Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by Nazi Space Spy, May 12, 2018.
I'll make a mockup map when I'm at my computer
Once Again, another TEXT WARNING. Here is the rough Skeleton timeline until 1843, the year of revolutions and when the divergence really gets going in the old world. I tend to have a better idea of politics in The Middle East/North Africa and Europe over India/China/Japan in this era so I might be missing some stuff. Next post will be 1843 - Great War era. I also ignore the New world because that is currently being discussed, and will develop with the Dominion. This is also under the assumption that we are going with the scramble for Africa/Australia plan.
Spoiler: Napoleonic Era
1776-1787 - See Posts on American and British Politics, along with the previous Colombian Post for info about the Wars in the America.
1793 - 1799 – Burdened by debts from the failed war with the United Kingdom and Colombia, the King of France calls a meeting of the Estates General. Enlightenment ideals, Rising Social Inequality, and previous bad crop harvests all contributed to this event the becoming the fuse that would set France aflame. The Revolution largely follows a similar series of events to OTL and can be divided into three initial sections. The first is like OTL, the delegates convene and end up passing a constitution that will reform French society, but only make it into a constitutional monarchy. The second phase begins with the ending of the estates general and the beginning of the National Convention. This phase saw countless battles between the Girondins and the Jacobins. It ends with war against Austria, Prussia, and the British Empire. The third phase is the Terror. The King is executed, and diverging from OTL, the constitution is amended to create a presidency. This role is only filled by a puppet, real power lies in the committees and Robespierre. The terror swells with civil wars and defeats on the frontline. When French fortunes on the battlefield turn around and the Levee en Masse proves its strength, the Jacobins are purged and Robespierre killed.
1795 – Haitian revolution begins. Starts like OTL, with the slaves revolting, and the fire being fanned by the enlightenment and French revolution. However, unlike in OTL, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, especially when there is enemy territory right next door. America and the UK rightly refuse to recognize the chaotic regimes on the island and refuse to land troops. Weapons and resources are smuggled in secretly to get past those very strong Pro-Slavery interests in the American south and the rest of the Caribbean. Support mainly comes from preventing French soldiers from arriving to quell the rebellion, provided by both nations navies.
1798 – Spanish revolution. The spread of the Terror in France leads the government to look for allies, and they find them in Spain. Urban unrest was high, debts unmanageable, the economic divide large, the harvests poor, and Communeros were secretly discussing insurrectionary activity. Colombia’s independence snapped the weak Spanish regime, throwing more pitch onto the fire then in OTL. Fearing for his safety, the King leave Madrid for Toledo, an interpretation of weakness by Liberals. An assembly was called, and French soldiers were invited in. The more catholic Northwest around Galicia declares for the king, fearing a terror against the church like in France. They would later be crushed by Napoleonic France, forcing the King into exile in Chile.
1799 – 1818 – Napoleonic or Presidential era. The constitution is reformed to prevent another terror, but this leads to a white reaction and a white terror. With the treat of potential back-peddling eminent, Napoleon along with a cadre of allies Coups the government in Paris. This is bit earlier in the timeline then OTL Brumaire, and Napoleon is weaker – he needs allies. The resulting government is very similar to the previous government, with a presidency and a legislature. This time however, the President is most powerful. A committed liberal is the first true President, while Napoleon heads for Italy and Egypt. He returns and overwhelmingly wins the Presidency each subsequent election. While he unofficially is Emperor, his title is President. He has a congress, but it is packed with do-nothing Allies.
From here, the wars largely follows OTL kind of similarly, though with several differences. Spain is a Republican Ally, so napoleons ulcer is in TTL southern Naples. Portugal falls to Spanish soldiers, forcing the monarchy officially to Brazil. Napoleon cannot put relatives on thrones because of his democratic office. Instead, the puppets all become Presidential republics, with the presidency’s held by either allies or elected relatives for potentially indefinite amounts of time.
1818-1819 – Napoleons downfall, and Talleyrands ingenuity. Napoleon returns to France following defeats in Russia and is eventually defeated on all counts by the coalition. He is exiled. During this time, the Bourbons return to France and the groundwork for a restoration of the monarchy. The allies head to Vienna to talk peace.
Then Napoleon returns and claims legitimacy from the old constitution – his present term had not yet expired. In a further attempt to grasp at popular legitimacy, he calls for new congressional elections while in Paris – since his puppet congress had been banished. Such a massive election in such a small time means that the people getting elected draw more from local notables and administrators, not Napoleonic allies. Despite the fact that Congress is now a jumble of ideologies, they back Napoleon out of fear and go along as he raises an army bound for war with Europe.
Talleyrand returns from Vienna and can accurately see what is playing out in front of him – Napoleon is doomed and France will get the blame. Talleyrand and his conservative allies in the congress draft a plan to save some of the French governments legitimacy. When Napoleon heads north for war, the Parisian National guard enters congress. Claiming to be acting in the best interests of the Republic, and declaring Napoleon an enemy of the Republic, the guard purges congress of Napoleonic allies and Conservative enemies. This produces the lively but ideologically harmonious body known as Talleyrand’s congress. Talleyrand is declared the emergency President and the responsible negotiator for the French Republic in Vienna.
Napoleon hearing of the news in Paris does the one this that he so far has refused to do, claim an Imperial title. He arranges a spontaneous demonstration from his soldiers declaring the Republic an enemy and Napoleon the French Emperor. But now Napoleon enters Waterloo with less overall morale and less friends then in OTL – his defeat is that more complete.
Following the Hundred days, the French position in negotiations is strengthened, not weakened like in OTL. Talleyrand can argue that the true enemy of Europe is Napoleon, not the French people and certainly not the French republic. While the monarchs of Europe are certainly no friend of this new Republic, Talleyrand is a conservative and he correctly assumes that France would not stand for putting the genie back in the bottle. Primary results of the treaty of Vienna:
- Spain restores the Bourbons and does try to put the genie back in the bottle
- Italy gets much the same borders and deal as OTL, except Marie Louis does not lead one of the successor states
- Netherlands gets Austria’s disconnected territory in the Low country but do not need Compensation from Luxemburg for losing the traditional lands in Nassau
- Britain keeps the Cape, but provides some from of compensation to the Netherlands
- German Territory becomes the German Confederation. A more acceptable France, means that Prussia does not need compensation from the Rhinish territories, who are returned to individual princes. Instead, the entirety of Saxony is annexed by Prussia. Austria and Prussia are designed to dominate the new German confederation, and also potentially protect the states if France comes knocking. Pomerania is unified under Prussia.
- Austria gets her territory returned like OTL, and Habsburgs are crowned like OTL
- Poland is divided much like OTL, to compromise between Russia and Prussia.
- Norway is released from Denmark with all her overseas territories intact. Norway still rebels like OTL, and is still occupied then PU’ed by Sweden.
- Slave Trade Condemned like OTL
- France is allowed to remain a Republic, but a new constitution is drafted that is much more conservative. Presidents serve for life, and are made much less powerful to prevent Napoleon-esque figures. Instead, power is vested in the PM, who by the original laws drafted, will always be someone of Conservative or Royalist stock. The first President as mandated must be Louis Stanislas Xavier, the Bourbon heir, who was elected unopposed by a vastly reduced voting population.
- Guarantees of Swiss Independence
- Malta is annexed by the UK
- Dutch handover several Bengal settlements to the UK
1820 – Napoleon dies of his cancer while en-route to Elba. He is given a burial at sea.
Spoiler: Between 1820 and 1843
1818 – 1820 – Foundation of Singapore. Such a move is opposed by the Dutch who hold Malacca, Johor, and other Key settlements that protect trade with the East Indies.
1822 – 1829: Greek Revolt. France refuses to unofficially participate, like in OTL, because of the wars proximity to the Napoleonic era. The UK, the Dominion, and some Colombians pick up the slack. They along with Russia end up defeating the Ottoman/Egyptian forces and liberating Greece. The country like OTL is handed to a German Prince.
1825 – Louis dies in France. The next in line, Charles tries to run and continue the unofficial monarchy. The voting franchise was at the time limited to men of property and wealthy notables. Opposition among Liberal members of this group builds around former Louis Minister François Guizot, who wins in a surprise upset over Charles. Charles tries to rally the nobles and the military in response to this seizure of power by a “’radical democrat,” but he is apprehended by those same soldiers. Louis ends up heading first to Spain, then to Chile following his attempt at power. Despite the fears that this election might bring chaos among the Royalists across Europe, Guizot is merely a Conservative running against Royalists. He does not change France’s foreign policy towards Europe or ‘reactionary’ regimes.
1825 – 1827 – Anglo Burmese war. East India Company goes to war with Taungoo and ends up losing countless men and wealth in the fight over Arakan and Rangoon. The British end up required material assistance from the Dutch into order to establish their control over the Burmese coastline.
The war weakens the already low prestige of the East India Company, already lower in London thanks to Americas rising star. The lack of funds will later see more indirect princely rule in India than in OTL. It also gives the French a window to Establish a Protectorate over Thatta.
1826 – Anglo-Dutch treaty that is designed to resolve disputes from the Napoleonic wars. British claims over South Africa, Guyana, and Singapore recognized. Dutuch rule over the East Indies and several Caribbean and African holdings officially backed. Britain trades islands inside the East Indies to the Netherlands in exchange for control of the straights settlements and influence over Johor and Perak. Unlike in OTL, the Dutch refuse to hand over Malacca, keeping it as an island of Dutch rule later surrounded by British dominions. The Netherlands hands over all settlements on Mainland India to the East India Company, and in exchange Dutch rule of Sri Lanka is respected. Britain pays Netherlands reparations.
Britain signs a treaty of defense with the Netherlands, something that will come into play with OTL Belgium. Unlike in OTL, the Dutch East Indies are required to provide aid and support to the East Indian Companies war in Burma. The Dutch hold over Malacca and several African holdings maintain the Dutch colonial empire, building a spirit that allows for participation in the Scramble for Africa and Australia.
1827 – Algerian Crisis. France says that the debts incurred by the revolutionary government have no legal standing, that government is dead. Algeria still wants compensation. In response, France sends warships to Algeria and ousts the ottoman Dey. The French take Algiers, but unlike OTL try not to ransack the city. The government has plans to take over just Algiers, Oran, and Bone, and wants little resistance from the natives. Unlike in OTL, where confusion dominated Paris from 1830-1848 over Frances policy towards Algeria, in TTL their policy becomes clear very quick. No advancement and further conquests of the interior, Guizot does not want to appear as carrying on Napoleons warmonger tradition. The inability of French troops to combat the interior however does enable al-Qādir’s religious resistance movement to fill the void even easier than in OTL and comes to be the established state in all of OTL Algeria West of Constatine. This will be a bigger problem for France then in OTL.
1831 – Low Countries Revolt. In response to the ostracization coming from Amsterdam and the divide between the mainly Catholic South and the Protestant north, the regions of Flanders and Wallonia revolt against the Dutch crown. The British hold a conference in London to decide what to do about the uprising. Talleyrand, the old statesman, proposes a division of the region to the benefit of France. This move is opposed by the all other powers. While the politicians were bickering in London, the military acted. Prussian and Austria marched into the Netherlands and crushed the rebels. This leaves the impression of the Netherlands as a weak power propped up by the German Absolutists.
1835 – Ottoman’s reassert their rule over Tripolitania. This was to prevent uprisings and movements in the interior that threatened to take another portion of the empire away from Istanbul. Despite this the Sennusiya movement will grow to establish unofficial control over Cyrenaica. They will prefer to deal with the Egyptians and later the British rather than the Ottomans. Tunis has already unofficially become independent thanks to weakening ottoman authority and French/British aid.
1836 – Boers head inland from the British coast on the long Trek. The end up creating the Orange Free state and Transvaal. The Dutch provide assistance as best they can to their former subjects.
1838 – Oriental Crisis. Egypt’s attempt at independence is not taken lightly by the European Powers who still want to maintain the façade of ottoman strength. To save the ottomans from total defeat the UK, Prussia, and Austria threaten intervention unless Egypt immediately accepts a deal confirming the Ali’s rule over Egypt, Sudan, the Hedjaz, and the Southern levant from Gaza to Beirut. In OTL Muhammad Ali rejected this deal expecting French aid. In TTL, there is no hope of France ever coming in, SO Muhammad Ali takes the best deal offered to him. Egypt remains nominally under the Ottomans, but Ali’s greater Egypt remains on the map.
1839 – 1841: beginning of the Rule of the White Rajas of Sarawak. This ‘enlightened’ colonial outpost will be indirectly administered by the United Kingdom, until conflict with Brunei. The UK will establish a protectorate over what remains of Brunei in 1884, protecting the integrity of the sultanate. Unlike OTL, when the white Rajas try and take Pandarua, the UK steps in and limits the authority of the Brooks.
1840 – New Zealand accepts itself as a Protectorate under the British flag. White settlement is limited to Auckland and a few other areas. A white governor is picked by the Maori for the protectorate and approved by the colonial office on the island.
Spoiler: Revolutionary Era of 1843
1843-1844 – The critical period. This is TTL’s springtime of Nations crisis, and it is where Europe begins to diverge heavily from OTL.
- Revolution begins in France. During the elections for the parliament, the Liberal opposition wins a large share of the vote riding on a wave of emerging wealthy liberal elite. However, thanks to malapportionment and rotten boroughs, the conservatives still have a majority. The liberals begin gathering and holding rallies to call upon the common population. These rallies and speech events begin to appear treasonous and Guizot decides to clamp down on the opposition closing presses and outlawing certain gatherings. The response is public protests in Paris. The hungry artisans class boosts the numbers of radicals and liberals, fueling the protests. Guizot flees Paris, and his supporters in Parliament gradually trickle out to join him in preparation for the military reconquest of Paris.
But, this is not the Paris of the boulevards, and the opposition is angry. When the troop columns enter they find the barricades and are unable to keep in communication across the city. To top this, the Parisian National guard is mobilized in support the revolutionaries. After two days of street fighting and the government making no progress whatsoever in the city, Guizot’s cabinet begins to resign – starting with his Chief minister. This trickle becomes a tidal wave and by the fourth day of fighting Guizot can not keep up the pressure and resigns the Presidency. The remaining government, almost entirely Liberal declares itself the emergency government responsible for drafting a new constitution for France.
- The Revolt now begins to spread. First to Spain where the absolutist Bourbons were never quite respected during their return. The arrival of the news from France triggers Liberal councils and civic guards to organize in every major city. Spontaneously one day the protestors show up in front of the Palace calling for the King. Fearing, that what might happen in France could happen here, the Spanish Monarch yields to the calls for constitution and civil rights. But the protests turn Radical. As the Liberals are drafting their constitution, the Radicals take matters into their own hands. They storm the Palace and force the king to resign his throne. He flees to Spain. This division between the constitutionalist liberals, and the republican radicals will doom the Spanish revolutionaries.
- The Netherlands confronts the crisis that she postponed in 1831. Liberals take to the streets of Amsterdam, but open revolution grabs hold of Flanders and Wallonia. William II chooses to appease the Liberals at home to try and form a united front against the South. Divisions within the army staff however doom the hope of a swift response, and questions of who actually had the power over the armed forces – the liberals or the king, prevent a clear message from emerging. The Netherlands calls for aid, but the other powers are focused on their own issues. The power that answers the call in France, who marches in and implements the Talleyrand plan.
- The Revolution enters Austria. When news of France’s events arrive, this emboldens the Liberals in the ineffectual Austria Diet. They and the protestors in the streets call for Metternich to resign. King Ferdinald I capitulate immediately. Austria finds itself constantly on the edge throughout this crisis because of Ferdinand’s incompetency and the divisions within his immediate staff. The Austrians begins to push further, and drafts a new constitution between the king and the people, guaranteeing free press, voting, and the usual liberal demands. The Liberals however found themselves unable to control the periphery as news of their victory spread.
- Germany falls into chaos when the dual strokes of Metternich’s and Guizot’s downfall arrive. Liberals seize the moment and topple multiple small German states. From here they issue a call for a united German parliament to pave the way for German Unification. This congress holds local elections across the German states. They convene in Koln, to draft the constitution for the
One target for the Koln Parliament is Holstein, presently under the boot of Danish rule. They order the Prussian Army, who doesn’t need much encouraging, to go assist the German rebels inside the nation. The Holstein war produces mixed results, but Prussia and the Germans have the upper hand. Then the Great powers intervene. The UK threatens to use her navy to protect the status quo, and Russia threatens invasion. Russia however pulls out because of her own crises, leaving only GB, who becomes more focused on containing France over Germany. A treaty is agreed to that gives Holstein independence, but leaves a Danish noble in change – something that would matter little to Prussia’s future Influence.
- Prussia’s insurrections are directly linked to Metternich’s downfall. Revolutionaries in Berlin take to the streets, calling for liberties and a constitution. After some clashes with the Police, Revolutionaries storm the palace and present their demands to a fearful king. Prussia decides to play along with the rebels in Koln, out of fear that the revolution will go even farther than it already has.
- Hungary receives word of the fall of Metternich and the new liberal direction for Austria and convenes a Parliament. Through their allies in Vienna, Hungary is able to draft a constitution that makes Hungary a separate Kingdom under the Habsburg boot. Their fatal flaw is however forcing Hungarian onto all the other minorities in their lands, leading to revolts in Transylvania and a rival power center building in Zagreb. A rapid and uncertain swing in the Vienna court would later see the Croatians favored, driving Hungary into conflict with their subsidiary kingdom.
- Italy has been planning revolution for a while, Carbonari cells litter the peninsula. With news from Vienna and Paris, protests break out in the larger cities across the peninsula. Rome passes a ‘more liberal’ constitution, and Savoy-Piedmont ends up with its own liberal document. The most crucial revolts though come from Milan and Venice against the Habsburg dominions. This brings Sardinia-Piedmont and many of the weaker now liberal states to war with Austria. They see initial success, capturing pieces of the Quadrilateral. Unlike in OTL, France pushes the Pope to remain committed to the war, which sees further Italian victories around Milan. Despite this, what would eventually hurt the Austrians was the demands from Vienna to send troops northwards. Eventually, the Austrians are forced to defend and crush Venice, while letting Milan and Lombardy fall to Italy.
- Poland has slept for 20+ years, but now is the moment when it all goes to hell. Emboldened by the actions across Europe, the Polish Sejm of Congressional Poland immediately drafts a Liberal constitution and declares independence. The Sejm creates a militaristic presidency similar to Colombia’s, and marshal’s troops against Moscow. Two things end up dooming the Poles in the immediate timeframe. The first is Prussia – the Poles declare support for the polish insurrections in Pozen against Berlin. This convinces Prussia to intervene after rushing Pozen and invades from the west. The second problem is that Russia follows a policy of secessionists first, rebels second. So while the revolution is blazing through Moscow and St. Petersburg, the full force of the army enters Poland.
- Wallachia and Moldovia revolt in a manner similar to the other rebels across Europe. The Liberals take power and propose reforms and a constitution. The initial problems for the Principality however were the heavy-handed Russians and the uprisings in Hungary. When Russia fell into Revolt, the principalities decide to unite.
- Moscow and St. Petersburg are the last places the revolution will touch in any serious manner. When news arrived of Paris and Vienna, the Intellectuals take to the streets in protest. The crisis turns violent when a army regiment fires upon protestors in Moscow. This turns Moscow into a city of barricades. St. Petersburg, fearing the spread of violence, capitulates to the demands of civil liberties and a constitution. The Czar hopes to build a united front against the Poles taking advantage of St. Petersburg’s chaos.
Spoiler: End of Revolutions
- France creates a new constitution with a Powerful presidency, requiring subsequent reelection, and almost full male voting rights. Alexandre Ledru-Rollin wins the election as a Liberal-Radical, but then sides with a Right-Liberal alliance over the Proto-Socialists on the Left. He also sees France’s re-entry into world Politics.
- The Spanish revolution is seized upon by the radicals and a republic is declared. This Republic calls elections and begins carrying out the bodies of state. The constitutionalist Liberals eventually leave the Republic out of fear and disillusion and join with the rallying conservative right. The army engages with Madrid for two weeks before finally dispersing the barricades and returning the Bourbons from Portugal. The liberals compromise with the king and create constitutionalist government, while the radicals make a 7-month last stand in Barcelona and Valencia.
- The Netherlands is in chaos when the French enter. Fearing a complete French conquest, the British intervene. Redcoats land along the Flemish coast and move inland, while the French soldiers march north. The two eventually meet and after several tense moments, disperse. OTL Belgium is divided where those armies met – which only roughly follows the Flemish/Walloon divide. There is significant amount of Flemish in the French half, and Walloons in the British. The French begin the process of integrating their south, while the British work to restore order and create the kingdom of Flanders, in perpetual union to the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
- The Austrian monarchy flees Vienna and calls all reserves towards Vienna to retake to Capital. However, the Hungarians in assistance with the rebels in Vienna, briefly defeat the amassing forces. Austria agrees to a ceasefire with Budapest, and proceeds to retake Vienna and establish Conservative rule.
- Prussia under the advice of the young conservative like Bismarck, undercuts the Liberals and their constitution writing by promulgating a Conservative constitution. Prussia by now has turned against the Liberal/Radical infighting in the liberal parliament and support the street warfare to clear the radical barricades in Berlin. The new parliament elects both conservatives and liberals, but Prussian Constitutionalism still puts the king in the driver’s seat.
- Germany and the Koln parliament effectively become a vestigial organization. As conservativism is reasserting itself in Berlin and Vienna, the Liberals and Radicals still battle it out over how to unite Germany. Eventually, and very Liberal constitution is drafted that agrees with the rebels in Hungary. It backs Grossdeutschland and offers the crown to both Prussia and Austria. Prussia refuses the ‘crown from the gutter.’ Austria is initially acceptable, but then refuses such a liberal plan after liberating Vienna and believes that they could restore the Habsburg dominions. Prussian troops help dispel liberalism from the German states.
- Following Vienna betrayal of Hungary, Hungary revolts and enters a radical phase of war with Austria. They see some limited success around Vienna, and that brings a truce enabling Hungary to build up and crush the Transylvanian and Serbian rebels. She receives aid, instructors, and support from France, who wants to weaken the Habsburgs When war restarts Hungary and Austria fight several indecisive battles across the Danuban plain. Austria calls for help, but unlike in OTL, Russia has to deal with her own insurrections. Britain answers to counter French aid, but she can only provide aid and naval assistance. Hungary wins a decisive battle in Croatia allowing them to campaign for the Dalmatian coast. Facing defeat and needing more soldiers for Italy, Austria calls for peace.
Hungary gains Independence but must put the old Habsburg Ferdinand I on their throne – Austria having dumped him for the boy absolutist Franz Joseph and the regency of Archduchess Sophie during the war. Hungary Croatia, but Austria retains key forts along the Dalmatian coasts. Galicia remains Austrian, but would soon evolve following the Russian wars. This begins a reassessment of Austrian Foreign Policy, turning towards their South German and Polish allies over their lost influence in the Balkans and Italy. Hungary becomes a liberal constitutional monarchy.
- With the Austrians in retreat for Venice, Sardinia and the Carbonari begin to issue proclamations of unity across the Italian peninsula. While these actions are tentatively supported by France, French and British influence ironically works in tandem to prevent Italian unity. The French land armies in support of the Pope, taking Austria’s role as protector of Catholicism. Britain swoops into the lost Austrian influenced Two Sicily’s, helping put down the Naples Carbonari and prop up the monarchy. Dissatisfaction however builds in the north, leading to outright battles between the constitutionalist Sardinia-Piedmont forces, and the Republican Carbonari. Despite Austria’s weakness, Italy is weaker. A constitutionalist majority eventually emerges, but the Carbonari cells remain underground, preparing for the day when Italy can truly be united and the king overthrown. They would have an important role to play when Britain abandons the two Sicily’s and Italy resumes her civil conflict.
- Poland is at war with both Russia and Prussia. That is not a fight she can win. Failing to defend Warsaw, the Sejm flees to Krakow and asks Austria for aid. Austria refuses, and most of the Sejm are rounded up. But, after Hungary secedes, Austria reevaluates their positions and sees Galicia as an island of potential influence. Austria annexes Krakow but establishes a new puppet Sejm in the city. The Habsburgs put one of their own on the throne of the new Conservative state and receive London and Paris’s blessing to protect this Habsburg puppet against their mutual enemies of Prussia and Russia. This becomes a point of contention with Russia as the Sejm ‘claims’ to be the rightful government of Poland.
- The Romanian nations fail because of time. While the Liberals and the radicals saw some initial success, their bickering allows for the conservatives to gain legitimacy in the surrounding courts. With order in place in Hungary and Poland, the two nations armies descend on the nations. They do not stand a chance. Hungary’s constant desire to keep Romania down will define Balkan geopolitics in the decades.
- With Poland dealt with, the Russian army brings its full weight to bear on the rebellious Liberals of St. Petersburg. The Liberals, fearing for their future, enact all sorts of radical laws to try and gain sympathy from the countryside. Freeing the serfs, abolishing taxes and debts, local autonomy, state pensions for service in the republican Brotherhood (aka National Guard like in France), and state work offices for the urban poor. This just turns the elites and the right even more against the liberals. When the soldiers enter St. Petersburg, there was no doubt about what would happen.
Overall, the liberal revolts fail like in OTL, only transforming their conservative states into constitutional conservative states. Where the revolts do succeed unlike OTL is in nationalist revolts: France, Holstein, Hungary, and Northern Italy.
If you ever want me to make a history textbook style graphic markup of these large text blocs let me know and I will see what I can do! It would really bring this project alive
Don't worry. Like I said a while back, this is just the skeleton, so we can get a world map to actually start the main post and politics. Then we can go back and delve further into detail.
Here's the map of my Latin America proposal.....
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Herb Kohl (Liberal) (1991-present)
Ron Johnson (Federalist) (2011-present)
Here's yet another go at the Senate, I hope this is pleasing to all.
Here's some of the numbers there are exactly 46 'left' senators and 46 'right' senators so it's balanced.
Rassemblement pour la Liberté: 3
Union Populaire: 3
America First: 1
American Heritage: 1
Independent Federalist: 1
Independent Labor: 1
Union Populaire: 3
Independent Labor: 1
Rassemblement pour la Liberté: 3
Independent Federalist: 1
Crossbench group: 10
America First: 1
American Heritage: 1
@Zyxoriv Tom Cotton (Thomas Collier), Thad Cochran (Theo Roux), Jim Hood (Jacques Capote), and Matt Gaetz are all MPs here. And the Reform Senator from NJ's last name is spelled L-o-n-e-g-a-n.
Blame NSS, I based my list off of his, jk.
Is he the one that made the spreadsheet for all the MPs?
No, he made the original senators list, which he began working on after the MP list had been complete.
I've been doing some reading on the Canadian Senate and I'm more intrigued by Kanan's idea by the day. I'll draft a proposal list either tonight or tomorrow.
I think that’s the best of both world, a big fun Mexico with convientent little ithsmus states that we all know Britain will really want to just chop in half to get their navy around the world faster!
Especially since a strong Colombia will be expecting a majority of shares in any canal across them, and they have the force to actually back it up.
Does anyone have any ideas for the status of Hawaii ITTL?
Yankee protectorate? (I feel like the trope of it is overused, but’s still plausible knowing the history)
Similarly, anyone have ideas for Japan? The UK wouldn't put to much effort behind a Japanese project, since they have china. Same for France. It might be interesting if Russia is the first one to pierce the Japanese isolation, considering they have very different goals from the other two.
Hawaii is probably UK, France, or Germany with the Dutch and Russians as less easy options. Hawaii probably suffers the same fate as Samoa, Figi, and Tonga, no reason for uniqueness.
Or we could turn to something in Russian America (a TL I like to follow on Wikia) and have Hawaii unify all of Polynesia as Prussia did to Germany IOTL.
United Polynesia! I like it, I'm ready to make a flag and an infobox.
Well, here's some of the relevant info:
https://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/Polynesia_(Russian_America) (history is out of date)
https://althistory.wikia.com/wiki/User:NuclearVacuum/Sandbox/Russian_America#Earlier_Polynesia (what I'm talking about)
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