Otto Strasser was part of the leftist wing of the Nazi Party, which gave the party its "Socialist" brand that became obsolete after the Night of the Long Knives purged it. Otto was willing to work with Jews, although both Strasser brothers had an anti-semitic bent. This anti-semitism does not derives from a racial views but from an anti-capitalist viewpoint which includes the greedy jew stereotype.
TL: The 4th International : Rosa’s Reich
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Otto Strasser was part of the leftist wing of the Nazi Party, which gave the party its "Socialist" brand that became obsolete after the Night of the Long Knives purged it. Otto was willing to work with Jews, although both Strasser brothers had an anti-semitic bent. This anti-semitism does not derives from a racial views but from an anti-capitalist viewpoint which includes the greedy jew stereotype.
E. Burke
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Honestly, at this point the KPD isn't really a communist party any more. Its more a party of national unity that used to be a communist party.
Guys, bare with it and think for a moment.
The two suspects your most concerned about "Fritz and Strasser" are nominated from the two regions that are currently under siege. These regions are the most likely to appoint such polemic individuals who, as there were in OTL, we're willing to fight vehemently for more nationalist-leaning ideals along side their socialist ideals.
The two suspects your most concerned about "Fritz and Strasser" are nominated from the two regions that are currently under siege. These regions are the most likely to appoint such polemic individuals who, as there were in OTL, we're willing to fight vehemently for more nationalist-leaning ideals along side their socialist ideals.
Give it time
Were still dealing with an extremely fragile time for the KPD.
Concessions have to be made to kept the house of cards from falling at the wrong time.
I disagree with that opinion. Politics are the art of compromise - if the KPD attempted to impose an ideologically purist policy, they would alienate their few allies such as the Catholics (state atheism), the Independent Socialist (the lack of democratic arrangement) and the nationalists (the occupied territories).
Very true.
Plus think what would happen of the KPD took such a purest right after assuming power?
Remember, the civil conflict with the Thule & Kapp wasn't solved by the sword but by the pen.
If suddenly Rosa starts expropriating everything in sight, the system of alliances and goodwill that keeps the KPD in nominal power, would quickly diminish.
E. Burke
Banned
I'm not argueing that, I'm argueing that it is not a communist party by definition. A party is:
An organization that unites and mobilizing everyone willing to fight for a specific political program that has a long term strategy for actualizing that program.
Therefore a communist party is a group that unites everyone willing to fight for a communist program. Right now the KPD is uniting way beyond people who want a communist program. Its not even a party really, its a national unity organization that exists primarily to organize the national political life of German. The Communists within the KPD, as a faction might count as a communist party but the organization as a whole isn't
That is true, by allowing membership to anti-communists like Otto Strasser and Fritz Sauckel, the KPD is no longer a communist party but a generic "big tent" party.
However, if the KPD remains officially the only legal party, it would lead to the rise of caucuses that would, effectively, be political parties in all but name.
RavenMM
Banned
Oh, I know that.
But Strasser is also one of the guys where the left wing/right wing metaphors don't really work. He had socialist ideas, but he was also into the racial war and nationalism.
I get that and I see why they where send. It's still strange
We've already had discussions about Austria, but another state in the region that should get a mention here is Hungary. OTL Hungary had a short-lived "Soviet Republic" for a few months in 1919. Maybe it could've lasted longer ITTL, depending on circumstances both internal and abroad.
Meanwhile in America, many of the socialists who were IOTL targeted for repression/exile in the First Red Scare would likely want to end up in Germany rather than Soviet Russia. Maybe TTL can include writings from people like John Reed, Emma Goldman and other familiar names from Reds!
Meanwhile in America, many of the socialists who were IOTL targeted for repression/exile in the First Red Scare would likely want to end up in Germany rather than Soviet Russia. Maybe TTL can include writings from people like John Reed, Emma Goldman and other familiar names from Reds!
The 1st National Convention 1919 (Part IV)
“The Junkers won’t stand for the loss of Poznan and Silesia to Paderewski!” yelled Otto Strasser within the opening minutes of the first re-draft session.
“Nor will the Germans-in-exile from the Saarland and the Ruhr!” shouted Fritz Sauckel
These and other critical issues were on the minds of delegates as they met inside the KPD party Headquarters in Berlin on November 15th.
Though their primary task was to re-draft Rosa’s original proposal, ultimately each person in attendance had their own special interest in mind.
Quickly interjecting herself before the Strasser or Sauckel continued to derail the committee, Rosa reminded both men that their central task was to form a framework for government, secured by the ideological imperatives of socialism.
“Without that..” she said
“All efforts to secure the future of all German would be doomed.”
With some additional goading from Kurt Eisner and Paul Levi, both men agreed, causing the rest of the member to get started on the re-draft
Fierce discussions and debates occurred over the next week as the newly expanded KPD worked tirelessly on the proposal.
Aurther Crispien, the delegate nominated from central Germany, continually berated the short sightedness of Saukel’s ideas regarding the Ruhr, with Saukel consistently reminding Crispien of his failed membership with the then defunct-SPD party, forcing Paul Levi to ask each of them to temporarily leave the committee room on several occasions.
Ernst Bloch, the elected representative of the active Cologne Pact members repeatedly found himself in verbal sparring matches with Protestant Karl Barth, nominated from the French occupied south-western provinces.
At one point, even Ernst Thalmann, who was nominated from the northern port provinces in the west, got into a physical altercation with otto Strasser related his incessant need to use anti-Semitic epitaphs with discussing issues related to the working class in the east.
However, buttressed by the calm Old-Guard demeanor of Kurt Eisner and his close associate nominated from Bavarian provinces Karl Kautsky, Rosa was able to consistently refocus the men, resulting in a final draft being completed and agreed upon by on November 25th, 1919.
On December 1st, 1919, the 1st National Convention reconvened in the Berlin Reichstag.
Rosa, now with Kurt Eisner, Paul Levi, and the newly admitted KPD members sitting behind her, took to the podium and announced the contents of the re-draft to the entire convention.
With loud applause interrupting her closing statements, Rosa then asked, for a second time, for the all of the provincial delegates in the Reichstag to vote on the re-draft.
Proposal for the Political and Economic Restructuring and Synchronization of the Reich
Vorschlag für die politische, wirtschaftliche und soziale Umstrukturierung und Synchronisation des Deutschen Reiches
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We, the voting members of the 1st National Convention of German Reich, convened November 5th, 1919, agree to all enclosed stipulations of this proposal for the greater good of the German people and the German workers.
The Reich | German Socialist Union
All the territories of the former Imperial Reich shall hence forth be named, recognized and referred to internationally and domestically as the German Socialist Union(Deutsch Sozialistische Union | D.S.U)
D.S.U | Government
To ensure the government of the German Socialist Union shall remain in consistent alignment with the ideals and principles of Democracy, the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) in addition to securing the welfare of the German working class, we the voting members of the 1st National Convention of the German Reich, agree to the following framework for the Executive and Legislative chambers of government.
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Executive Chamber
1) People’s Chancellor(PC): Elected by Weighted National Referendum (Worker Council Leader(2 Votes) | German Citizen(1 Vote))
a. 10 Year Term
b. Commander-and-Chief of People’s Army & Navy
c. Appoints/Dismisses Members of the Executive Council
d. Can VETO legislature
2) Executive Council(EC): 10 Seats appointed by acting (PC)
a. (TBD) Term per acting (PC)
b. Minister of Economics
c. Minister of Worker Councils
d. Minister of War
e. Minister of Agriculture
f. Minister of Foreign Affairs
g. Minister of Domestic Affairs
h. Minister of Trade
i. Minister of Infrastructure
j. Minister of Party Affairs
k. Minister of Comm. International
3) Executive Council Departments(ECD): Each minister leads a respective executive department for their sector.
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Legislative Chamber
1)The Communist Party Congress(CPC): 15(+/-) provincial KPD-member representative elected through referendum by province; one per province.
a. Five Year Terms
b. Can Draft Legislature
c. 2/3 approves legislature drafted from (TPC or TCC) if (PC) VETOs
2)The Council Congress(TCC): 200(+/-) Member Congress elected through referendum by Worker Council and Agricultural Council members; one per council.
a. Five Year Terms
b. Can Draft Legislature
3)The People’s Congress(TPC): (TBD by provincial pop.)(+/-)Member Congress elected through referendum by general citizenry; every German citizen gets 1 vote.
a. 2 Year Terms
b. Can Draft Legislature
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D.S.U | Economic Policy of the 1919 National Convention
To ensure the government of The German Socialist Union shall remain in consistent alignment with the economic ideals and principles of the German working class, we the voting members of the 1st National Convention of the German Reich, agree to the following framework for the economic restructuring of the German Reich.
1)The Worker Council(TWC): 100 of the largest Industrial Ports/Factories/Plants/Foundries/Mines et. al would immediately be nationalized and reorganized into self-run worker councils.
a. Annual intra-council elections for Worker Council Leader
b. 65% of Surplus Raw Materials & Capital shall be requisitioned by the state
c. 35% of Surplus Raw Materials & Capital is owned collectively by (TWC) to be administered for re-investment by elected (WC) leader
d. Foreign Investment is Prohibited
e. If (TWC) is Insolvent for a period of one year, a state board review process will commence by Department of Economics during which a temporary state of central control of may be implemented.
2)The Agricultural Council(TAC): 100 of the largest adjacent arable land plot(sq meters) would immediately be nationalized and reorganized into self-run agricultural councils.
a. Annual intra-council elections for Agricultural Council Leader
b. 75% of Surplus Raw Materials shall be requisitioned by the state
c. 25% of Surplus Raw Materials & Capital is owned collectively by (TAC) to be administered for re-investment by elected (TAC) leader
d. Foreign Investment is Prohibited
e. If (TAC) is Insolvent for a period of one year, a state board review process will commence by Department of Agriculture during which a temporary state of central control of may be implemented.
3)Petite Private Enterprise(PPE): The remaining shops, mills, hamlets and factories would remain self-run and be classified by the state as (PPE)
a. Graduated Scaled Annual Surplus-Income tax based on Net Profits derived from operating the enterprise
b. Rates (TBD) by Acting Minister of Economics
4)The People's Bank(TPB): A Central Bank would be established to manage both the micro and macros financing of all active (TWCs), (TACs), and (PPEs)
a. Structure (TBD) by acting Minister of Economics, Minister of Workers Council, Ministers of Agriculture, and Minister of Infrastructure.
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Sauckel and Strasser in the KPD? I suspect Roland Freisler should be rubbing shoulders with them then.
Interesting political system being drafted. I further suspect that, if enacted, that 10-year limit is going to be freely abused.
Commie Germany needs a better flag, stat.
Interesting political system being drafted. I further suspect that, if enacted, that 10-year limit is going to be freely abused.
Commie Germany needs a better flag, stat.
Sauckel and Strasser in the KPD? I suspect Roland Freisler should be rubbing shoulders with them then.
Commie Germany needs a better flag, stat.
Yep. Otto was nominated by the delegates from the territories effected by the Polish uprisIng. Junkers, anti poles and such.
Fritz from the occupied Saarland and Ruhr.
And your certainly right about the flag
E. Burke
Banned
Thats way to much power to a undemocratic executive, like a ten year term for the person who appoints the ministers is really insane. Rosa Luxemburg was massive critic of bureaucratic rule, this is a super bureaucracy. I would say that the election of ministers should come from the congresses themselves The power to veto laws, especially without the ability of the congresses to override it is crazy. I don't see a commander and chief being realistic either, workers armies should be democratic. I'd say that the army should be run by an elected committee that is 50% civilian elected 25% soldiers Soviet delegates and 25% local militia/Proletarian Hundreds delegates
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