TL-191 Map Thread Redux

I borrowed @S. Marlowski 's map and used it to depict the location of Confederate industrial and mineral centers.

Some of these are a combination of ITTL depictions (Atlanta, Birmingham, and Richmond are described as important industrial centers), OTL trends (Britsol, Big Lick/Roanoke, Knoxville and others did have nascent iron/steel industries, and Columbus/Phenix City and Selma were regionally important industrial centers during the OTL Civil War), and my own extrapolation given that the CSA managed to fight an industrial-scale war with the US for 4 years.

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I borrowed @S. Marlowski 's map and used it to depict the location of Confederate industrial and mineral centers.

Some of these are a combination of ITTL depictions (Atlanta, Birmingham, and Richmond are described as important industrial centers), OTL trends (Britsol, Big Lick/Roanoke, Knoxville and others did have nascent iron/steel industries, and Columbus/Phenix City and Selma were regionally important industrial centers during the OTL Civil War), and my own extrapolation given that the CSA managed to fight an industrial-scale war with the US for 4 years.

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Well done with that map, though you could've also added Oil Refineries, which we all know oil and coal are the lifeblood for an industrialized society.
 
In a way this plan is more realistic than what was done. I have always thought that reabsorbing the CSA into the USA after 80 years of separation was too easy and simplistic. Its not like post Civil War OTL where the split was just for 4 years and was easily surmounted. You have two generations of people maybe three who have come to view the two countries as implacable enemies on top of in fact being two different countries so realistically that would take at least two generations to get over successfully if ever. Also when you consider what the Confederates did in the Destruction you would have millions of Americans who would not want to accept them as Americans then or ever....
I always found it so strange how people on this site had a predilection towards having the US give Canada back its independence while absorbing all of the former CSA. It never made any sense to me that the US would be able to eat a country with nearly 40 million people but not a country of 7 million that it had already controlled for 2 decades. I can see a lot of ethnic cleansing in the border states and maybe Louisiana so that the US controls the mouth of the Mississippi River, but absorbing all of the CSA (except Texas) just seems like too large of a task for the USA.
 
I always found it so strange how people on this site had a predilection towards having the US give Canada back its independence while absorbing all of the former CSA. It never made any sense to me that the US would be able to eat a country with nearly 40 million people but not a country of 7 million that it had already controlled for 2 decades. I can see a lot of ethnic cleansing in the border states and maybe Louisiana so that the US controls the mouth of the Mississippi River, but absorbing all of the CSA (except Texas) just seems like too large of a task for the USA.
Agreed taking Canada whole except for Quebec makes much more sense on just about every level rather than the CSA.
 
I always found it so strange how people on this site had a predilection towards having the US give Canada back its independence while absorbing all of the former CSA. It never made any sense to me that the US would be able to eat a country with nearly 40 million people but not a country of 7 million that it had already controlled for 2 decades. I can see a lot of ethnic cleansing in the border states and maybe Louisiana so that the US controls the mouth of the Mississippi River, but absorbing all of the CSA (except Texas) just seems like too large of a task for the USA.
I think the US will inevitably ethnicly cleanse the border states both to provide security (Even if a new Confederate state forms any new hypothetical attack North now starts a couple hundred more miles south. That and dealing with a Confederate insurgency in say five or six states is going to be easier then trying to fight an insurgency in like what 16 states?

I agree reabsorbing the former Confederate states as actual US States is going to be more or less impossible (At least while keeping the white former Confederate population in place and being able to vote). But the former CSA isn't going to be independent again any time soon. I think the US will heavily ethnically cleanse the border States (Tennessee, Virginia perhaps North Carolina, Oklahoma, maybe Kentucky, Arkansas, maybe one or two of the OTL Mexican Confederate states, and maybe parts of Louisiana). Baja California also probably get's seized from Mexico (That way the US doesn't have to worry about defending South California). Confederate Cuba might get independence/become a protectorate of the US with the US retaining basing rights.

Most of the rest of the former CSA will become something like a cross between Morgenthau plan Germany, the OTL Palestinian territories, and Indian reservations. Horrible horrible places to live for the White Confederate populace. Pretty much all of the CSA's former heavy (and most of it's non agricultural light industry) will be destroyed or dismantled and sent to the US with existing heavy industry in the ethnically cleansed states being immediately repurposed. Bans will be put in place on building any new heavy industry in the former Confederate Occupied Territories. The ports in the former Confederate occupied territories will be administered by the US. Their would be a heavy US military presence throughout the Occupied territories. There would be a ban on any sort of Confederate military and limitations on things like Police armament and numbers. I imagine just like OTL with former German and Japanese soldiers the former Confederate POWs will be held for at least a couple of years both for free labor as reparations and to limit the inevitable insurgency. Perhaps former CSA soldiers end up providing at least part of the labor for building a Panama/Nicaragua canal. Also of course heavy reparations on the Confederate Occupied Territories.

All in all a lot of war crimes/ crimes against humanities and the non ethnically cleansed CSA states will be incredibly terrible places to live and their will be massive suffering.

The ethnicly cleansed states get something along the lines of a "Homestead Act" with allotments of land given to US military veterans, surviving CSA blacks, immigrants from nations considered friendly, and other Americans. Eventually they'll be readmitted into the Union at some point.
 
I think the US will inevitably ethnicly cleanse the border states both to provide security (Even if a new Confederate state forms any new hypothetical attack North now starts a couple hundred more miles south. That and dealing with a Confederate insurgency in say five or six states is going to be easier then trying to fight an insurgency in like what 16 states?

I agree reabsorbing the former Confederate states as actual US States is going to be more or less impossible (At least while keeping the white former Confederate population in place and being able to vote). But the former CSA isn't going to be independent again any time soon. I think the US will heavily ethnically cleanse the border States (Tennessee, Virginia perhaps North Carolina, Oklahoma, maybe Kentucky, Arkansas, maybe one or two of the OTL Mexican Confederate states, and maybe parts of Louisiana). Baja California also probably get's seized from Mexico (That way the US doesn't have to worry about defending South California). Confederate Cuba might get independence/become a protectorate of the US with the US retaining basing rights.

Most of the rest of the former CSA will become something like a cross between Morgenthau plan Germany, the OTL Palestinian territories, and Indian reservations. Horrible horrible places to live for the White Confederate populace. Pretty much all of the CSA's former heavy (and most of it's non agricultural light industry) will be destroyed or dismantled and sent to the US with existing heavy industry in the ethnically cleansed states being immediately repurposed. Bans will be put in place on building any new heavy industry in the former Confederate Occupied Territories. The ports in the former Confederate occupied territories will be administered by the US. Their would be a heavy US military presence throughout the Occupied territories. There would be a ban on any sort of Confederate military and limitations on things like Police armament and numbers. I imagine just like OTL with former German and Japanese soldiers the former Confederate POWs will be held for at least a couple of years both for free labor as reparations and to limit the inevitable insurgency. Perhaps former CSA soldiers end up providing at least part of the labor for building a Panama/Nicaragua canal. Also of course heavy reparations on the Confederate Occupied Territories.

All in all a lot of war crimes/ crimes against humanities and the non ethnically cleansed CSA states will be incredibly terrible places to live and their will be massive suffering.

The ethnicly cleansed states get something along the lines of a "Homestead Act" with allotments of land given to US military veterans, surviving CSA blacks, immigrants from nations considered friendly, and other Americans. Eventually they'll be readmitted into the Union at some point.
This.
Exactly this.
 
Anyone else feel like the US would have annexed Baja California from Mexico after the FGW? Doing so doesn't necessarily add much in the way of resources for the US (though it does make a theoretical blockade or raiding off the Pacific coast of Mexico easier) but does eliminate the need to potentially defend Southern California (and especially the USN's main base on the Pacific Coast in San Diego which is only a handful of miles from the Mexican border) and free up US ground forces for elsewhere. There was a pretty small Mexican population of Baja at the time so it doesn't add too many hostile locals and secures the USN's largest Pacific base.

For the defeated Mexicans it's not really that important in an economic or industrial way so it's an easy give away at the Peace Table.

And after annexing it would the US keep calling it "Baja California" or rename it after some famous US figure or something.
 
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