By mid 1938 the remaining orders for the Matilda 1 had been cancelled and an order for 140 Matilda 11 was placed. With so many components being already available production and integration with the BEF was rapid. In January 1940 the Matilda 11 production had allowed 37 to be delivered to France. All of these had been delivered to 7 RTR and 4 RTR. The combat debut of the Matilda 11 was not glorious it was however a sign of the future. A train carrying four new Matilda 11 along with supplies was caught by a flight of Junkers 87 and in the ensuing bombing the first two Matilda's lost in action died while tied to a railway flatcar.

On the 21 May 1940 the Tank crews of 4RTR and 7RTR began to forge a legend. 45 Matilda 11 and 36 Matilda 1 began to sweep forward and battered into the 5th and 7th panzer divisions. As they advanced the 37mm Anti-Tank guns bounced off their sloped hulls. The 105 mm field howitzers could damage the suspension but not the tank itself. The mobile 88mm Anti-Aircraft guns brought up personally by General Erwin Rommel worked until a series of 47mm HE shells destroyed the battery and ended his career. The day was a complete shock to the British and only an inability to consolidate the ground gained stopped the advance. They had advanced some 16km engaging and destroying all they found. In the shock breakthrough the matilda 11 tanks had lost 2 tanks completely and had suspension damage sufficient to render immobile another 7. In return the 5th and 7th Panzer had fallen back in disarray leaving 73 tanks on the battlefield. The Battle of Arras had stopped the German high command cold. The RAF was mounting air patrols from Calais and a steady supply of men and material was coming in. The Germans seemed content to consolidate the advance and the respite gave the French the reprieve needed to hold firm. A firm defence along the Somme with aggressive attacks by the French in the Calais pocket saw immediate results. The Germans had reached a point of logistical stress at the same time as the Legend of the Matilda was formed. A second Phoney war began as both sides tried to build up sufficient material to go on the offensive.
 
German High Command was suitably chastened by the terrible losses caused by the British invincible tanks. Nothing had stopped them frontally and of the 2 wrecked the British had managed to recover those. The presence of these on the battlefield was a shock and it was not until a week after the attack that the first 2 wrecks had been discovered near the Belgium border. Both tanks had clearly been hit by Stuka's and suffered catastrophic damage. The 47mm was measured but was not in any condition to shoot. The Armour was also measured and the wrecks removed to Kumersdorf testing facility. It would be a month before the full report on the British Matilda 11 was available. It was clear that the current German panzers had no chance against a Matilda. The next problem was the Anti-Tank Guns. The 3.7cm was useless and even from the side had to be under 250m from the Matilda 11. The 5 cm Pak was better but had to use APCR ammunition which used valuable Tungsten . The KwK 38 was useless and Hitler had thrown a huge tantrum on hearing his demand for the KwK 39 had been ignored. Moving up the 7.5cm Pak 40 was marginally effective frontally at 500 m with the APCR ammunition. The 8.8cm anti-aircraft guns could and did knock out Matilda's at 1000m but proved vulnerable to the HE shells fired back. Overall the German General Staff had recommended finishing the French campaign rapidly using airpower and whatever forces they could before the British built enough of these tanks to counterattack.

With the knowledge that the Battle was not over the BEF had been working hard to build up a robust defence in depth focusing hard on artillery concentrations and also evacuating from Calais any troops not able to be used. So the Belgian Army was reduced from 240,000 thousand men in the Calais Pocket to 85,000. Any men without the weapons to fight got sent back to England to reequip and retrain. What the Belgians had not been told was that currently Great Britain was having trouble arming themselves let alone allies. The French sent a purchasing mission to the United States with orders to buy every artillery piece possible and also to purchase as many aircraft as possible. This of course took gold and in Liew of Gold and Silver the decision was made to use artworks as a surety. The immense wealth that was transferred was incredible. The British sent matilda 11 tanks over every week in increasing numbers. By the time the Germans decided to finish the campaign the British had built up a force of 125 Matilda 11 tanks backed by an assortment of Cruiser tanks and light tanks. Crucially the British had reviewed the performance of the tanks used in the battle and apart from the CS Cruisers the Cruisers had failed miserably. The Light tanks had done sterling work as recon vehicles but failed when up against the German Panzers. This made the production of the Matlida 11 literally the only tank to be currently being ordered. The 47mm was light on the HE side so requests for an improved tank gun had been made. In response the 57 mm 6lb gun was test fitted as was a 12 lb 3 inch 20cwt gun. The 3 inch was marginal in the turret however the 57mm 6lb was a straightforward modification. A modified turret to take the 3 inch was placed in development and the 57 mm was slated to be a depot level modification once production caught up with the Anti- Tank demand.
 
This has got to be forcing some butterflies on the other side of the Atlantic...I've been pushing the idea for a while of building the Stuart with a 6 pounder (and slightly larger with a different turret) anyone else here ever read Haunted Tank comics? the later ones modified the tank along the lines I was thinking about...

that being said, equipping it with a 47mm would have been a major improvement...but in this timeline, by 1942 a 47mm equipped Stuart could be as marginal as a 37mm one OTL!!!
 
This has got to be forcing some butterflies on the other side of the Atlantic...I've been pushing the idea for a while of building the Stuart with a 6 pounder (and slightly larger with a different turret) anyone else here ever read Haunted Tank comics? the later ones modified the tank along the lines I was thinking about...

that being said, equipping it with a 47mm would have been a major improvement...but in this timeline, by 1942 a 47mm equipped Stuart could be as marginal as a 37mm one OTL!!!

It might result in the US Army's M3's going into battle with HE shells - OTL they first fought in PH with only AP shells (they 'MacGyvered' up some HE shells later in the battle) and this improved gun and HE capability would be a large improvement verses the Japanese armour.
 
One of the more lesser know facts of the early days of the war, was that France offered cede French possessions in the Caribbean and the Pacific along with a cash payment for airplanes. I do not know if you want to add this to your timeline or not. The use of art work is a nice touch and one that I have not seen before. It show some great thinking out of the box!

" Daladier had already been made aware in 1932 by German rivals to Hitler that Krupp was manufacturing heavy artillery and the Deuxième Bureau had a grasp of the scale of German military preparations but lacked hard intelligence of hostile intentions.[26]

In October 1938, Daladier opened secret talks with the Americans on how to bypass American neutrality laws and allow the French to buy American aircraft to make up for productivity deficiencies in the French aircraft industry.[27] Daladier commented in October 1938, "If I had three or four thousand aircraft, Munich would never have happened," and he was most anxious to buy American war planes as the only way to strengthen the French Air Force.[28] A major problem in the Franco-American talks was how the French were to pay for the American planes, and how to bypass the American neutrality acts.[29] In addition, France had defaulted on its World War I debts in 1932 and so fell foul of the American Johnson Act of 1934, which forbade loans to nations that had defaulted on their World War I debts.[30] In February 1939, the French offered to cede their possessions in the Caribbean and the Pacific together with a lump sum payment of 10 billion francs, in exchange for the unlimited right to buy, on credit, American aircraft.[31]

After tortuous negotiations, an arrangement was worked out in the spring of 1939 to allow the French to place huge orders with the American aircraft industry, but as most of the aircraft ordered had not arrived in France by 1940, the Americans arranged for French orders to be diverted to the British.[32]"
 

Driftless

Donor
One of the more lesser know facts of the early days of the war, was that France offered cede French possessions in the Caribbean and the Pacific along with a cash payment for airplanes.
I hadn't heard this consideration before. Do you have more details on what islands were being talked about? There would be some convoluted historical irony in the US acquiring French Caribbean Islands when the French prefferred to retain those lucrative islands (back then) over French Canada in the late 18th Century.
 
Here is the timeline that this was discussed. One of the participants did list what he felt would be included. The timeline did reference a wiki article and a book article.

 

SwampTiger

Banned
The POD of basing the tank on a welded hull Matilda II is original! I am impressed. I do think the Lion, like the Liberty is nearing its sell by date. Maybe the next tank gets a horizontal Napiers variant on the Jumo 205.
 
I remain unconvinced of the practical effect of 47mm HE. Better than 40mm no doubt, less than 57mm which was itself criticised. 75mm is the general bottom limit for effective HE fire (not that I am volunteering to be at the arrival end of even 40mm) hence the 75mm of the Char B even though it had the 47mm in the turret. One good thing of licencing a foreign design would be to scotch the shoulder elevation/internal mantlet digression.

Where are the welders and welding kit to come from? These were scarce resources for armour plate and employed by the shipyards.

I would shudder at the thought of Napier production engineering making large numbers of hand fitted Lions given their WW2 OTL showing. Not to mention the nightmare of maintenance of a W12 in a tank engine bay. BTW the oft quoted surplus RAF stock at scrap prices were a range of marks and conditions and requiring a full rebuild to a common tank standard for normal aspiration on pool petrol. The USA engine bays allowed access from the rear, even quick change sliding engine mounts to come out rearwards but this depended upon the transmission being a shaft forwards under the turret to a front transmission. A conventional British rear drive engine/transmission unit needs the engine to be lifted out for major work. These days we crane out the whole package but then the engine was disconnected and lifted out separately.

Hence my own preference for a proven basis for a better early war tank in the Valentine with minor tweaks. Casting is too slow and expensive. Welding is too early for the UK with the shipyards soaking up the resources (although heavy industry should have leapt upon welding far earlier and more widely) so riveting is cheap, has a large skill force and is a known method. Even if it is heavier.

Now the GMC 6-71 began use in the USA in 1938. Could one find a way to have Bedford, as a GMC company, parallel build the 6-71 in the UK at the same time thus giving the Valentine it's best engine from the beginning and an 'economical' diesel to boot? We know it works.
 

marathag

Banned
I do think the Lion, like the Liberty is nearing its sell by date
Liberty was past it's prime, one of the last mass produced Vees to use individual cylinders.

Lions were at least had heads cast as a unit and had double overhead cams with the valve springs enclosed
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marathag

Banned
I would shudder at the thought of Napier production engineering making large numbers of hand fitted Lions given their WW2 OTL showing.
Sleeve Valves are much harder than poppet valves, they had that figured out with sodium cooled valves in the '20s for being reliable and fast to build
Sleeve valves, never really got sorted out

way too many moving bits
 
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