The New Order: Last Days of Europe Thread II
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SkyBlue300
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The Libsoc path is written as a propaganda that feels like Sablin is the savior of Russia which somehow got everything right and ignoring fundamental contradictions in his ideology. I neevr bothered playing Sablin due to my personal love for capitalism and liberal democracy. Bukharina is far more realistic in potraying a libsoc Soviet Union.
I'm guessing that's your semi-joking headcanon?
Do you just never play paths you don't align with, or is it more of a "This character is transparent libsoc wish fulfillment and I'm really not the audience" kind of thing?
Uh, sexist?
There is nothing on this area if I remember right. He makes no reforms nor curbe women's rights.
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For some odd reason, I visualize Marcos as being a sort of Pro-OFN Fascist Kleptocrat. A Filipino Matkovsky with Oktan characteristics.
I really find strange when I see people commenting how Rodzaevsk creates a Empire that gonna last a thousand years.
I cannot make a comprehensive post with sources since I dont want to play as him again, but here are the reasons why his Russia pose little treath to the world:
1- terrible foreign policy.
During his campaign the only nation were he built any meaningful diplomatic relation is Japan. Rod sends a letter taunting the USA and break relations with Germany. A Russia led by Rod is a diplomatic minor and if Japan loses the GAW, Russia is alone. Their state is a international pariah also due the treatment of Jews, so we are looking at a potential north Korea, with the only way for them to get AID for their terrible economy being threats to the international community.
2- The worst economy of all majors.
I played all Russian routes except Tabby, and I must say that Rod has the worst Russian economy of all the unifiers, and yes I include the Aryan brotherhood here.
Rod introduces slavery and child labour, he doesn't go further than "elite only education", he pays no care to building a strong Russian economy, ONE OF HIS EVEBTS EVEN SAYS THAT THE ECONOMY IS TURNING INTO A BLOATED MESS LIKE THE NAZI ECONOMY. By the time you finish the gameplay you got a apocalyptical number of maluses, I had secubdary schooling but stil suffered from a -30% research speed. Rod has the same laws as the Aryan brotherhood, but the AB start in western Russia that has more provinces and industry to you end the game with a stronger bloated slave industry that Roddie one. His Russia is something grey, polluted, poor, with a slave economy similar to the domination of drama, children are used to work in factories and as child soldiers while women, banned from the workforce, are used as baby factories by the state.
3- The army.
Roddie-a-zevsky army reaches the end of gameplay at the very best on political interference.
So Rod Russia is by no means a world power. It might has the same power status as Iran at the best, even tough it has a larger population it cannot catch up due it's system.
Assuming Rodda-zovsky unifies Russia with Muscovy, Ukraine and Belarus, the local Slavs gonna find their living conditions to be similar than back in the German occupation, or even worse if Speer took over. Rod is not only evil, but also horribly innefiicient.
I cannot make a comprehensive post with sources since I dont want to play as him again, but here are the reasons why his Russia pose little treath to the world:
1- terrible foreign policy.
During his campaign the only nation were he built any meaningful diplomatic relation is Japan. Rod sends a letter taunting the USA and break relations with Germany. A Russia led by Rod is a diplomatic minor and if Japan loses the GAW, Russia is alone. Their state is a international pariah also due the treatment of Jews, so we are looking at a potential north Korea, with the only way for them to get AID for their terrible economy being threats to the international community.
2- The worst economy of all majors.
I played all Russian routes except Tabby, and I must say that Rod has the worst Russian economy of all the unifiers, and yes I include the Aryan brotherhood here.
Rod introduces slavery and child labour, he doesn't go further than "elite only education", he pays no care to building a strong Russian economy, ONE OF HIS EVEBTS EVEN SAYS THAT THE ECONOMY IS TURNING INTO A BLOATED MESS LIKE THE NAZI ECONOMY. By the time you finish the gameplay you got a apocalyptical number of maluses, I had secubdary schooling but stil suffered from a -30% research speed. Rod has the same laws as the Aryan brotherhood, but the AB start in western Russia that has more provinces and industry to you end the game with a stronger bloated slave industry that Roddie one. His Russia is something grey, polluted, poor, with a slave economy similar to the domination of drama, children are used to work in factories and as child soldiers while women, banned from the workforce, are used as baby factories by the state.
3- The army.
Roddie-a-zevsky army reaches the end of gameplay at the very best on political interference.
So Rod Russia is by no means a world power. It might has the same power status as Iran at the best, even tough it has a larger population it cannot catch up due it's system.
Assuming Rodda-zovsky unifies Russia with Muscovy, Ukraine and Belarus, the local Slavs gonna find their living conditions to be similar than back in the German occupation, or even worse if Speer took over. Rod is not only evil, but also horribly innefiicient.
I don’t think it’s spreading, ir’s just that a lot of us dream TNO related things, and we all related them.
brooklyn99
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Though would Marcos be more of an opportunistic sort who would have already hitched his wagon to the collaborator government and their Japanese benefactors? I wonder if he would be an alternative option/opponent to the more reformist and soft rulership-oriented leader, Quintin Paredes
brooklyn99
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I think this hinges on how at the end of his unification run, Rodzaevsky sobers up and starts getting a lot more clear-headed so it may possibly entail that he would become a more "Fascist Speer" individual and decide to make some amendments to his system. At least when the problems become too pronounced to be ignored.
That was what I thought, but I heard earlier that he was sexist so I thought I missed something.
Is that mentioned in his focus tree or events? I didn't see it.
He's on his 70s and he purged the whole party twice during the campaign, there are not even votes anymore.
I'm pretty sure he missed the bus for reform, his system gonna continue like that into the foreseeable future.
For Marcos, I'm honestly not sure. I mean his father did collaborate. But after his release from a Prison Camp in 1942 thanks to his father's position, he did serve in an Anti-Japanese guerilla group.
So, what sort of communist is Zhukov exactly? I know that he is focused on making communism more accountable to the people, but he also seems to be somewhat of a moderate. He's for change, but not too much. So, how would he react to someone like say, Kaganovich or Suslov versus Sablin or Bukharina?
I am also wondering, if he will have a focus tree, does it mainly focus on his "Bagong Lipunan" policy or no?
Zhukov is extremely flexible to the point of wanting to pass social democratic policies economically, and freely allies with the OFN, even allowing US investment.
Kaganovich would be seen as a stuffy hardliner, Sablin as a wide-eyed idealist.
Bukharina can negotiate with the WRRF, and if she succeeds, they'll actually let her peacefully annex them and take over her troops, basically having her in charge of a new communist state with a resurrected Red Army to boot.
The WRRF know Suslov very well...as that jackass who backstabbed them and split off back in the West Russian War. So Zhukov probably doesn't like him much, but Suslov can also do the negotiations (so can Zhdanov, all Komi communist leaders really), and they can accept, but I'd imagine more reluctantly than Bukharina, who's this fresh new up-and-comer that seems very promising and is the daughter of a man who's likely still respected in the WRRF's ranks despite his disappearance.
The way I see it the best case scenario for Rodzaevsky's Russia (from their own perspective) is that they get very lucky in the war with Germany and end up as an important part of Japan's informal empire. I think that a good TNO2 character arc for Rodzaevsky could be realizing that he's just traded being a German simp for a Japanese simp, actually.
"Prime minister, Russia broke with us."
"That state north of us with widespread slavery and with living conditions I would expect from Uzbekistan? Oh no... Anyway,"
Amur is the second worst ending IMO.
What‘s your guy’s canon unifier?
For me it’s Novosibirs (Shuskin)
My canon unification is a peaceful reunifcation between Boris Yeltsin's Russian Federative Republic and Vasily Shukshin's Siberian Federation (which in turn had a peaceful unification with Mikhail II's Chita).