The Sun Will Rise: Mary I of England has a Son
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Where in Marwar? Its quite a large region ruled by Gurjara-Pratihara dynasty since about the 6th century to the 13 th century and then onwards by the Rathores. Do you mean to say that the Rathores are vassalized by Hemchandra?
Mrstrategy
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Yes are the Spanish still strong enought to win in france specially with the problem in the Netherlands
VVD0D95
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The Rathores are working with Hemchandra yes.
They're reaching breaking point.
He already did.
VVD0D95
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As it stands now, Spain have armies in three places, France are low on morale... it looks like France.
I suspect that we are seeing the Spanish Empire at it's absolute zenith in this TL, however the economic forces that destroyed Spain in RL are all in place in this TL as well. The damn empire is (on a global scale) simply too big to manage, Philip is spending the money coming from the new world like water and any disruption of the cash flow will cause economic chaos.
Hell, even with that money his father suffered bankruptcies, and so will he.
And something that's easy to forget is that 'Spain' as a unified nation doesn't technically exist yet, 'Spain' is a collection of Kingdoms and lands that were united through conquest and inheritance, while Castile (Spain Proper, the location of Madrid, etc) has become (more or less) subservient to Philip's will, the other Kingdoms require a more delicate touch, and Philip does tend to ruffle feathers.
When he's winning they won't do much more than grumble, but if he starts losing, well then that's when things will get interesting...
Hell, even with that money his father suffered bankruptcies, and so will he.
And something that's easy to forget is that 'Spain' as a unified nation doesn't technically exist yet, 'Spain' is a collection of Kingdoms and lands that were united through conquest and inheritance, while Castile (Spain Proper, the location of Madrid, etc) has become (more or less) subservient to Philip's will, the other Kingdoms require a more delicate touch, and Philip does tend to ruffle feathers.
When he's winning they won't do much more than grumble, but if he starts losing, well then that's when things will get interesting...
VVD0D95
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You shall see soon.
Oh definitely, when Philip does clock it, his son or whoever succeeds him is going to have a mountain to climb.
VVD0D95
Banned
1569
India, the emperor, having recovered from whatever it was that ailed him the previous year, embarks on yet another campaign toward Gujarat, this time, his generals Gaurav and Bhargav are the ones leading the initial assault, raiding and pillaging through the sultanate. The Emperor joins them later that year with a giant host, hundreds of elephants, cavalry and artillery lining the way for miles and miles. Needless to say the fighting that ensues sees Gujarat reduced to a smoking ruin before the Sultan himself is turned on by his men, and handed in chains to the emperor. Instead of showing his usual leniency, the emperor orders the sultan and his entire family put to the sword, and orders his troops to leave Gujarat a smoking ruin. Salt and ash are piled into the fields, and the land becomes barren for many years to come. People are destroyed in their homes, villages and towns are destroyed, and at its end, the emperor returns to Indraprastha with the loot to fill his coffers and continue his project.
With his finances beginning to strain at the belt, King Philip finds himself faced with the difficulty of finding money with which to pay his soldiers. The Duke of Alba and his son the Prince of Asturias have paid their troops with the loot taken from their campaigns, but Philip himself has spent most of the time laying siege to Paris, and therefore, it seems as though the only choice he has is to either sack the city or leave. Eventually, he is solved having to come to a solution for this issue himself, when messengers come from Paris, King Henry after months of refusing, is finally ready to meet. The subsequent talks last into the wee hours of the morning on three days, none no exactly what was discussed between the two Kings, but at its end, Philip comes away married to Henry’s daughter Margaret- having previously considered marrying his niece Anne of Austria, but deciding against it- Philip also comes away from Paris with a promise from Henry that the man will not get involved in any politicking in the Netherlands, thus leading to the withdrawal of the Prince of Conde from the region. Philip also sends the Duke of Alba and his men back home, as part of the deal. Ultimately, Philip has come out of this stronger, whilst Henry’s reputation is left in tatters-something that will only serve to worsen his standing amongst his own lords.
In the Netherlands, Carlos, Prince of Asturias, having won a victory against the Prince of Conde, reluctantly releases the man on his father’s orders, and allows the man and the battered remains of his army to leave the Netherlands. He then makes his way to Brussels, bringing with him both the Count of Egmont and the Count of Horn, to in his own words ‘hammer out a settlement.’ Whether that is his true intention or not is never known, for Carlos, is soon summoned back from Brussels by his father, returning at the end of the year, disgruntled, and more determined than ever to do something about his father. In the Netherlands, Egmont and Horn come to an uneasy truce, and agree to work with Margaret of Parma on the Council of State, whilst in a rare moment of sense, Philip agrees to lessen the inquisition-probably the influence of his new wife-.
In England, word of the treaty between Spain and France is treated with caution, the regents had done well to keep the kingdom out of the war, but they are always aware of the fact that Calais could always fall to hungry eyes. Thankfully, with France dealt with, Philip seems to be in a more negotiable mood, and agrees to a joint venture in exploring some more of the New World, where they will go at the time of the Treaty of Westminster is not certain, but there is definitely a venture in the distance. Meanwhile, within England itself, there are calls for a push to completely bring the Church back to Rome from the north, led by Charles Neville, 6th Earl of Westmoreland as well as Thomas Percy, Earl of Northumberland, the Nevilles and Percys putting aside their differences for the time being to push for greater integration. Whilst some of the regents led by Norfolk support this, others such as Rutland are aware of the potential consequences such a move could have, with the crown so recently out of debt, the regents decide against this, but instead decide to seek a more middle ground settlement regarding the Church, the crown and Rome. It helps that Ireland is currently peaceful, and talks begin in earnest with most of nobility of the land moving forward to discuss such a thing.
India, the emperor, having recovered from whatever it was that ailed him the previous year, embarks on yet another campaign toward Gujarat, this time, his generals Gaurav and Bhargav are the ones leading the initial assault, raiding and pillaging through the sultanate. The Emperor joins them later that year with a giant host, hundreds of elephants, cavalry and artillery lining the way for miles and miles. Needless to say the fighting that ensues sees Gujarat reduced to a smoking ruin before the Sultan himself is turned on by his men, and handed in chains to the emperor. Instead of showing his usual leniency, the emperor orders the sultan and his entire family put to the sword, and orders his troops to leave Gujarat a smoking ruin. Salt and ash are piled into the fields, and the land becomes barren for many years to come. People are destroyed in their homes, villages and towns are destroyed, and at its end, the emperor returns to Indraprastha with the loot to fill his coffers and continue his project.
With his finances beginning to strain at the belt, King Philip finds himself faced with the difficulty of finding money with which to pay his soldiers. The Duke of Alba and his son the Prince of Asturias have paid their troops with the loot taken from their campaigns, but Philip himself has spent most of the time laying siege to Paris, and therefore, it seems as though the only choice he has is to either sack the city or leave. Eventually, he is solved having to come to a solution for this issue himself, when messengers come from Paris, King Henry after months of refusing, is finally ready to meet. The subsequent talks last into the wee hours of the morning on three days, none no exactly what was discussed between the two Kings, but at its end, Philip comes away married to Henry’s daughter Margaret- having previously considered marrying his niece Anne of Austria, but deciding against it- Philip also comes away from Paris with a promise from Henry that the man will not get involved in any politicking in the Netherlands, thus leading to the withdrawal of the Prince of Conde from the region. Philip also sends the Duke of Alba and his men back home, as part of the deal. Ultimately, Philip has come out of this stronger, whilst Henry’s reputation is left in tatters-something that will only serve to worsen his standing amongst his own lords.
In the Netherlands, Carlos, Prince of Asturias, having won a victory against the Prince of Conde, reluctantly releases the man on his father’s orders, and allows the man and the battered remains of his army to leave the Netherlands. He then makes his way to Brussels, bringing with him both the Count of Egmont and the Count of Horn, to in his own words ‘hammer out a settlement.’ Whether that is his true intention or not is never known, for Carlos, is soon summoned back from Brussels by his father, returning at the end of the year, disgruntled, and more determined than ever to do something about his father. In the Netherlands, Egmont and Horn come to an uneasy truce, and agree to work with Margaret of Parma on the Council of State, whilst in a rare moment of sense, Philip agrees to lessen the inquisition-probably the influence of his new wife-.
In England, word of the treaty between Spain and France is treated with caution, the regents had done well to keep the kingdom out of the war, but they are always aware of the fact that Calais could always fall to hungry eyes. Thankfully, with France dealt with, Philip seems to be in a more negotiable mood, and agrees to a joint venture in exploring some more of the New World, where they will go at the time of the Treaty of Westminster is not certain, but there is definitely a venture in the distance. Meanwhile, within England itself, there are calls for a push to completely bring the Church back to Rome from the north, led by Charles Neville, 6th Earl of Westmoreland as well as Thomas Percy, Earl of Northumberland, the Nevilles and Percys putting aside their differences for the time being to push for greater integration. Whilst some of the regents led by Norfolk support this, others such as Rutland are aware of the potential consequences such a move could have, with the crown so recently out of debt, the regents decide against this, but instead decide to seek a more middle ground settlement regarding the Church, the crown and Rome. It helps that Ireland is currently peaceful, and talks begin in earnest with most of nobility of the land moving forward to discuss such a thing.
VVD0D95
Banned
1570
The discussion of the Great Matter continues in England, with the northern nobility largely in favour of pushing for greater integration with the church, whilst the southern lords look upon it as an infringement of their traditional rights and privileges as Englishmen, claiming that any move to become closer to the church would simply be another way for the Spanish to increase their influence. Eventually, the matter ends with the Treaty of Westminster, in which the regents promise to uphold English rights and privileges within the Church, and to ‘vigorously oppose’ any attempt by Rome to impede on this. Reginald Pole, Archbishop of Canterbury has been noted as saying of the Treaty ‘All this talking and for what? A mere reassurance of some fools’ pride.’ With the Great Matter out of the way, there are three other significant events in the year. The first, but by no means most important-unless you are a fan of bells- is the founding of the Whitechapel Bell Foundry, a place that will in time become legendary the world over for its bells. The second is the official opening of the Royal Exchange by the now fourteen-year-old King Philip I. Philip, slowly approaching his majority, is the perfect picture of a monarch, strong, tall, handsome, thankfully lacking the Habsburg jaw! He also seems to have some relative smarts about, him and is very vocal about potential marriage partners. Prospective brides include Victoria of France, youngest child of King Henry II, Elisabeth of Austria, the King’s cousin and also a former prospective bride of Charles, Dauphin of France. The discussion will rage on for most of the year, but eventually, Philip will decide that in order to ensure that Calais is safe, a marriage to a French bride is the best bet, and so, the year ends with King Philip I of England, formally betrothed to Victoria of France.
The Treaty of Stettin formally ends the Northern Seven Years war between Denmark and Sweden. The treaty, which is instigated by Holy Roman Emperor Maximillian II, essentially restored the status quo as it had been before the war. King Eric, having done much harrumphing and posturing around the war, is left with egg on his face, and a bitter taste in his mouth. Though, having two sons in his heir Eric, and the spare Gustav, does much to reassure him that perhaps he is not so weak as first thought. His brother John still rots in prison and his youngest brother Carl remains silent.
With aid from English men, the last Inca stronghold in the New World is captured and turned into a colonial outpost. Indeed, as per the terms of the Treaty of Westminster, the former Inca stronghold, becomes England’s first proper colony in the New World, the former capital of this stronghold Vilcabamba, is renamed Philipstown after the English King, and those soldiers who were part of the conquest begin settling down under the governorship of one John Dee, a man entrusted by the Duke of Norfolk for this exact purpose. In time the settlement of Philipstown will grow to become a great piece of pride for the English, as well as a source of contention with other colonial powers.
The fallout from Emperor Hemchandra’s sack of Gujarat is felt across the empire, with many looking at the carnage caused there, and wondering to themselves, what changed, what made the emperor so angry and desperate enough to do something like that. Indeed, so strong is the shock and potential outrage at such actions that the governors of Bengal and Odisha begin meeting to discuss potentially seceding from the Empire, something they never get round to doing because a few days after their meeting they turn up dead, and are replaced by new governors. Something that does create a large sense of panic, big enough for the Nayaks to begin considering their own intentions regarding the empire.
The discussion of the Great Matter continues in England, with the northern nobility largely in favour of pushing for greater integration with the church, whilst the southern lords look upon it as an infringement of their traditional rights and privileges as Englishmen, claiming that any move to become closer to the church would simply be another way for the Spanish to increase their influence. Eventually, the matter ends with the Treaty of Westminster, in which the regents promise to uphold English rights and privileges within the Church, and to ‘vigorously oppose’ any attempt by Rome to impede on this. Reginald Pole, Archbishop of Canterbury has been noted as saying of the Treaty ‘All this talking and for what? A mere reassurance of some fools’ pride.’ With the Great Matter out of the way, there are three other significant events in the year. The first, but by no means most important-unless you are a fan of bells- is the founding of the Whitechapel Bell Foundry, a place that will in time become legendary the world over for its bells. The second is the official opening of the Royal Exchange by the now fourteen-year-old King Philip I. Philip, slowly approaching his majority, is the perfect picture of a monarch, strong, tall, handsome, thankfully lacking the Habsburg jaw! He also seems to have some relative smarts about, him and is very vocal about potential marriage partners. Prospective brides include Victoria of France, youngest child of King Henry II, Elisabeth of Austria, the King’s cousin and also a former prospective bride of Charles, Dauphin of France. The discussion will rage on for most of the year, but eventually, Philip will decide that in order to ensure that Calais is safe, a marriage to a French bride is the best bet, and so, the year ends with King Philip I of England, formally betrothed to Victoria of France.
The Treaty of Stettin formally ends the Northern Seven Years war between Denmark and Sweden. The treaty, which is instigated by Holy Roman Emperor Maximillian II, essentially restored the status quo as it had been before the war. King Eric, having done much harrumphing and posturing around the war, is left with egg on his face, and a bitter taste in his mouth. Though, having two sons in his heir Eric, and the spare Gustav, does much to reassure him that perhaps he is not so weak as first thought. His brother John still rots in prison and his youngest brother Carl remains silent.
With aid from English men, the last Inca stronghold in the New World is captured and turned into a colonial outpost. Indeed, as per the terms of the Treaty of Westminster, the former Inca stronghold, becomes England’s first proper colony in the New World, the former capital of this stronghold Vilcabamba, is renamed Philipstown after the English King, and those soldiers who were part of the conquest begin settling down under the governorship of one John Dee, a man entrusted by the Duke of Norfolk for this exact purpose. In time the settlement of Philipstown will grow to become a great piece of pride for the English, as well as a source of contention with other colonial powers.
The fallout from Emperor Hemchandra’s sack of Gujarat is felt across the empire, with many looking at the carnage caused there, and wondering to themselves, what changed, what made the emperor so angry and desperate enough to do something like that. Indeed, so strong is the shock and potential outrage at such actions that the governors of Bengal and Odisha begin meeting to discuss potentially seceding from the Empire, something they never get round to doing because a few days after their meeting they turn up dead, and are replaced by new governors. Something that does create a large sense of panic, big enough for the Nayaks to begin considering their own intentions regarding the empire.
Just as VVD0D95 said, the military leaders of the Vijayanagara Empire. Essentially generals who were too interested in political matters and to a great degree influenced the decision making in the Empire.
VVD0D95
Banned
1571
Rebellion in the empire as the Governors of Bengal and Odisha raise their flags against the emperor, using the sacking and desecration of Gujarat as their reasoning. Both governors thought that they would receive more support from other governors/ rulers, however, this thought proves to be short lived. The emperor takes his time to amass a force of men, and when he does eventually march from the capital, he gathers more and more men. The governor of Odisha is slain in battle, his allies slain alongside their families, new men are put in charge, including an Afghan general known to history as Nader. Bengal proves to be a more difficult issue. With its Muslim population, the governor of Bengal has managed to use the massacres in Gujarat to stir up mass opposition to the emperor, and with the Afghan soldiers under the emperor’s command feeling reluctant to attack their fellow Muslims, the emperor is faced with a quandary, does he attack and slaughter all, or does he let it be. Eventually, he decides to treat with the Governor, who demands semi independence, and the right to decide his own taxes. The emperor rejects this battle begins, ending with the Governor’s death alongside a general massacre. The after effects will leave Bengal amongst Gujarat as a desert wasteland for many years to come. The emperor’s reputation will continue to grow darker.
The main event within Europe during this year is the Holy League’s war against the Ottomans. A Christian coalition created to aid Venice against the Ottoman encroachment on their gains in Cyprus, the league had gained the blessing of Pope Pius V, and as such had set sail first to Naples, where John of Austria, was given overall command of the league’s forces. After much delay, the Holy League’s forces arrived at their destination where the now famous Battle of Lepanto was fought, resulting in a crushing defeat for the Ottomans, and a successful victory for the Holy League. Not satisfied with victory on the seas, John of Austria pushed for the Holy League to focus on driving out all Ottoman presence within Cyprus, something that with a lot of effort and some luck was achieved by year’s end, though John of Austria would spend the last days of the year in constant agony due to a wound taken during the storming of the island.
King Philip of England, determined to exercise more authority sends the Duke of Norfolk to Paris, whereby it is agreed that Philip shall marry Victoria of France many years earlier than intended. Indeed, by year’s end the King will be married and for the first time since Margaret of Anjou, England will have a French Queen. In England, the new Queen is met with some hostility, there are those who think that the marriage will ruin their chances of gaining more land in the New World, whilst there are others who believe the marriage will keep Spanish influence out of England, and allow them to maintain their own independence. Apart from his marriage, King Philip also begins getting involved in the more day to day affairs of the realm, including things such as taxation, crown income and the management of crown lands.
Rebellion in the empire as the Governors of Bengal and Odisha raise their flags against the emperor, using the sacking and desecration of Gujarat as their reasoning. Both governors thought that they would receive more support from other governors/ rulers, however, this thought proves to be short lived. The emperor takes his time to amass a force of men, and when he does eventually march from the capital, he gathers more and more men. The governor of Odisha is slain in battle, his allies slain alongside their families, new men are put in charge, including an Afghan general known to history as Nader. Bengal proves to be a more difficult issue. With its Muslim population, the governor of Bengal has managed to use the massacres in Gujarat to stir up mass opposition to the emperor, and with the Afghan soldiers under the emperor’s command feeling reluctant to attack their fellow Muslims, the emperor is faced with a quandary, does he attack and slaughter all, or does he let it be. Eventually, he decides to treat with the Governor, who demands semi independence, and the right to decide his own taxes. The emperor rejects this battle begins, ending with the Governor’s death alongside a general massacre. The after effects will leave Bengal amongst Gujarat as a desert wasteland for many years to come. The emperor’s reputation will continue to grow darker.
The main event within Europe during this year is the Holy League’s war against the Ottomans. A Christian coalition created to aid Venice against the Ottoman encroachment on their gains in Cyprus, the league had gained the blessing of Pope Pius V, and as such had set sail first to Naples, where John of Austria, was given overall command of the league’s forces. After much delay, the Holy League’s forces arrived at their destination where the now famous Battle of Lepanto was fought, resulting in a crushing defeat for the Ottomans, and a successful victory for the Holy League. Not satisfied with victory on the seas, John of Austria pushed for the Holy League to focus on driving out all Ottoman presence within Cyprus, something that with a lot of effort and some luck was achieved by year’s end, though John of Austria would spend the last days of the year in constant agony due to a wound taken during the storming of the island.
King Philip of England, determined to exercise more authority sends the Duke of Norfolk to Paris, whereby it is agreed that Philip shall marry Victoria of France many years earlier than intended. Indeed, by year’s end the King will be married and for the first time since Margaret of Anjou, England will have a French Queen. In England, the new Queen is met with some hostility, there are those who think that the marriage will ruin their chances of gaining more land in the New World, whilst there are others who believe the marriage will keep Spanish influence out of England, and allow them to maintain their own independence. Apart from his marriage, King Philip also begins getting involved in the more day to day affairs of the realm, including things such as taxation, crown income and the management of crown lands.