The spirit of April 9th - a different occuption of Denmark in World War II

The spirit of April 9th

In Danish politics, a common phrase in the post war years is "Never again an April 9th" (Aldrig igen en 9. April), which - among other things - was used a rally cry to join NATO, join various conflicts (Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan etc) and provide training to the Baltic militaries - the point being that Denmark as a nation should never again put itself in such a position as it did on April 9th 1940, when it was invaded by a superior foreign power, and the only real option is to stand down.

Now, what if… the prelude to the invasion had been different and the Danish military had actually fought against the invasion? Perhaps then the phrase would be "never forget the spirit of April 9th"?

The PoD here comes in September 1939. OTL, the Danish prime minister appointed a national unity cabinet with representation from the different parties as a response to the outbreak of world war II. ITTL, a unity cabinet is still appointed, but with a couple of noticeable differences.

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April 8th 1940, Copenhagen, Denmark

It was a warm spring evening in Copehagen as the sun was setting. When spring finally brought warm weather to Copenhagen, most of the citizens viewed this as the perfect excuse to sit down and have a beer with their friends and neighbors, and today was no exception. Of course, at some of the more upscale cafes, the main topic was the war.

But what a strange war it had been. After the initial declaration of war and the invasion of Poland, there had no fighting on the ground. A limited war on the high seas and in the air had followed. A British bomber had hit the coastal town of Esbjerg and killed a women, but surely that had been a mistake, and the British ambassador had gone to great lengths to apologize for this incident. The main concern was on the effect on the merchant fleet and if further rationing was needed.

However, in the parliament building of Christiansborg, a small room was densely packed with people, who had a much greater concern than deciding on further rationing. At the center of it in a large wooden chair sat old Thorvald Stauning, the prime minister. With 66 years of age, he was by far the oldest person in the room, but he was also the loudest, clearly still showing that boyish charisma that had earned him the title “Father of the nation” and transformed the social democratic party from a party for the working class to a party that spoke to all parts of the country coming close to gaining an absolute majority in parliament.

Standing next to him was Generalløjtnant William Prior, the commander of the army, who almost seemed to be standing at attention. In a corner a table had been placed, seemingly at random and the foreign minister, Peter Munch, who was also the leader of the social-liberal party, the junior partner in government, was engaged in heated whispers with the minister of the interior, Alsing Andersen, who seemed bloated and almost overwhelmed by the dry heat in the room.

The two last men to enter the room by one of the many doors, was Oluf Krag, the leader of the liberal party fraction in the parliament, and John Christmas-Møller, the leader of the conservative party, who exchanged worried looks with each other.

In the end, it was John, who broke the silence. “Hr. Stauning, I am sure, no, in fact, I am quite positive that you did not summon the leaders of the four main parties in the cabinet this fine evening in order to have a drink and exchange pleasantries.”

Stauning tried to smile, but he spoke with a tired voice, that none of the other had ever heard him use before: “No, Mr. Christmas-Møller, you are correct. If I had, for one I would have made sure that there was schnaps standing ready on the table.” It was a joke, but no one laughed. The prime minister looked up at the general next to him, “General Prior, will you tell these gentlemen what you have just told me.”

“Of course, Hr. Statsminister”, the General replied, his eyes fixated on the two newcomers, “Gentlemen, Sir, German troop movement are underway to strike a target in Scandinavia. Reliable intelligence has confirmed that a German infantry division and a number of armored brigades are massing directly south of our border and we have several sightings of German warships leaving their harbors. This supports the report from our military attachee in the Netherlands, which we received a week ago, to the effect that an operation in Scandinavia will commence tomorrow.”

Silence covered the room again, interrupted only by the nervous coughing of Alsing. It was Peter Munch, who was next to speak. “General Prior, when you say ‘a target in Scandinavia’ – would you perhaps care to be more precise on that matter?”

Prior turned his head slightly towards the left and slowly said “Yes, I would, Sir, but unfortunately I can’t,” and was turning his head back to look forward, as Stauning interrupted him with a slight slap on his leg. “What the foreign minister means, General Prior, is if you could state the possible scenarios.”

“Yes Sir, Hr. Statsminister, there are five scenarios of which we consider two to be likely and three to be unlikely. The unlikely ones, which I give no further detail to, is an invasion of Denmark, Sweden and Norway in combination and a sole invasion of Sweden and Denmark, respectively. The first likely scenario is an invasion of Norway, possibly with the use of the north of Jutland as a transit base. The second likely scenario is an invasion of Denmark and Norway. The strategic reasoning behind these two scenarios is more or less identical: the German are depended on the iron ore from Sweden, which is shipped via the Norwegian port of Narvik and they fear that the UK and France will violate the neutrality of Norway.”

Oluf Krag put both his arms both out: “So, basically, what you are saying is that German troops are coming, but we don’t know if they are staying.” The foreign minister, Peter Munch, shock his head: “But our treaty of non-aggression with Herr Hitler…”, “…is not worth the damn crap piece of paper it is printed on,” countered John Christmas-Møller, “It was a pointless and naïve notion to begin with, and if only you had listened to me, when I asked to order a full mobilization a week ago, then…”, “then the German would be massing two infantry divisions instead of one,” replied Peter Munch with an ice-stare.

The foreign minister leaned forward: “You misunderstand me, Hr. Chistmas-Møller, if you ever think that I like it one bit, but these are the facts: the German will always have the resource to best us in war. Always. Twice our country has paid a high price in blood to learn this, and that was not even against a Germany of the size and ferocity, which we face now. When we received the news of a possible attack, I gave my support to a partial mobilization, but the Germans have called our bluff. Would you have us pay that price a third time to satisfy your folly?”

Christmas-Møller took a step forward. “And you, Sir, misunderstand me dearly if you believe that I do not know this in every detail. My reasoning for maintaining the army was never to win a war, but to avoid one by making it too costly for the Germans to win over us.” Munch kept a calm face: “Well, Hr. Christmas-Møller, that strategy worked just wonderful for Finland, wouldn’t you agree?”

“Gentlemen,” Stauning slapped his hand down on the armchair, “this is little or no point in wasting time on considering what we should or should not have done a year ago. A time of decision has come upon us, where we are called to make a choice that will potentially shape the course of this country for years to come. I have called you there tonight, because I consider this decision to be so important, that I shouldn’t nor couldn’t make it alone. Our response to this matter requires nothing less than national unity, and as it may be, we have limited time to achieve this.”

This caused the two men to both take a step back, and Stauning continued: “Hr. Krag, what is your opinion?” The leader of the liberal party folded his hands: “Well, it is a delicate situation, and I believe we should avoid steps that would further provoke the Germans. We should reminder ourselves that our border with Germany is more or less the only one, where the National Socialists in Germany have yet to clamor for a return to the old borders before the Great War. I – for one – hope very much to see it remain so.”

A strong cough from Alsing Andersen made the others look at him. “Well, erhm.. sorry, but…”, he tried, “erhm, yes, I think we, erhm, bear in mind, that this, well, this war could, erhm, also be won by, well, I mean, the Germans might be victorious, and erhm…”

“Nonsense,” said Christmas-Møller with a stern stare at Alsing, “Germany couldn’t prevail against France and Great Britain in the Great War and they won’t prevail in this, and when it is over, the allies will not look kindly on us if we gave up without a fight, well, we could might as well say goodbye to our merchant fleet. I for one say we remind the Germans, that Denmark is a country, not a road towards the rest of Scandinavia. In the best case, this will make your socialist friends back down, and in the worst case, we can claim afterwards that we fought as well as we could. General Prior, do you agree with this assessment?”

The general looked down at Stauning, “Do you wish me to answer this, Hr. statsminister?” and following a nod, he continued: “As I was instructed a week ago, I have taken all steps shy of a full mobilization. All leave has been cancelled, ships have been sent to the seas and reserve units have been called up, on the pretext of training. All units have been moved into defensive positions at the border and other critical functions. Our strength stands at some 25.000 men. Given that we have no more than 7 or 8 hours before the assault starts, these are the forces that will face the initial assault. In southern Jutland, we have three regiments of each a thousand men. They are to fight a delaying battle and inflict casualties on the enemy. Copenhagen, however, is a much different matter. Given the coastal fortifications and our navy, we should be able to hold the city as well as Zealand against the initial attack and quite possibly indefinitely, if we receive proper support from the UK and France. While this is not a decision for me to make, then as a soldier, I would prefer to fight.”

Stauning looked to the foreign minister, “Hr. Munch, can such agreements with UK and France be made?” Peter Munch shrugged, “Well, yes, we could ally with the Brits and the French, and we could fight their war but at what cost? Should German bombers make another Warsaw out of Copenhagen? Our embassy there reported over 40.000 dead and half the city burned to the ground by the German Luftwaffe. It is true, that we can fight. But in the end, we have to ask ourselves: What is the use of it all?”

Munch turned to the prime minister, “Hr. Statsminister, I urge you instead to consider a different option than a futile fight, an option which is much more favorable: please allow me to contact the German ambassador Von Renthe-Fink and suggest an accommodation, yes, a treaty if you will. The German are – and so our general here tells us – not interested in fighting us. We are simply in the way. Let’s allow them to pass and even to stay, and why would they not allow us to keep our independence?”

“Well,” said Oluf Krag, “I can’t say that I disagree with that, but I would be worried if his majesty, Kong Christian X. would approve of us making such a deal.” “Then,” Munch countered, “as the responsible men of the realm, we shall make one without him; or if you worry about public opinion, perhaps keep it a secret, or if you, as Hr. Christmas-Møller here, worry about the opinion of the UK and France, let’s have our army in the south fight a little, I see no reason for the Germans not to understand such a position.”

“and erhm, well,” tried an ever more sweating Alsing Andersen, “if we find, erhm, in the end, that, well, the Germans and their Russian allies, they, you know, win, then, well, such a treaty would, say, not be the worst situation, well, in fact, erhm, it might be the best.”

John Christmas-Møller put his hand on his head and closed his eyes, “I am not sure, I even want to hear more of this. We are seriously considering offering an invading and murderous enemy a treaty of alliance? The general has spoken quite clearly: we can hold the capital and this should be our priority. I am sure that the king will approve of nothing less.”

Munch stared at him: “Indeed, Hr. Christmas-Møller, the general spoke quite clearly: if proper support happens, we might be able to hold but a single city in the entire kingdom. If. And as Hr. Andersen has pointed out in his own way, we do at the present point not know which side of this conflict will emerge victorious. It should be clear to any reasonable man that a treaty with the Germans is the least unfavorable way for us to go.”

Stauning stroked his long white beard, and spoke again, but this time with a calm and determined voice: “All my life, I have had but one desire: to better the average man. Thru the grace of fate, I have been granted the opportunity to move our nation into a new age of wondrous promises and golden opportunities, and I am humbled by this and all that, which we have, all of us together, achieved over the past decades. Where other nations have stumbled on internal differences, we have held together, and this has been our strength. However, now a plague of war has been forced upon us and all of Europe, and I fear that we stand to lose all that we have gained, if we do not stand united again. On this, we should all agree.”

Stauning smiled at Munch and Christmas-Møller. “General Prior, will you help an old man up, for Gentlemen, I believe we are ready to make a decision.”
 
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So government instead of turning a blind eye to invasion and occupation pretending it never happened is going to enter treaty?
What happened to the steadfast will to preserve democracy and shield the population from the horrors of war and totalitarian rule? Of course even the Socialdemocrats thought Nazism and Fascism the lesser evil compared to Soviet Communism but!!!

If you had Scavenius enter this may have been the result but without him I must doubt it. According to Dansk Udenrigspolitiks Historie bind 4 1914-1945 Overleveren Scavenius' ideas on accomodation with Nazi-Germany were abhorrent when he was consulted and asked run the foreign office.
 
"the use of it all"- April 8th 1940, late evening, Copenhagen

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By nature the foreign minister of Denmark, Peter Munch was a very introvert man, and not one who would easily connect with other people in a social manner. He always insisted using the most formal forms of address, and even with friends he didn't use first-names. In fact, most people simply knew him as P. Munch, and the joke around the foreign ministry was that the first name was one of the best kept state secrets in Denmark.

Perhaps for this reason, it was impossible for his aides to see that he was enraged as he left the Danish parliament building of Christiansborg that evening. In fact, he had never been so mad in his entire life and was bombarding himself with question. Had Stauning, his cloest friend and political ally, gone completely insane? What on earth had possessed the old man to discard two decades of hard work in a single instance and listen to that foolish conversative hothead and that trigger-happy army figure? Did they not see how many Danes would fight for no use at all, how many children would now grow up without a father?

The latter was something of a personal issue for Peter Munch. He had himself grown up without a father in a small provincial town, althought this had mainly been the result of his father already being married to a different women. His mother had been quite poor, and from an early age he worked to help out. He quickly showed great skill in school, and although this placed a great strain on their finances, his mother had always insisted on a strong education for him.

Peter Munch had graduated with a first-class degree in history in 1895, and achieved a doctoral degree in 1900, from the University of Copenhagen. His economic situation had forced him to work during his studies, but his work ethic was, however, second to none, and his output in terms of books, pamphlets, articles both academic and for newspapers had been immense. It was the income from his vast production of textbooks and other academic works finally lifted him out of poverty, and allowed him to pursue a political career.

To many of his subordinates in the foreign office, who came from the established families of Copenhagen, he was a newcomer with a funny dialect, and he responded in kind by instituting a zero tolerance for incompetence. Thus he was quickly able that evening to instruct two of his aides, vetted for their competence, on the information, they were to pass to the British and French embasssies. The visit to the German ambassador, however, he would handle himself. With his typical diligence, notes were also quickly dispatched to the other Scandinavian countries.

During his studies, Peter Munch had been deeply influenced by the thinking of Viggo Hørup, a former Danish prime minister, who had been deeply shaken by the ease of the German victory in the Second War of Schleswig. For Munch, it was not only a political position, but an academic fact that a territorial defence of Denmark was impossible, and illusions about this downright dangerous. All Denmark could hope for would be to maintain good relations with the great powers, Germany, first and foremost among them, and to avoid confrontation at all cost, and he had manage to stamp them quite firmly on Danish Foreign Policy, even serving personally as the country’s representative to the League of Nations since its founding, where he had argued for a policy of unilateral disarmament.

It had been more than 30 years since Munch had been asked to assume the position of a minister, first as Minister of the Interior, then as Minister of Defense during World War I. Many, including Kong Christian X, considered Munch to be too soft on defense to hold this position during a time of crisis. But Munch stayed put, and loyally, indeed ironically, oversaw the largest peacetime mobilization in Danish history, and now he, even more ironical, was part of a government that had decided to fight against an invasion with little or few odds for victory. Still, he had one last ace up his sleeve. At the end of that terrible meeting, Stauning, had agreed, that if he could reach an accommodation with the Germans that respected the neutrality of Denmark, this would be a better option, even if this meant giving them movement right thru Jutland and the territorial water.

It was with this last hope of peace, that he – close to midnight on April 8th – stood before the German embassy in Copenhagen. There, he was well received by the German ambassador to Denmark, Cecil von Renthe-Fink, and while he was being seated, Peter Munch thought about what he knew about the German ambassador. Von Renthe-Fink came from a noble family, and his father had been a Prussian general, while he was a German patriot, his recent membership of the Nazi party seemed more designed to help his career. A laywer by training, he had been a career diplomat since 1913, serving first in the International Elbe Commission, which had been forced upon Germany in order to guarantee the new state of Czechoslovakia a water way to the high seas. He had not served in the army forces himself, but his younger brother had, meeting an untimely death in the last years of the Great War. These two items, thought Munch, were key to gaining an understanding with him.

As Munch sat at the table, he did not miss the important detail, that the German embassy was well lit and fully staffed, even thought it had just passed midnight. No need to poke around, he thought, and looked at the German ambassador: “You know why I am here, Herr Botschafer.” Munch chose to speak in German, even though he knew the ambassador was quite capable of speaking in Danish or English and French for that matter.

Cecil von Renthe-Fink nodded, “yes, Herr Munch, I do,” and looked at his watch, “I have been instructed to meet with you in the morning, but I suppose that now you are here, this might be as good an occasion as any.” He opened an envelope and quickly skimmed it. “As we speak, the forces of the German Reich are entering the Kingdom of Denmark. We do so of no ill will towards neither the Danish King nor the Danish people, but out of a hope to protect them against British and French aggression. We therefore urge you to instruct the Danish forces to stand down and for your government to collaborate with our armed forces. If you do so, we will guarantee the independence and territory of Denmark.”

Munch nodded silently. “We welcome any protection against aggression; however, it is the decision of our government that any attempt to enter Danish territory by any party will be met in force, be they German or British.” “Well,” von Renthe-Fink replied with a look that seemed somewhat perplexed, “these are words that I am somewhat surprised to hear from you, as you are no doubt aware that resistance from your army will force us to bomb where they reside, and there is a large garrisson in Copenhagen.”

Munch nodded again. “Yes, I am aware of this, but as are you aware that in such case, many German soldiers will also lose their lives, and do you really want to force humiliating terms on us? I ask this not because I expect you to answer, but because I believe that, perhaps there is a third way, a way in which we agree not to fight, and yet you can – as you say – protect us from aggression.”
 
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reply to artic warrior

Thanks for your comments :)

With the exeception of 6 parliament members (out of 148) for the Danish communist and the Danish nazi party and a few outliers, all leading members of Danish society found facism, nazism and communism equally abhorent. A socialdemocratic pamplet call them a "plague over Europe" in 1936 and the other parties called them worse things.

The objective of all major parties and leaders was to perserve Denmark as a stable society. The disagreement was over how to best to achieve this.

The official story in the Danish history books is that the Stauning government and the leaders that followed managed, sometimes by sheer luck, to walk a fine line between accommendating both the nazis and the allies and perserving a stable society.

Without giving away any further "hints", this TL is about stepping of that line with the best intensions in mind.;)
 
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Yes, the main impact of a changed occuption of Denmark is on ... well, Denmark.

I'll try to build in some butterflies here and there, but this is a "regional" rather than "worldwide" story :cool:
 
Fortuna Fortes Juvat 1/2 - April 9th, just after midnight, Copenhagen

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General Prior was a man with a mission, when he left the meeting in Christiansborg. Prime Minister Stauning had agreed that a defense should be organized, if for no other purpose than to buy the foreign minister leverage in his ongoing negotiations.

The final orders were going out. He firmly expected to lose contact with most of his units, once hostilities began, save those in the Copenhagen area, but he trusted in the ability of the regional commanders to improvise and adapt to the situations.

At 63, the the major general was a tall, slender man with a deep-lined face and penetrating eyes, who many guessed to be much younger, perhaps due to his modest manners. In many ways, he could not believe what was happening. It had been only 5 months since he had assumed command of the Danish armed forces, and here he was, commanding the first military engagement in almost a century.

As boy he had helped out in his father’s wholesale merchant company, and if that had taught him anything, it was to always maintain a steady and sober attitude to whatever issues came up and to always look at the economics of any action. He had limited forces at his disposal, some 13 regiments organized into two divisions, a little under 50 warships, and only some 60 fighter planes, which had been dispersed across the countryside.

A general defense plan had been drawn up and implemented. Essentially, the orders that had gone out the past week were: “Go out, take up your positions and if you see anything not flying the Dannebrog flag, shoot it.” What would probably the final communication coming from the headquarters to the forces in Jutland and elsewhere were: “The attack is coming tomorrow, fight as best you can.”
 
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Fortuna Fortes Juvat 2/2 - 9th April 1940, 1:00, OKW

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Surveying the incoming reports behind his desk, Nikolaus von Falkenhorst was trying very hard to avoid shouting out loud: “I told you so.” He lapsed back to the strange morning back in February, where he had summoned by Hitler and told that he was to plan an invasion of Norway, and had been given until 5 p.m. the same day to come up with a basic plan. With no time to consult military charts or maps, he had simply picked up a Baedeker tourist guidebook of Norway at a stationery store on his way to his hotel room, where he planned the operation from maps he found in that book.

The plan had been promptly approved by Hitler, with two exceptions. Firstly, all he had ever needed for the invasion of Norway were the airfield in northern Jutland, and his first plan had assumed that these could be obtained by diplomatic means. Secondly, he had asked for a unified command, but had gotten only command of the ground forces with Saalwächter commanding the navy and Geißler the Luftwaffe.

Now, more or less by accident, he was learning that the Danish foreign minister was sitting in the German embassy in Copenhagen, and offering not only use of the required airfields, but a lot more, but because of a lack of a unified command, he was unable to respond in any meaningful way. The airforce and the navy had effectively already committed themselves, and his only options seemed to whether to launch the ground at the designated hours or not.

But in the end, von Falkenhorst decided to bite his tongue. It had always been a priority for him to fit in, so much that he had even changed his family name from the old noble Silesian Jastrzębie to the more German Falkenhorst and speaking out of turn was not on the agenda of a good Prussian officier like him. During his first command in Finland during the Great War, he had seen plenty of situations much more painful than this. His plan was in place, now for the execution.
 

elkarlo

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Makes sense to me. As bad as Germany was, the British and french were throwing all their allies under the bus.they did nothing to relieve Poland. So why believe that they would help Denmark?
 

katchen

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Indeed. If the British and French had any intention of helping Denmark, there would be British and French troops IN Denmark (or at least the offer to have them there would have been made). But from the British and French----nothing. Not even airplanes to fly the government to Rejkavik or Gothaab to set up a government in exile in a wartime capital. Or ships. The Royal Navy in the Lolland belt could make Zealand impregnable--and keep the sea landes open to strike at Hilter's North to boot. besides Sjaelland, the British could save Lolland, Langeland, Bornholm, Samso, Anholt, Laeso, even Fyn (if the British and Danes would make a stand at the unfortunately named town of Middlefart), and Thys and Vendyssel, meanwhile evacuating all danish civilians inclined to go to Island or Greenland and carry on resistance from there via Norway. Guess what! There's no sign of them. For all their bluster, the British are acting as if they are weighing the idea of a separate peace with Hitler themselves. Or so it appears from CopenhagenThe most the Danes can expect is occupation of Iceland and Greenland and the Faeroes so that THEY don't fall under the Nazi boot. Oh yes, and what they'll finally get is Allied agreement not to bomb targets in Denmark if the Danish underground can destroy them on the ground by a certain date.OTL. Targets that employ Danes. OK, we'll give you guys on chance to blow up this factory while no one is working in it to save your own people's lives> Otherwise we bomb while your people are working in it and they die. How's that?
 
I feel it's simplistic...

...Better examine British and French commitments at the time and the vacillations of appeasers such as Chamberlain and Halifax. The RAF was weak and the Royal Navy moving onto a wartime footing across the Empire. Poland was out of reach and Chamberlain and Daladier had dumped the Czechs. The Danish position was difficult and weakened by a lack of alliances - which IOTL changed only with the formation of NATO.

Even in my HMS Heligoland timeline, I saw no realistic way for the Danes to survive an invasion - they only are made to go on the offensive in WW1 (the Great War) after the Kaiserreich is critically weakened. WW2 saw Germany march through Denmark at speed. But I fear that a 'negotiated peace' will still end in the same eventual occupation by Germany as occurred IOTL.:(
 

katchen

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Frankly, the Swedes are lucky that the Germans were willing to accept their neutality and not occupy them too. An occupied Sweden would have given Germany an unimpeded launch pad to take Leningrad (St. PetersburgO) in the early hours of Babarossa and drive on Moscowk--and Vladimir and Yaroslavl and Gorki (Nozhni-Novgorod from there while meeting the drive from Poland at Riga and Dvinsk. Had the Germans gone that route, they would have ultimately lost the war, but they would have taken Moscow before winter. The distance from Leningrad is shorter. The Russians might have come up short for troops in the Central Ukraine, thoughDoubtful they would have gone past Kharkiv or the Crimea until 1942. The shortfall would become apparent somewhere, while Stalin fought back from Kuybyshev (Samara), which was where he planned to move the capital if Moscow fell. But I digress.
 

elkarlo

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Indeed. If the British and French had any intention of helping Denmark, there would be British and French troops IN Denmark (or at least the offer to have them there would have been made). But from the British and French----nothing. Not even airplanes to fly the government to Rejkavik or Gothaab to set up a government in exile in a wartime capital. Or ships. The Royal Navy in the Lolland belt could make Zealand impregnable--and keep the sea landes open to strike at Hilter's North to boot. besides Sjaelland, the British could save Lolland, Langeland, Bornholm, Samso, Anholt, Laeso, even Fyn (if the British and Danes would make a stand at the unfortunately named town of Middlefart), and Thys and Vendyssel, meanwhile evacuating all danish civilians inclined to go to Island or Greenland and carry on resistance from there via Norway. Guess what! There's no sign of them. For all their bluster, the British are acting as if they are weighing the idea of a separate peace with Hitler themselves. Or so it appears from CopenhagenThe most the Danes can expect is occupation of Iceland and Greenland and the Faeroes so that THEY don't fall under the Nazi boot. Oh yes, and what they'll finally get is Allied agreement not to bomb targets in Denmark if the Danish underground can destroy them on the ground by a certain date.OTL. Targets that employ Danes. OK, we'll give you guys on chance to blow up this factory while no one is working in it to save your own people's lives> Otherwise we bomb while your people are working in it and they die. How's that?


Honestly, if I were a neutral I would think that the Allies declared war on Germany, just to honor their alliance with Poland. They really did nothing until Norway was invaded, the Allies did as close to nothing as possible.

I think anyone seeing that, would have thought it was all a front, and for the sake of anti-Communism and lack of will, the Western Allies were just going through the motions.
So as you pointed out, Denmark was left holding the bag. Why honor the Allies under those conditions? I'd throw in the towel too.
 
Thanks for your comments :)

With the exeception of 6 parliament members (out of 148) for the Danish communist and the Danish nazi party and a few outliers, all leading members of Danish society found facism, nazism and communism equally abhorent. A socialdemocratic pamplet call them a "plague over Europe" in 1936 and the other parties called them worse things.

The objective of all major parties and leaders was to perserve Denmark as a stable society. The disagreement was over how to best to achieve this.

If it hadn't been for Christmas Møller the Conservatives might well have been our locals leaning on Fascism as they were.


The official story in the Danish history books is that the Stauning government and the leaders that followed managed, sometimes by sheer luck, to walk a fine line between accommendating both the nazis and the allies and perserving a stable society.

Without giving away any further "hints", this TL is about stepping of that line with the best intensions in mind.;)

But it also tell of reining in Scavenius to not be too cooperative towards the Nazi-Germans and some Germans to be quite friendly towards Denmark.
It takes very little to derail the OTL brinkmanship shown. And of course done in the best of mind.
 
Honestly, if I were a neutral I would think that the Allies declared war on Germany, just to honor their alliance with Poland. They really did nothing until Norway was invaded, the Allies did as close to nothing as possible.
How much could Britain have done at that stage, realistically, when only France had a land border with Germany and the French (remembering the levels of losses suffered during offensive operations duirng WW1) insisted on just sitting tight behind their defences instead of invading Germany?
 
Keep going. It is a chapter of Danish history which is not really documented.

I think it has too many "barbs" still to be comfortable.

If you stretch the cooperation any further, you will step on a few landmines:

1) The Jewish evacuation as it happened with all Danes helping in getting the Jewish community away. So very very few got picked up OTL

2) The communists. That is another dark spot

3) The police, which got interned and later shipped off to KZ camps.

Ivan
 

elkarlo

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How much could Britain have done at that stage, realistically, when only France had a land border with Germany and the French (remembering the levels of losses suffered during offensive operations duirng WW1) insisted on just sitting tight behind their defences instead of invading Germany?


you are right. There wasn't much they could do. But to the rest of the world, they let Poland get stomped on, while they were hanging out. Not sure what the answer would be, but some action should have been taken, for political reasons.
 
Keep going. It is a chapter of Danish history which is not really documented.

I think it has too many "barbs" still to be comfortable.

If you stretch the cooperation any further, you will step on a few landmines:

1) The Jewish evacuation as it happened with all Danes helping in getting the Jewish community away. So very very few got picked up OTL

2) The communists. That is another dark spot

3) The police, which got interned and later shipped off to KZ camps.

Ivan

If you cooperate on 1) and 2) then 3) may not happen. ;) :mad:
 
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