Are we going to see some drawing of Union warships?
Would be cool to see these go up against a Yamato in this timeline.View attachment 505421
USS Montana class Battleship
In the years following the First Great War, the Union had curtailed the construction of Capital Ships. However, with the Pacific War, the Union Naval Armaments Board had made the decision to design a new generation of battleships. Which these ships were to implement not only the improvements made over the years, but also the lessons learned from the Pacific War. The battleships that ended up being designed were to be fast battleships, so that they could accompany the fleet carriers so that could escort them. In 1936, the Navy would award the construct of five of these new battleships to the Fore River, Bethlehem Steel, and New York shipyards to construct these ships. They were named the USS Montana, Massachusetts, Washington, Michigan, and Vermont, with the Montana being launched in 1939 and being commissioned in late 1940. At the time of the start of the 2nd Great War, only the Montana and Washington were completed as the Massachusetts and the rest of the class were being fitted out. The USS Washington would hunt and successfully sink the CSS Jefferson Davis in late 1941 off the coast of New Jersey with the older battleship USS Pennsylvania. The Washington alongside with her sisterships the Massachusetts and the Montana would sink the Confederate Battlecruiser Stuart and British Battleship King George V off the coast of Bermuda in September of 1943. The USS Montana would also sink the Confederate Cruiser CSS Alabama in June of 1942 somewhere miles of the coast of the Union controlled coast. The USS Michigan was damaged by Confederate Navy Frogmen while providing fire support for Union Marines in Haiti in the Autumn of 1943 and spent five months in repairs as a result. In the final months of the war, these battleship would provide gun fire support for Union Marines in operations across the Caribbean. During this time, the USS Washington and her battlefleet would also sink three Confederate destroyers and two frigates while operating in the Straits of Florida on June 1st, 1944, which would prove to be the last naval action of the war. The Washington along with her sisterships, the USS Massachusetts and USS Vermont and a number of smaller Union warships would sail into the anchorage of Tampa Bay to accept the surrender of the remaining Confederate fleet there. In the present day, two of the ships, the USS Washington and USS Massachusetts are both currently preserved as museum ships.
It is possible, depending on if the Empire sees fit to invest in a bigger navy. They might be in a better spot to do so since they still have Britain and France as allies - thus information sharing is still possible. The Soviets were building the Sovetsky Soyuz Class, but were cancelled right when the German's invaded. And the Imperial Russians in our timeline were also in the process of building their own battlecruisers, with a new class of battleship planned out, but never built.This may or may not be relevant to this thread, but I can imagine Imperial Russia having these or at least try to build in them in TL-191
I like these alot. If its possible, I'd love to see pictures for the light carriers and escort carriers of the USN.Some Fleet Aircraft Carriers for the Union Navy
As for the story of the ship, I will not bother writing it out as it was already explained.
USS Sandwich Islands class
In the early 1930s prior to the Pacific War, the Union Navy was permitted by treaty to construct 4 new aircraft carriers. Two of the ships were ordered to be built at around 17,000 displacement and were laid down in 1931 at Bethlehem Shipyards and were named the USS Sandwich Islands and USS Ranger respectively, both ships would both be completed and commissioned in late 1934. During the 2nd Great War, both ships would be used to engage the navies of Britain, the Confederacy, and France, with the Sandwich Islands being notably drawn away from Bermuda when the joint Anglo-Confederate forces invaded it. Following which, the USS Sandwich Islands would be deployed The Ranger would be used to ferry aircraft in support of operations against the Confederacy in the Caribbean. After war's end, both ships would be decommissioned and would be scrapped in Delaware in the late 1940s.
USS Bonhomme Richard class = OTL Yorktown Class
As the Sandwich Islands class carriers were being constructed in 1933, proposals for a follow on class were being thrown around, with the intentions of implementing the lessons learned from the Pacific War. The final design that was selected was to weigh in at around 25,000 tons fully loaded. The first two ships, USS Bonhomme Richard and USS Enterprise would both ordered in 1934 at the New York Naval Yard and the first ship, the Bonhomme Richard would be commissioned in 1937, and the Enterprise, in 1938. In addition, another ship, the USS Hornet, would be laid down in 1939 as it was seen that war was on the horizon, and would be commissioned in September of 1941. When war broke out in 1941, both ships would be at port in Boston, Massachusetts, and would be deployed to counter any threat to Central Power shipping in the Atlantic. The USS Bonhomme Richard would be notable as her torpedo bombers would damage the Confederate Battleship CSS Jefferson Davis in a way which severely reduced her speed, which would ultimately doom the Davis. Following the loss of the USS Remembrance, both the Bonhomme Richard and the Hornet would be redeployed to the Pacific to deal with the Japanese in early 1942, there, they would engage the Japanese until 1943 when Japan switched sides (though the Bonhomme Richard would be lost to the Japanese Navy in late 1942.) The Enterprise in September of 1943 would use her aircraft to engage enemy warships in the area of Bermuda, they would destroy the cruisers HMS Surrey and CSS Jacksonville, 3 Confederate and 1 British destroyers, and a Confederate fleet refueling ship named the CSS Taino. Following the Bermuda campaign, both the Hornet and Enterprise would provide air support for Union operations in the Caribbean region and the Atlantic coastal regions of the Confederacy. Following war's end, both ships would be used as training vessels until 1952 when they were decommissioned, with the Enterprise being preserved as a museum ship in Plymouth Massachusetts while the Hornet was sold for scrap in 1958.
USS Oriskany class = Similar to the USS Wasp of OTL with a shortened funnel
In 1937, the United States Navy foresaw that another war was on it's way, in part, the Navy would draw up specifications for a new class of aircraft carriers. The planned displacement was to be between 18,000 to 20,000 tons fully loaded and two ships, the USS Oriskany and USS Wasp would be ordered and laid down in December of 1937 at the newly expanded shipyards of Halifax and at the New York Naval Shipyard. The Oriskany would be the completed in February of 1941 which was followed by the Wasp in June of the same year. With the outbreak of hostilities, the Oriskany would be deployed on anti-submarine operations off the coast of Long Island while the Wasp was made the flagship of the Union 9th Fleet, which took part in Operations in the North Atlantic to counter potential British supply runs to Canadian insurgents. In this role, the Wasp would prove to be successful, sinking two British blockade runners and capturing another, and would play a role in the hunt for the Confederate raider CSS Texas. In early December, the Oriskany was preparing to set sail for the Pacific when it was mined by Confederate Navy Frogmen, which caused damage to her hull which resulted in her being out of action for 6 months. Instead, the USS Wasp would be sent to the Pacific along with the Bonhomme Richard and Hornet. The Wasp would remain in the Pacific until late 1943 when she was ordered back into the Atlantic to assist with the Union Navy. Meanwhile, following her repairs, the USS Oriskany would take part in operations against the Entente Naval Forces, in which her air units would sink the French Battleship Normandie, the cruisers HMS Leander, Argonaut, and Tourville, and 2 Confederate, 1 French, and 2 British destroyers. However on February 18th, 1944, the submarine HMS Trident would torpedo the USS Oriskany and cause significant damage to the ship, as a result, the Oriskany would be scuttled in the Northern Atlantic. After returning to the Atlantic, the USS Wasp would see action against the Argentine Navy, in which her aircraft would destroy a Argentine destroyer and bombard Argentine installations. Her air complement would also attack British forces in Africa as part of assistance to the German forces there. After war's end, the USS Wasp would be put into reserve at Puget Sound in Washington in late 1944, to which she would remain there until she was struck in 1953. The former Wasp would eventually be sold for breaking in 1956.
USS Benjamin Franklin class = OTL Essex class
In 1939, the US Navy would begin plans for a follow-on design for the Benhomme Richard class, the new design would also incorporate design elements from the Oriskany class, the total planned weight was to be 34,000 tons fully loaded. The first two ships of the class, USS Benjamin Franklin and USS Yorktown would both be laid down in March of 1940 in Halifax and would be launched in the summer of 1941 and commissioned in January of 1942. The USS Benjamin Franklin would be deployed to the Pacific to deal with the Japanese while the Yorktown would be deployed in the Atlantic. During the war five more ships of the class, the USS Remembrance, Ticonderoga, Valley Forge, Lubbock, and Princeton would be commissioned between 1942-1944, with four more being completed after war's end, the USS Intrepid, Saratoga, Randolph, and Mitchell. For several decades following the end of the 2nd Great War, the Benjamin Franklin class would serve as the backbone of the US Navy Aircraft Carrier force. In the present day, two of the ships, USS Remembrance and USS Yorktown are both currently preserved a museum ships. The notable actions of the class included the USS Yorktown and USS Ticonderoga both taking part in the retaking of Bermuda and playing a role in the destruction of the CSS Stuart, HMS King George V, and their battlegroup. The USS Remembrance would also have a big role in the war as she provided Naval Air Support for the landings in Haiti and in Cuba and would also be one of the Union Navy ships to sail into Tampa Bay at War's End.
Crossposting this from Filling the Gaps, which is my headcanon's size of the CS Navy on the outbreak of war.Confederate States Navy Order of Battle 1941:
Main Headquarters - Richmond, Virginia
Commander in Chief - Admiral Chester Nimitz
Headquarters of the Atlantic Fleet: Charleston
Naval Bases: Norfolk, Charleston, Georgetown, Savannah.
Reserve and Training Bases: St. Augustine, Brunswick.
Commander of Atlantic Naval Operations: Admiral Husband E. Kimmel
Flagship: CSS Jefferson Davis
Independent Naval Forces*:
Battlecruisers: CSS Jefferson Davis, CSS Robert E. Lee and CSS Camp Hill
Heavy Cruisers: CSS Alabama, CSS Tennessee, CSS Texas
Supporting Vessels: 4 Fleet Oil Tankers, 5 Destroyer Tenders, 6 Armed Trawlers, 3 Seaplane Tenders, 2 Repair Ships, 2 Hospital Ships, 3 Storeships, 5 Accommodation Hulks
Naval Squadrons and Flotillas:
1st Cruiser Squadron: CSS Virginia, CSS Richmond.
2nd Cruiser Squadron: CSS Fort Sumter, CSS Havana,
5th Cruiser Squadron: CSS Savannah, CSS Houston.
1st Destroyer Flotilla: CSS George E. Pickett, CSS Judah P. Benjamin, CSS John Y. Beall, CSS William H. Parker, CSS William W.J. Kelly.
2nd Destroyer Flotilla: CSS Raphael Semmes, CSS Anderson, CSS Tucker, CSS William T. Gassell, CSS Thomas E. Hogg.
4th Destroyer Flotilla: CSS Thomas D. Gordon, CSS John P. Edgar, CSS Marcus Slater, CSS Edward G. Burton, CSS Clark.
1st Submarine Flotilla: 7 Submarines, submarine tender CSS Pamlico Sound
2nd Submarine Flotilla: 8 Submarines, submarine Tender CSS Bogue Sound
4th Submarine Flotilla: 8 Submarines, submarine Tender CSS Vermillion Bay
1st Coastal Flotilla: 5 Gunboats, 4 Submarine Chasers, 2 Netlayers, 4 Minelayers, 5 Minesweepers
2nd Coastal Flotilla: 4 Gunboats, 6 Submarine Chasers, 3 Minelayers, 5 Minesweepers
3rd Coastal Flotilla: 4 Gunboats, 4 Submarine Chasers, 1 Netlayer, 2 Minelayers, 4 Minesweepers
4th Coastal Flotilla: 2 Gunboats, 5 Submarine Chasers, 2 Minelayers, 6 Minesweepers
6th Coastal Assault Flotilla: 10 MTB Boats
7th Coastal Assault Flotilla: 10 MTB Boats
12th Special Assault Flotilla: CSS Port of Spain, CSS Ares, 6 modified Submarines, submarine tender CSS Bulls Bay.
Headquarters of the Caribbean Fleet: Tampa Bay
Naval Bases: Guantanamo Bay, Tampa Bay, Ft. Lauderdale, later Port-au-Prince, Santo Domingo, and Puerto Plata.
Reserve and Training Bases: New Orleans, Miami, Houston, Corpus Christi, Havana, Gulfport
Commander of the Caribbean Fleet: Admiral Robert H. English
Flagship: CSS North Carolina
Supporting Vessels: 4 Submarine Tenders, 3 Fleet Oil Tender, 3 Destroyer Tender, 12 Armed Trawlers, 4 Seaplane Tenders, 3 Repair Ships, 3 Hospital Ships, 2 Storeships, 4 Accommodation Hulks.
Naval Squadrons and Flotillas:
4th Cruiser Squadron: CSS North Carolina, CSS Manassas
6th Cruiser Squadron: CSS Georgia, CSS Little Rock
3rd Destroyer Flotilla: CSS R. L. Walker, CSS Ripley, CSS Franklin Buchanan, CSS McCoy
5th Destroyer Flotilla: CSS Wilson G. Richardson, CSS Horace L. Hunley, CSS Johnson, CSS Bader
6th Destroyer Flotilla: CSS Calhoun Ruggles, CSS Irvine Bulloch, CSS Roper
7th Destroyer Flotilla: CSS Dawson, CSS Clifton R. Beckinridge CSS James R. Randall
3rd Submarine Flotilla: 6 Submarines
5th Submarine Flotilla: 5 Submarines
6th Submarine Flotilla: 5 Submarines
7th Submarine Flotilla: 7 Submarines
1st Training Flotilla: CSS Confederacy, CSS Stonewall Jackson, CSS Memphis
2nd Training Flotilla: 2 Gunboats, 4 Sailing Ships, 2 Trawlers
3rd Training Flotilla: 5 Submarines
1st Transportation Flotilla: 6 Amphibious Assault Ships, 2 Barrel Landing Ships, 2 Landing Craft Tenders
2nd Transportation Flotilla: 7 Amphibious Assault Ships, 3 Barrel Landing Ships, 3 Landing Craft Tenders
5th Coastal Flotilla: 3 Gunboats, 4 Submarine Chasers, 2 Netlayers, 3 Minelayers, 3 Minesweepers
6th Coastal Flotilla: 3 Gunboats, 2 Submarine Chasers, 2 Minelayers, 4 Minesweepers
7th Coastal Flotilla: 6 Gunboats, 4 Submarine Chasers, 1 Netlayer, 2 Minelayer, 5 Minesweepers
9th Coastal Flotilla: 3 Gunboats, 4 Submarine Chasers, 1 Netlayer, 1 Minelayer, 6 Minesweepers
Headquarters of the Inland Fleet: New Orleans
Naval Bases: Baton Rouge, Vicksburg, Memphis
Training Base: New Orleans
Commander of the Inland Fleet: Admiral Charles M. Cooke
Supporting Vessels: 5 Gunboat Tenders, 2 Repair Ships, 4 Hospital Ships, 1 Storeship
Naval Squadrons and Flotillas:
1st Inland Flotilla: 2 River Monitors, 4 Gunboats, 1 River Minelayer, 2 River Minesweepers
2nd Inland Flotilla: 3 River Monitors, 3 Gunboats, 2 River Minesweepers
3rd Inland Flotilla: 2 River Monitors, 3 Gunboats, 1 River Minesweeper
1st River Transportation Flotilla: 2 Ferries, 3 Barges, 1 Gunboat
2nd River Transportation Flotilla: 3 Ferries, 3 Barges
10th Submarine Flotilla: 4 Riverine Submarines
Headquarters of the Pacific Fleet: Guaymas
Naval Base: Guaymas
Commander of the Pacific Fleet: Middleton S. Elliot
Supporting Vessels, 1 Submarine Tender, 2 Armed Trawlers, 2 Storeships
Naval Squadrons and Flotillas:
8th Coastal Flotilla: 2 Gunboats, 2 Avisos, 3 Submarine Chasers, 1 Minelayer, 3 Minesweepers
10th Coastal Flotilla: 2 Avisos, 2 Submarine Chasers, 4 Minesweepers
11th Coastal Flotilla: 4 MTBs, 1 Gunboat, 1 Aviso, 2 Minelayers, 2 Minesweepers
9th Submarine Flotilla: 3 Submarines
* - The Independent Naval Forces are the units that are earmarked for operations with or independent of the Squadrons and Flotillas of the Fleet
Red = Flotilla Leaders
Blue = Squadron and Fleet Flagships
Pretty good job (it's about the reasonable maximum that the CSA can put out, and even then, they might need to import British or French parts for the capital ships).Crossposting this from Filling the Gaps, which is my headcanon's size of the CS Navy on the outbreak of war.
I am working on some US Navy Carrier Aircraft right nowCurrent Project WIP, an Order of Battle for the carrier fight mentioned in "Drive to the East", as well as the action events of the battle itself. Here's bits of the work so far.
USN Order of Battle:
IJN Order of Battle:
- CVE – USS Trenton, USS Chapultepec
- CL – USS Harrisburg
- DD – USS Townsend, USS Slater, USS Kane, USS Pyne
- ~60x aircraft (~30 per carrier)
- CVL – IJN Kuroyo, IJN Hakuyo
- CA – IJN Isikari
- CL – IJN Arakawa
- DD – IJN Murakaze, IJN Yaegumo, IJN Harushio, IJN Okitsukaze, IJN Urazuki
- ~60x aircraft (~30 per carrier)