As similarly discussed before, even with a mainstream left-wing party in power and the U.S. adopting a more relaxed immigration policy post-war in the face of hardship, fellow militants on the political left and other political refugees, and immigrants form the U.K. overall are scant in choosing to come to the U.S. still as a result of historical animosity.
TL-191: After the End
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Oh........How long has this TL been running?
Can we kinda make up our own ideas then?
Cool!
You mean by 2023?
Also, great, because this streaming stuff's been a disaster!
I feel like you're missing the point here. TL-191 refers to a series of books by author Harry Turtledove which diverges from IOTL during the Civil War. This thread is building off those books, which have been published over the course of the last few decades.
To expect the precise same kids cartoons and channels to air is fallacious. ITTL history has been radically different for 150+ years. It'd be like going to Beijing and asking why no one is speaking English.
By 2023, the reigning monarch of the United Kingdom is Queen Anne II.
By the 2160s and the 2250s, the War of Secession, the Second Mexican War, the First Great War, and the Second Great War are grouped together in the United States by historians and the general public as the North American Wars.
By the 2160s and the 2250s, most people in the Midsouth view themselves as Americans. However, this remains an identity shaped by a strong regional shame and guilt, because of the Destruction and the other crimes of the Featherston regime.
By the 2250s, most people in the United States view the CSA in highly negative terms. The Destruction, and the existential war for survival against the Featherston regime in the Second Great War, has not been forgotten or forgiven by the US public by the 23rd Century.
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New Liberty is admitted into the Union as a state in 2300. The state consists of all US territories on the Moon, and is the first of what come to be known as the Offworld States.
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By the 2250s, no US states have been lost because of rising sea levels, although many coastal cities are now protected by sea walls
Underwater cities are technically feasible by the 2250s. However, popular and government interest in the United States remains centered on space exploration and colonization.
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By the 2250s, there is a fourth political party in the United States, although it has yet to win a national election. The three older parties still exist, although the Socialist Party has faded somewhat as a national political party.
The Frontier Party emerged in the late 22nd Century, following the First Interstellar War. It was founded by veterans of that conflict from the United States Space Force, to advocate for the interests of US citizens who lived off world, wether they lived in the big settlements on the Moon and Mars, in space stations or more remote outposts in the Solar System, or were stationed on extra-solar worlds. The Frontier Party also advocated for statehood for the US Lunar and Martian territories, as well as for expanding U.S. military power in Outer Space.
The Frontier Party did not win its first national election, and the White House, until 2336, following beginning of the Third Interstellar War.
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By the 2250s, gasoline powered vehicles have been replaced around the world with electric or hydrogen powered craft. Supersonic aircraft dominated and civilian and commercial air routes. Most regions of the world are connected by high speed civilian railway lines.
There are new land transportation routes by the 2250s, including the Gateway Bridge across the Bab al-Mandab Strait, and the Gibraltar Bridge across the Strait of Gibraltar.
Military equipment has continued to advance, especially in all of the great powers. Some aspects of the military technology of the 2250s would not look out of place in the novel Starship Troopers or CoDominium series from our world.
By the 2250s, one of the primary drivers of the development of military technology among the different nations and alliance blocs on Earth is paranoia of a possible alien invasion and the ambition to acquire and defend territory off world. All nations and alliance blocs on Earth are now members of the Interstellar Alliance, which is descended from the old International Security Council.
Another factor driving investment in new military technology by the 2250s is the need to defend against the alien civilization that the nations of Earth fought against in the First Interstellar War, as well as to prepare for possible conflicts with the two new alien civilizations that were discovered in different star systems during that conflict in the late 22nd Century.
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How many alien races are trying to conquer Earth out there?
Also let's say there's an alien planet out there with a pre-industrial society but has a ton of untapped natural resources. Would the Interstellar Alliance be down to reinact a Scramble for Africa but in space or actually co-exist with the natives? Human society ITTL seems more imperialistic and if everything out in space really is out for humanity's blood (or just seem like it), then I could see a nasty human supremacist movement sprout up sooner or later.
What caused the Socialists to fade from national politics? I thought they recovered after the Beckford administration. Also is there an Ecological Party that rises in the US following the disasters resulting from climate change?
It's partially a result of the world industrializing much earlier, including China and the Indian subcontinent, as well as Africa.
That's what I've been trying to tell him. I even tried to send him a PDF of the books.
How can you expect something like OTL's entertainment when it appears that the whole world is in a sort of psuedo-1920s/1930s culture and aesthetic with 1990s social mores.
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The earthquakes of February 2023 made already terrible conditions in the region even worse.
The European Community, with support from the United States and the CDS, led relief efforts in the region following the earthquakes.
Speaking of current disasters, are fires also occurring in former Canada?
By the 2250s, the Interstellar Alliance is aware of three alien civilizations. These different alien civilizations are centered on three different worlds in three different solar systems: the second planet of the Epsilon Eridani system, the first planet of the Ipsilon Indi system, and the second planet of the Tau Ceti system.
The first two Interstellar Wars were fought with one of these alien civilizations, following the disastrous outcome of the First Interstellar Expedition. The Third Interstellar War was fought between the Insterstellar Alliance and one of the other alien civilizations over a newly discovered extrasolar planet thought to be rich in mineral wealth.
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The official operating procedure of the Interstellar Alliance by the 2330s in the event of discovering a pre-industrial alien civilization is to bring this civilization under the rule of Earth, while ensuring that any valuable resources are also directed toward Earth.
Given the distances from Earth in such a scenario, there is a wide degree of latitude given to military and civilian administrators dispatched from the different human powers to secure territory and resources for their different nations. Unfortunately this is a system that is far from immune from hypothetical political repression and economic corruption.
What minerals in particular are they after? Can't be something commonly found in space, since humans probably would have mastered asteroid mining by the 2330s.