The Whale has Wings

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The Run Home pt 2

By the next morning, the fleet was well clear of both Germany and Norway, steaming north east to get back home. However there was one more action before they finally made it clear. It was obvious that the Luftwaffe was still searching for them; as the weather today was cloudy, and it would not have been possible to detect a searchplane before it reported in, it had been decided to use the radar. They were now too far away for coastal monitoring to be useful, and it seemed unlikely that any plane could pick the emissions up. They did, however, stay under radio silence (all necessary reports had been made yesterday while under attack, since at that point it didn't make any difference).


The radar showed an occasional echo which they thought were planes searching for them, but the only close contact came at 1300. This was a single plane, and as they did not detect any signals from it, it was thought they hadn't been spotted. In fact they had, and the planes radio was picked up shortly afterwards, by which time there wasn't much point in sending a fighter after it.


As it seemed likely there was time for an attack before dusk, the carriers sent up a new CAP and landed the old one so as to give the ones airborne maximum endurance. After yesterdays experience, 9 fighters were spotted on each carrier, 3 fully warmed up. At1600 a large formation (22 planes) was detected approaching from the south at 50 miles. The ready planes were launched, and the rest warmed up to be launched as soon as possible. Meanwhile the CAP gained height, as these planes were at 15,000 feet. It wasn't clear what the planes were until they got visual contact; the formation was coming in fast, and at first it was thought they might have been Me110's, which were thought capable of a fighter-bomber role. When they were seen, they were identified as Ju88's.


The first interception was made at about 15 miles from the carriers, the Goshawks bouncing the enemy from above. This was made easier as they were steadily losing height, and it was assumed that they would try a level bombing at around 10,000 feet to gain accuracy. The Ju88 was a fast plane, as had been found out at Scapa, and as a result it took time to make multiple attacks against it. The earlier actions against the plane had, though, shown it was very vulnerable to the defenders 20mm cannon. The first group of planes shot down 4 Ju88's in their initial attack, then turned to close and attack again. After the debacle yesterday, it had been decided that the planes would not be called off until they attack closed to 5 miles, and at that point the decision was up to the carrier.


Nive more fighters were heading for the formation, and as they were now only 10 miles from the fleet they made a head-on attack, which resulted in 3 more Ju88's either shot down or turned away with damage. There were still 15 planes heading for the fleet. The original CAP had by now caught up with the fast bombers again, and another 2 were brought down, 2 more retreating with obvious damage and trailing smoke. The remaining 11 saw yet another group of fighters heading for them, and at this point obviously decided to pick a target and get home, leaving the carriers alone as too difficult a target.


Instead, they went for the nearest ship, which was the cruiser Southampton. What they did next surprised the defending fighters - they dropped into a dive-bombing attack. No-one had expected such a large plane to have this capability, and as a result the fighters did not react until they had started their dives. Sounthamptons close range AA engaged the first group of 3 planes, while the fighters went for the 4 that still had not started their dives; due to the confusion, only one of these was shot down, the other dropped their bombs at random into the North Sea and escaped.


The cruiser wasn't as heavily equipped with light AA as desired, but she was firing everything she had. It was noted later that the defence seemed to confirm what had already been suspected (and would also be confirmed by the after-strike reports from the FAA own attacking planes), that the tracer streams seemed to make the attackers react more. The light AA failed to shoot down any of the 3 attackers, however none of them managed any hits, although the impressively tall waterspouts were close enough to the ship to soak men on the upper deck and bridge.


The second group of 3 were more successful. One bomb hit right forward, destroying the ships cable locker and some crew quarters - fortunately empty as everyone was at action stations, and starting a fire in her paint locker. The other was far more damaging, the 250kg bomb penetrating the ships armour and impacting in her forward boiler room. the ship slewed to a stop as power was temporarily lost due to shock damage, and a large fire developed around the ships seaplane, probably caused by a shell splinter igniting the fuel.

It was lucky for the Southampton that this was the last attack that day. While the fire would take a considerable time to quell, the one forward was not terribly dangerous, and once the fuel had burnt the one amidships was also brought under control. Power was restored quickly - the aft boilers and generators were undamaged, and while there was flooding due to the bomb, this did not spread further through the ship. As the air threat seemed to have passed, the fleet split into two section. Two destroyers and the AA cruiser HMS Curlew remained with Southampton to aid her, the rest of the ships continued to head for home. Half an hour after he damage, Southampton signalled she could make 20knots (in fact, she actually worked up to 23, the engineers understandably reluctant to take longer than necessary to get home)
 
Nice series of updates, I'm loving this TL. You mentioned earlier about the RN having better operational research, will we see the RN passing on info on the effectiveness of the LW attacks on their ships to the RAF so that they can improve their own anti shipping strikes as this would benefit the RN?
 
Nice series of updates, I'm loving this TL. You mentioned earlier about the RN having better operational research, will we see the RN passing on info on the effectiveness of the LW attacks on their ships to the RAF so that they can improve their own anti shipping strikes as this would benefit the RN?

Yes, to soem extent (the RAF is still rather NIH, though this will change during the war as realism sets in). The RAF will also be passing on their results to the RN.
Its not so much better OpRe as earlier; it was always very odd the RN took so long to implement it, but there was a lot of resistance from the 'traditional' officers. The FAA is new (again), and more willing to try out new stuff, and once its going its a bit difficult to ignore it.

The big issue with the RAF improving anti shipping strikes is they havent built the planes Coastal Command needs :p However some improvements can be made, and will be later.

The RAF is akso going to end up with some Goshawks, and using a navy-designed plane is (hopefully) going to give some Air Marshalls apoplexy :) But its really a better choice as a fighter-bomber in the middle and far east than the hurricane (which will, due to production capabilities, also be in action). What may well get butterflied away is the 'clipped, clapped, cropped' Spitfire...
 
they stole the lot, bloody nation of shoplifters.....:mad:

Hey, hey, we learned from the best - dear old dad. :p

(you do know the saying about the English language right - it is the language that doesn't just take words from other languages it hauls other languages into the shadows and beats them over the head for words. :D Us English speakers have a long and proud tradition of stealing...um using...other peoples technology and language. And you Brits started it for us, we just learned from you. ;) ).

Tom.
 
It will be interesting to see what the general reaction will be to this early conclusive evidence that aircraft can hit a prepared maneuvering warship at sea, after the demonstration that even large ships can be sunk by air-launched torpedoes and bombs, both from an aggressive and defensive perspective.

For the RAF, the perspective of Coastal Command will be interesting. They are likely to seize on this as justification for their own existence. The early loss of the FAA can't have endeared the RN to the RAF, and the chance to displace them as the main line of national defense would be attractive. This can be used as an evidence that it's worth investing in better land based anti-shipping capacity, to displace home fleet. There is still time in this less desperate period in the war for such a project to be worked on.

For the RN, this episode is likely to further increase the urgency of improving their ships' anti-aircraft load out, although it's unlikely this can be accelerated much. It is also likely to reinforce the importance of having carriers with a strong CAP operating with all battlegroups. It's also shown that even with three carriers, enemy bombers can still leak through and do real damage. It is a very powerful demonstration of the threat of land based air.

For the Luftwaffe, then this can be spun as a vindication. Whilst the KM was unable to respond at all to a RN attack, they could hit back. The concept and value of a dedicated anti-shipping force has been conclusively demonstrated, particularly as similar strikes against Kiel and Hamburg can't be ruled out.

For the RM, this is a nightmare. They don't have any organic air capacity.

For the RA, by contrast, it's an opportunity. The experiments which lead to the establishment of a Sparviero torpedo bomber force are likely to be accelerated slightly.

The USN are likely to focus mainly on the hight attack on a harbour, and pay less attention to the German response, although the ability of attacking aircraft to penetrate even quite a substantial CAP should be noticed, and work done on how to improved that.

The USAAF are unlikely to do much at all.
 
It will be interesting to see what the general reaction will be to this early conclusive evidence that aircraft can hit a prepared maneuvering warship at sea, after the demonstration that even large ships can be sunk by air-launched torpedoes and bombs, both from an aggressive and defensive perspective.

For the RAF, the perspective of Coastal Command will be interesting. They are likely to seize on this as justification for their own existence. The early loss of the FAA can't have endeared the RN to the RAF, and the chance to displace them as the main line of national defense would be attractive. This can be used as an evidence that it's worth investing in better land based anti-shipping capacity, to displace home fleet. There is still time in this less desperate period in the war for such a project to be worked on.

For the RN, this episode is likely to further increase the urgency of improving their ships' anti-aircraft load out, although it's unlikely this can be accelerated much. It is also likely to reinforce the importance of having carriers with a strong CAP operating with all battlegroups. It's also shown that even with three carriers, enemy bombers can still leak through and do real damage. It is a very powerful demonstration of the threat of land based air.

For the Luftwaffe, then this can be spun as a vindication. Whilst the KM was unable to respond at all to a RN attack, they could hit back. The concept and value of a dedicated anti-shipping force has been conclusively demonstrated, particularly as similar strikes against Kiel and Hamburg can't be ruled out.

For the RM, this is a nightmare. They don't have any organic air capacity.

For the RA, by contrast, it's an opportunity. The experiments which lead to the establishment of aSparviero torpedo bomber force are likely to be accelerated slightly.

The USN are likely to focus mainly on the hight attack on a harbour, and pay less attention to the German response, although the ability of attacking aircraft to penetrate even quite a substantial CAP should be noticed, and work done on how to improved that.

The USAAF are unlikely to do much at all.

Yes, pretty much.
Ironically, of course, those high level hits were pure luck - I figured the poor Germans had to have something...:) What it has confirmed is that fleet HA fire isnt very effective (which they already sort of knew), and that if you have fighters they are a much better defence.
Its also shown the practice of controlling and intercepting is very much in its infancy, and this will be worked on (although it really needs better radar)

I hadnt thought about the RAF using it as an excuse to beef up Coastal Command, but its an interesting idea. Loads of internecine fighting between Bomber command and Coastal command, I suspect :)

The navy is already increasing its close in AA as fast as they can (they did this in OTL too, they had the heaviest close in fire of any navy in 1939), but there are equipment shortages. Its a bit better this time, as the better FAA aircraft rubbed everyones noses in it a bit earlier, but they wont really be adequate until 42

As far as the FAA is concerned, of course, you cant have too many carriers :) The new building programs are somewhat different from OTL :)

The LW will indeed be looking at a dedicated antishipping wing, which will be rubbed in during Norway, but it wont be much advanced over OTL (Norway, France and the BoB seriously screw up LW planning).

Same of course for the RA, but Italys problem is lack of resources

The IJN is probably just nodding and saying we told you so, although they are still remarkably complacent about thei own AA.

The USN considers its HA fire is the best, and if those had been US ships they'd never have been hit...:) They will probably try and speed up fitting of the latest systems, though. US carriers wont really get a big boost until France falls

The USAAF considers the attacks on the way home a complete vindication of its AS wing, so it should get the money not the USN...:p:D
 

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Quite. But........

That didn't stop the Americans adopting Angle Flight deck, steam catapult and mirror landing aids. Plus the jet engines that powered their aircraft. Oh and the radars and the liberty ship (to a British design). Oh and the Mustang.

Actually all we stole for the Mustang was the engine. :D
 
Actually all we stole for the Mustang was the engine. :D


Wasn't the mustang the product of a Royal Air Force Requirement? :p


That said, aside from the glorious Spitfire there was no match more made in heaven. The sound of that P-51D flying past me at full tilt almost close enough to touch is a memory that will stay with me forever.
 
No, the UK purchasing agents went to North American asking for them to make more Curtiss P-40s as Curtiss was at capacity. North American to the UK that North American could have a better design ready in 120 days. And North America did so with a few days to spare. NA had been looking at the problem earlier--they had bought wind tunnel data from Curtiss.
Wasn't the mustang the product of a Royal Air Force Requirement? :p


That said, aside from the glorious Spitfire there was no match more made in heaven. The sound of that P-51D flying past me at full tilt almost close enough to touch is a memory that will stay with me forever.
 
No, the UK purchasing agents went to North American asking for them to make more Curtiss P-40s as Curtiss was at capacity. North American to the UK that North American could have a better design ready in 120 days. And North America did so with a few days to spare. NA had been looking at the problem earlier--they had bought wind tunnel data from Curtiss.


I see. German sources on the exact origins of the Mustang are mostly a bit vague. "British initiative" is most commonly used. Along with Galland saying that he knew the jig was up when he saw Mustangs over Berlin.
 
I see. German sources on the exact origins of the Mustang are mostly a bit vague. "British initiative" is most commonly used. Along with Galland saying that he knew the jig was up when he saw Mustangs over Berlin.

Well more than the ( excellent ) fighter "per sai" IMHO he was talking about fighter escort for the bombers all the way to Germany. And well, again IMHO, he was completely right, it was a game changer ...
 
Well more than the ( excellent ) fighter "per sai" IMHO he was talking about fighter escort for the bombers all the way to Germany. And well, again IMHO, he was completely right, it was a game changer ...

I very much agree.
*leans back, thinks of the awesome sound of that Mustang pulling up into near-vertical, engine at full power and the supercharger kicking in*
 
Same of course for the RA, but Italys problem is lack of resources

The Italian's have a really big advantage here. The Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 Sparviero medium bomber, which they have quite large numbers (600 when the war starts) of, makes a really quite good torpedo bomber. The modifications to carry torpedoes are not substantial. As shown in the second paragraph here, the Italians also had no problems with air launched torpedoes, indeed, as the Germans had immense problems in the field, the Italians supplied virtually all their's, as well. Training was a problem, but if they had the will they could rapidly equip a substantial force of torpedo bombers. Of course, the Italians have a lot of other calls on those planes.
 
Quite. But........

That didn't stop the Americans adopting Angle Flight deck, steam catapult and mirror landing aids. Plus the jet engines that powered their aircraft. Oh and the radars and the liberty ship (to a British design). Oh and the Mustang.

Also 'that glorious, precision-made, British-built bridge which is the envy of the civilized world'......

....aka Bailey crap


Interestingly, the US 1945 Fleet carrier (follow-on to the Essex class) has its aft catapult angled out.

FollowontoEssexclasscarrier.jpg
 
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Also 'that glorious, precision-made, British-built bridge which is the envy of the civilized world'......

....aka Bailey crap


Interestingly, the US 1945 Fleet carrier (follow-on to the Essex class) has its aft catapult angled out.

FollowontoEssexclasscarrier.jpg

You arent tryingto suggest it uses Baily Bridge components, are you? :D:D
 
Aftermath of the Raid

The safe arrival of the strike fleet back at Loch Ewe was greeted with relief in the Admiralty. Using such a substantial force in what had been seen as a risky operation, mainly because at this stage of the war the defensive efforts of the Germans could only be estimated (and in particular after the rough handling the two RAF raids had had). Pictures of the results of the raid, and the complete devastation of the harbour, had made it before the arrival of the fleet - indeed, one of the things taken onto the flagship when it anchored was not only the congratulations of Admiral Frazer, but a set of photographs to be admired and passed around. The pictures proved particularly popular on HMS Illustrious, since she, as well as HMS Southampton, had been claimed as sunk by the Luftwaffe - a claim that was to repeated a number of times for Illustrious as the war went on.

The analysis of the raid showed it had been as successful as might have been hoped.

Tirpitz had been on fire internally for an hour before fire crews arrived, and by the time they had managed to restore some sort of control most of the interior of the ship had been burnt out. There was significant blast damage to the superstructure, and splinter damage deep into the ship, plus water damage lower down due to the flooding from the near miss. In some areas the fire had been hot enough to cause some distortion. It would take 2 months to thoroughly survey the ship and determine what needed to be done to repair her, and the rebuilding plus a complete re-fitting-out was estimated to take over 2 years. In fact, while plans were made to repair and refloat her, by the summer it was decided she was a TCL, her guns dismantled for coastal defence and the ship broken up for her steel

The Admiral Sheer, having blown up in the raid, was sunk on her side (the water not being deep enough for her to turn over fully), and a total wreck.

The three cruisers were also complete write-offs, and 2 destroyers were later found to be TCL, although a third was finally repaired. There was also damage to some of the U-boats under construction, two being declared TCL. Two more probably should have been, but maybe for political reasons they were rebuilt instead. There had also been considerable damage to the U-boat slips and fitting out facilities. The main damage, though, was to the morale of the Germans. Wilhelmshaven had been the second navy base, and to have it violated like this made the men mutter about what might happen to other ships in the future. It was bad enough having to face the Royal Navy at sea, but there you had a chance, in port you could be bombed while asleep in your bunk.

In the end the Kriegsmarine decided that as a point of honour they had to keep using the base, although its defences were built up considerably. Which was rather a waste later in the war, as the only real use for it was to build U-boats


The effects on the Royal Navy and the Fleet Air arm were rather more subtle. The money spent on the new carriers had, they felt, been fully vindicated - while surface ships were very useful, nothing but a carrier force could have done that damage. It was also apparent that ships under air attack without a carrier could be in trouble, and that high value units needed their own air protection. While this had been suspected already, the raid did make it more apparent. As a result, work was started on improving the control of the aircraft (the attacks by the Luftwaffe had shown that the existing system was too primitive and inaccurate).

The attacks had also shown that the existing HA defences were inadequate, at least against determined attack. Both these conclusions would be reinforced by the actions later in the year, but it would take years before things were in a satisfactory state. The aim was to develop a doctrine based, where possible, around a force of surface ships with carrier support, but it was realised this would take time and practice. While some of the more fervent carrier supporters did suggest that they could do without battleships altogether, this was never considered a sensible attitude, particularly due to the constant threat of bad weather in the North Sea and Atlantic during the winter. The concept of a balanced fleet was, however, changing to meet the new challenges.

The biggest effect however was the political one. Churchill was most impressed and pleased with the victory. As he said in the House of Commons the day the force returned:

"It has been said that a war between a land power like Germany and a naval power such as ourselves is difficult, as it is a war between an Elephant and a Whale!. Well, on New Year Herr Hitler learned that THIS Whale has wings!"

As a result of Churchills approval, the Admiralty was able to fend off some of the requests from the Air Ministry for greater resources, especially where aircraft were concerned. Not a huge amount, but then the FAA was much smaller than the RAF. This was very helpful as the naval building program was being examined with the need to cut back in some areas - without the raid, the fleets carriers might have been slowed in construction or stopped. Indeed, it was found possible to get some extra manpower and investment in the FAA's new programs, although the RAF build-up still consumed the great majority of the aircraft industry.
 
OK, just a brief note to explain what's going to happen next..

Now the Wilhelmshaven raid is done, its fairly quiet until April 1940 (at least on the air front). Next up in the blowing up big steely things line is Norway. Thats complicated (the naval and air battles in Norway were a complete mess!!), so I will be posting some small updates showing whats going on generally and clarifying doctrine, development and so on (and also what the foreign response to the raid is), while I work out the first week or so of Norway.
 
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