Timeline-191: Changes?

[Gaius Julius Magnus]

So from all the threads and posts I've read it appears theres a lot of things people on this site would change when given the chance to write it. So thats what I'm asking if you had the chance to make changes to the whole of the Southern Victory Series how would you have done it. The only rule is that you have to follow the general outline of the series.
War of Succession(CS Victory) - Second Mexican War(CS Victory) - WW1(US Victory - WW2(US Victory).

 

[d32123]

-Less parallelism, more butterflies. There are far too many OTL characters in TL-191 that were born after the PoD and a lot of the parallelism seemed really forced. He probably knew this too but was just trying to sell books.

-No megawanked CSA. The CSA would never have become as powerful as it did in TL-191. There should have been more feel that the state was about to rip apart at the seams.

-No manumition of the slaves (or at least not so early). The CSA just fought a huge war to keep their slaves and having them abolish it so early is ASB.

-A bigger, more successful black rebellion. The rebellions were crushed far too easily for it to be realistic plus I like the idea of a patchwork of socialist republics in the Cotton Belt.

-No megawank Japan. They got away with far too much crap in TL-191.

 

[MarshalBraginsky]

No Russia screw for one thing, but no wanks either. Also, if the Hispano-Japanese War broke out in TL-191, wouldn't that butterfly Japan's desire to annex Korea and Manchuria?

 

[Trotsky]

No changes to the overall arch of the story itself - parallelism to an extent doesn't bother me at all, it's how the author connects his version of history to that of the general public's after all. But there were a few details in the story itself I'd change - probably more detail about Featherston's rule of the C.S.A., for instance; some parts of GW2, too.

 

[jpj1421]

Communist/Socialist CSA maybe. That seems a bit more likely given the class structure there.

 

[CT23]

The US should have took more in WW1 from the CSA: Tennessee and Sonora and Baja in addition to what they took.


I felt it was relatively unbelievable that the CSA got the bomb before the US did, especially since the US and Germany were working together.

 

[Abhakhazia]

The US should have took more in WW1 from the CSA: Tennessee and Sonora and Baja in addition to what they took.


I felt it was relatively unbelievable that the CSA got the bomb before the US did, especially since the US and Germany were working together.

No, the US had it first, but the CS used it first.

 

[Trotsky]

The US should have took more in WW1 from the CSA: Tennessee and Sonora and Baja in addition to what they took.

The USA used what parts of Tennessee they occupied to get the remainder of Kentucky that was still in Confederate hands. They weren't going to get all of Tennessee in the armistice, not unless the war went on for another few years. Ditto with Sonora. And Baja California was Mexican, not Confederate, and the USA failed to take it and therefore had no valid claim to it.

I felt it was relatively unbelievable that the CSA got the bomb before the US did, especially since the US and Germany were working together.

As the other poster said, the USA had the bomb first, but the CSA used it first. As a few characters pointed out, the fall of the Confederacy had been a matter of months and the U.S. officials didn't think using their bomb was necessary until after Featherston used his first and made them realize the CSA was going to need some very brutal hints that it was time to surrender.

 

[Faeelin]

No Confederate bomb.

The Great War series the CSA collapse amidst race revolution and Union armies pouring south.

The rest of the books are about the effort to rebuild America, define what it means to be American, and show that they are a people founded on the notion that all men are created equal, and endowed with certain inalienable rights.

Take a bit of modern day Iraq, the Marshall Plan, and American history.

Oh, and the next series is about a struggle with the fascist Kaiser.

 

[Faeelin]

The USA used what parts of Tennessee they occupied to get the remainder of Kentucky that was still in Confederate hands. They weren't going to get all of Tennessee in the armistice, not unless the war went on for another few years. Ditto with Sonora. And Baja California was Mexican, not Confederate, and the USA failed to take it and therefore had no valid claim to it.

The entire Great Series is stupid and shows the author just filed off battles from OTL and placed them in North America.

Why is the more industrialized, more militarized north not crushing its neighbors like Germany did Russia?

 

[Trotsky]

The entire Great Series is stupid and shows the author just filed off battles from OTL and placed them in North America.

Why is the more industrialized, more militarized north not crushing its neighbors like Germany did Russia?

TL-191's parallelism in general really did not bother me. Some of the particular details did, but I think the Great War was the best-written section of the series.

 

[Faeelin]

TL-191's parallelism in general really did not bother me. Some of the particular details did, but I think the Great War was the best-written section of the series.

If you want parallelism, have the Yankees become fascist, and the CSA ends up as a darker version of France, with class (and racial!) conflict, fighting against the yanks.

 

[Esopo]

I like the parallelism, and the nazi csa are the best thing of the serie, imho.
i would just make harry talk more about europe... and learn how to write, also.

 

[d32123]

I like the parallelism, and the nazi csa are the best thing of the serie, imho.
i would just make harry talk more about europe... and learn how to write, also.

I think that people exaggerate his lack of writing skills. Had he posted TL-191 on here under an anonymous account before publishing it, people would be singing his praises.

 

[Esopo]

I think that people exaggerate his lack of writing skills. Had he posted TL-191 on here under an anonymous account before publishing it, people would be singing his praises.

True. Also he used to write far better in the 80's. If you compare homeward bound with the time of troubles it seems almost another writer.

 

[d32123]

True. Also he used to write far better in the 80's. If you compare homeward bound with the time of troubles it seems almost another writer.

I think the problem is he's gotten too prolific and famous and probably doesn't have the time to produce quality works anymore.

 

[Trotsky]

True. Also he used to write far better in the 80's. If you compare homeward bound with the time of troubles it seems almost another writer.

I believe if he started writing TL-191 even five years earlier than he did, we would've gotten a better-written, more rounded out series.

 

[CT23]

"Something" should have been done with Canada. The US seemed like it didn't know what to do with it.


And concerning an earlier point, I think the US should have taken a little more in GW1, from where I'm not exactly sure though.

 

[Trotsky]

"Something" should have been done with Canada. The US seemed like it didn't know what to do with it.


And concerning an earlier point, I think the US should have taken a little more in GW1, from where I'm not exactly sure though.

It took more from the CSA than any one country took from the German Reich in OTL, let alone the whole northern third of North America and several island groups to either flank. I'm not sure why you'd want more if not even you are sure where it would come from.

 

[CurlyGangster]

It took more from the CSA than any one country took from the German Reich in OTL, let alone the whole northern third of North America and several island groups to either flank. I'm not sure why you'd want more if not even you are sure where it would come from.

You could make the case that since North America is so culturally and linguistically similar (along with being so dang big), that it is easier to annex and integrate large regions of North America, than it is in Europe. Still, the Allies did chop off large portions of Germany in both World Wars (the second more so than the first), and Imperial Germany took a hefty share of Russia in Brest-Litovsk.